Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
methanol can also be used as a denaturant, at 5%. ANYWAY... gasoline in small amounts will not ruin a reaction, but it will pollute the BD with unwanted fossil products. and anhydrous alcohol is not difficult to buy in bulk, its just a lot more expensive (and probably - long term - cheaper to make yourself...). Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Jim, Bad news. I don't think it will ever be possible to obtain 99%+ ethanol in the US unless you make it yourself. That is exactly what I planned to work on this past summer. I contacted the National Revenue Center to get info regarding ethanol production in order to make ethyl esters. They were very helpful. It is necessary to obtain a permit. Ethanol used on the premises covered under the permit does not have to be denatured, but any ethanol that leaves the premises must be denatured ex. 2 gal of unleaded gasoline added to 100 gal of ethanol. Because of this, I don't think it will be possible to obtain ethanol from another site. I don't know what effect the 2 gallons of gasoline/100 gal of ethanol would have on the transesterification process. I also suspect that only an E-85 blend would be available. May have to consider making fuel grade ethanol. I got discouraged and put it aside. Tom From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? It is something that I intend to fiddle with soon. I like ethanol as it won't blind you only makes you see double temporarily ;^). Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but carbon neutral as well. May have to tweak the process a bit . vacuum to reduce water in oil? Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method. Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when ethanol (99%+) becomes available. Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Francisco, I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway. The current timing is right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for production in 2007. We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from when my methanol is out. Jim - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Tom and Jim I understand. Thks. Chic Thomas Kelly wrote: Chic wrote: Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? No. (Based on the best info I have) The explanation I received from a representative of a chemical supply company is consistent with the info at a site James Phelps provided: http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html For various reasons there was an unexpected drop in methanol production. The drop in supply coupled with continued demand - price increase. This is similar to the helium shortage (almost thwarted the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade) due to two of the major producers going off line at the same time . one unexpectedly; the other to due routine yearly maintenance. The methanol price should return to a more reasonable level as production resumes. Production is supposedly coming back. Before the price drops, reduced reserves will have to be replenished. It would be interesting to plot monthly prices for methanol over the past few years . see if there are months/seasons when the price is low or high. The representative I talked to said that the price he pays (northeastern US) goes up a bit during our winter months due to increased demand for windshield washed fluid that is winterized w. methanol. Those of us who have the luxury of safe storage space might consider buying an extra barrel or two when the price is low. Tom - Original Message - *From:* FRANCISCO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Chic wrote: Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? No. (Based on the best info I have) The explanation I received from a representative of a chemical supply company is consistent with the info at a site James Phelps provided: http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html For various reasons there was an unexpected drop in methanol production. The drop in supply coupled with continued demand - price increase. This is similar to the helium shortage (almost thwarted the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade) due to two of the major producers going off line at the same time . one unexpectedly; the other to due routine yearly maintenance. The methanol price should return to a more reasonable level as production resumes. Production is supposedly coming back. Before the price drops, reduced reserves will have to be replenished. It would be interesting to plot monthly prices for methanol over the past few years . see if there are months/seasons when the price is low or high. The representative I talked to said that the price he pays (northeastern US) goes up a bit during our winter months due to increased demand for windshield washed fluid that is winterized w. methanol. Those of us who have the luxury of safe storage space might consider buying an extra barrel or two when the price is low. Tom - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Francisco, I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway. The current timing is right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for production in 2007. We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from when my methanol is out. Jim - Original Message - From: FRANCISCOmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: biofuel [mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but carbon neutral as well. May have to tweak the process a bit . vacuum to reduce water in oil? Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method. Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when ethanol (99%+) becomes available. Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Francisco, I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway. The current timing is right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for production in 2007. We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from when my methanol is out. Jim - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
It is something that I intend to fiddle with soon. I like ethanol as it won't blind you only makes you see double temporarily ;^). Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kellymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but carbon neutral as well. May have to tweak the process a bit . vacuum to reduce water in oil? Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method. Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when ethanol (99%+) becomes available. Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPSmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Francisco, I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway. The current timing is right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for production in 2007. We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from when my methanol is out. Jim - Original Message - From: FRANCISCOmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: biofuel [mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Jim, Bad news. I don't think it will ever be possible to obtain 99%+ ethanol in the US unless you make it yourself. That is exactly what I planned to work on this past summer. I contacted the National Revenue Center to get info regarding ethanol production in order to make ethyl esters. They were very helpful. It is necessary to obtain a permit. Ethanol used on the premises covered under the permit does not have to be denatured, but any ethanol that leaves the premises must be denatured ex. 2 gal of unleaded gasoline added to 100 gal of ethanol. Because of this, I don't think it will be possible to obtain ethanol from another site. I don't know what effect the 2 gallons of gasoline/100 gal of ethanol would have on the transesterification process. I also suspect that only an E-85 blend would be available. May have to consider making fuel grade ethanol. I got discouraged and put it aside. Tom From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? It is something that I intend to fiddle with soon. I like ethanol as it won't blind you only makes you see double temporarily ;^). Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but carbon neutral as well. May have to tweak the process a bit . vacuum to reduce water in oil? Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method. Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when ethanol (99%+) becomes available. Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Francisco, I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway. The current timing is right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for production in 2007. We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from when my methanol is out. Jim - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Think methanol price is strongly dependant of natural gas price which is linked to fuel prices. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
