Re: [Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship
Hi Chris, You nailed it in one. Here's the full story. Regards. Bob. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html - Original Message - From: Chris Burck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship good to see people speaking out about it, however far below the radar. fwiw, i'd heard that isreal's motive was to cover up war crimes (their own highway of death) on which the liberty was eavesdropping. On 1/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Bob, I certainly remember our sister ship, the Liberty. I also remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. See the piece at Yahoo News cited below: http://snipurl.com/1xdix We have known this was a manufactured incident for a long time but apparently the whole story has just been confirmed and made official. Makes ones heart warm when pondering on the honesty of ones government. :o/ Happy Happy, Gustl Sunday, 13 January, 2008, 17:57:30, you wrote: BM Interesting comment from a retired US naval officer living in Malaysia. BM regards. BM Bob. BM Friends: BM I am using IE-9, Microsoft's latest browser which provides for multiple homepages. I have two US based News Media pages as homepages, plus Google's homepage... but not the vanilla, BM brown-paper wrapped version! BM I have installed Google homepage from Google Stuff, and opted to modify it with the Malaysian version, in which I get to select Malaysian oriented stuff. BM Vis. http://www.google.com.my/ig?hl=en. BM I have selected Malaysian News, which is a selection of World and Local news articles from local mainstream news sources here in Malaysia. They are, like other MSM sources in Amerika and BM elsewhere, influenced by government agencies, controls and economic factors which MSM organs cannot escape. In Malaysia the Free Press, is probably no more free than elsewhere. BM Yet, when I open all three of my homepage news sources and compare headlines in all three of them, I see the Malaysian News page is strongly outnumbered by the other two, strictly US pages, BM which seem to follow some kind of protocol or party lines... war, war, war... American problems in conflict, and the difficulties encountered exporting and distributing Freedom and Democracy to BM the rest of the world, while the Malaysian component seems to, naively perhaps, assume that most of the rest of the world is about as free and democratic as it will ever be, or not be, and does BM not waste much time on these issues, except from time to time, noticing that US Forces are killing a lot of people here and there, without much commentary on the altruistic motives and sacrifices BM behind such slaughter in the name of Freedom, God, and Democracy. BM Just one more small reason why it is nice living somewhere else. BM And a snip from his previous email re the recent threat to US naval forces in the Straits of Hormuz: BM Bush gets briefing on US-Iran incident BM By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 10 minutes ago BM Note; Mr. Hunt is a White House Correspondent. I should stop reading here! BM MANAMA, Bahrain - A naval commander told President Bush on Sunday that he is taking the recent confrontation between Iranian and U.S. Navy forces in the Persian Gulf deadly seriously. BM White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush did not raise the showdown in the Hormuz Strait when he spoke with U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which BM patrols the Gulf. But Perino said Cosgriff told the president that he took it very seriously when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats on Jan. 6 charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship BM U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. BM If a fleet of boats, large or small, ...charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy... (NOTE: The US Navy does not sail in convoy, as merchant ships do. Navies sail in BM Formations) and the Task Force Commander took it deadly seriously or even just seriously, it was his duty to open fire and destroy them. Defense of your vessels is the prime reason for him BM being there! He did not fire so apparently he did not perceive a threat, however dramatic his story may sound BM Most war stories are much more spectacular, frightening, and heroic, post-war! If Mr. Bush believed this man, he should have relieved him of Command before coffee was served. BM Bush spoke with Cosgriff after he had a breakfast of pancakes and bacon with troops of the U.S. 5th Fleet based in Bahrain. BM All the military people remember what happened in the past, such as the USS Cole, Perino said, referring to the October 2000 terrorist attack on a U.S. warship
Re: [Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship
good to see people speaking out about it, however far below the radar. fwiw, i'd heard that isreal's motive was to cover up war crimes (their own highway of death) on which the liberty was eavesdropping. On 1/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Bob, I certainly remember our sister ship, the Liberty. I also remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. See the piece at Yahoo News cited below: http://snipurl.com/1xdix We have known this was a manufactured incident for a long time but apparently the whole story has just been confirmed and made official. Makes ones heart warm when pondering on the honesty of ones government. :o/ Happy Happy, Gustl Sunday, 13 January, 2008, 17:57:30, you wrote: BM Interesting comment from a retired US naval officer living in Malaysia. BM regards. BM Bob. BM Friends: BM I am using IE-9, Microsoft's latest browser which provides for multiple homepages. I have two US based News Media pages as homepages, plus Google's homepage... but not the vanilla, BM brown-paper wrapped version! BM I have installed Google homepage from Google Stuff, and opted to modify it with the Malaysian version, in which I get to select Malaysian oriented stuff. BM Vis. http://www.google.com.my/ig?hl=en. BM I have selected Malaysian News, which is a selection of World and Local news articles from local mainstream news sources here in Malaysia. They are, like other MSM sources in Amerika and BM elsewhere, influenced by government agencies, controls and economic factors which MSM organs cannot escape. In Malaysia the Free Press, is probably no more free than elsewhere. BM Yet, when I open all three of my homepage news sources and compare headlines in all three of them, I see the Malaysian News page is strongly outnumbered by the other two, strictly US