My price went from 2.02 a gallon last month to 3.08 a gallon this month Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andres Secco Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:51 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Think methanol price is strongly dependant of natural gas price which is linked to fuel prices. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com http://www.tutopia.com/bannerserving/banman.asp?ZoneID=0BannerID=3174Adve rtiserID=776CampaignID=2424Task=ClickMode=TEXT y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. http://www.tutopia.com/bannerserving/banman.asp?ZoneID=0BannerID=3494Adve rtiserID=776CampaignID=2739Task=GetMode=TEXT ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I just got off the phone with my methanol supplier. They are in Albany, NY (Northeastern US). They have been very nice people to work with friendly/helpful. I was told that they had a 35% price increase from their supplier, and passed it along. Is this a world-wide phenomenon or just a local/regional thing? Have I been asleep at the wheel? I hadn't heard of any drastic increases in the price of methanol. Tom - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Tom, Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but that is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes the price to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down considerably since last year. Someone mentioned that there was a force majure (sp) at two plants in India this fall. Tsunami effects?? guessing on this one. Conspiracy theories aside. It may have to do with our free market again since Biodiesel production has taken a sharp increase in the US the additional demand on the market could be the cause. this is often the case with finite supplies introduced to new markets overnight - Prices move up. Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kellymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuelmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I just got this also please see http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:44:45 -0500 I just got off the phone with my methanol supplier. They are in Albany, NY (Northeastern US). They have been very nice people to work with friendly/helpful. I was told that they had a 35% price increase from their supplier, and passed it along. Is this a world-wide phenomenon or just a local/regional thing? Have I been asleep at the wheel? I hadn't heard of any drastic increases in the price of methanol. Tom - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Jim, Thanks for the reply. I originally got into making biodiesel for environmental reasons. However, I've experienced considerable $ savings . first on fuel for a car and now heating my house/water. I'm spoiled. I have a good, reliable fuel that is much more environmentally friendly than fossil fuels and have been making it at a fraction of the price of fossil fuels. When I started making BD I said: If it (BD) was available around here I wouldn't have to make it ... I'd buy it. Maybe increased demand is driving the price of methanol up. That might be a good thing if it is a sign that biodiesel production is increasing nationally/worldwide if we could include increases in ethanol use, solar wind generated power, the payoff in terms of environment, climate, health, and world harmony may well be worth the price we pay for energy. I'll continue to make my own BD even if the price of production goes up. I've developed a bad case of distrust for oil companies. Best to you, Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Tom, Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but that is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes the price to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down considerably since last year. Someone mentioned that there was a force majure (sp) at two plants in India this fall. Tsunami effects?? guessing on this one. Conspiracy theories aside. It may have to do with our free market again since Biodiesel production has taken a sharp increase in the US the additional demand on the market could be the cause. this is often the case with finite supplies introduced to new markets overnight - Prices move up. Jim - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Jim, Thanks again. The site you provided answered the question about price Quite a spike. Looks like a combination of demand and decreased production. Continued strong demand and a large number of competitor outages caused an unprecedented shortage of methanol supply in the third quarter that drove spot methanol prices to record highs, said Bruce Aitken, CEO of key supplier Methanex. Tom - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I just got this also please see http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html Jim From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:44:45 -0500 I just got off the phone with my methanol supplier. They are in Albany, NY (Northeastern US). They have been very nice people to work with friendly/helpful. I was told that they had a 35% price increase from their supplier, and passed it along. Is this a world-wide phenomenon or just a local/regional thing? Have I been asleep at the wheel? I hadn't heard of any drastic increases in the price of methanol. Tom - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
William, Actually methanol prices have not been directly linked to oil prices. My understanding is that natural gas is the normal feedstock for methanol production. Of course, oil prices do effect distribution costs. I had an interesting discussion with the sales rep. from the chemical supply company I've been getting my methanol from. He mentioned seasonal fluctuations that are fairly predictable ex Here in the US, winter windshield wash contains methanol to prevent freezing. Increased demand in winter causes prices to go up a bit. He said that the current spike in price was related to a dramatic drop in production by a manufacturing plant in the Caribbean and two in India. He said that methanol prices have always been volatile; spikes in price are not uncommon. He could not say when prices will drop back to more normal prices, but seemed quite sure that this was a temporary increase. James Phelps provided a valuable link www.purchasing.com that has price info with explanation for methanol and other items. Tom - Original Message - From: VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Just got off the dogbone to my supplier here in south coast of NSW Oz 200liters=$314.15 + GST so wack another10% on Thats all in Oz dollars which is about the equivalent value of monopoly mony William do yop have any info on making it from wood? Leo VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/wood_alcohol.html Jim From: leo bunyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:42 +1100 (EST) Just got off the dogbone to my supplier here in south coast of NSW Oz 200liters=$314.15 + GST so wack another10% on Thats all in Oz dollars which is about the equivalent value of monopoly mony William do yop have any info on making it from wood? Leo VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Of course check the library Thanks Jim JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/wood_alcohol.html Jim From: leo bunyan Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:42 +1100 (EST) Just got off the dogbone to my supplier here in south coast of NSW Oz 200liters=$314.15 + GST so wack another10% on Thats all in Oz dollars which is about the equivalent value of monopoly mony William do yop have any info on making it from wood? Leo VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
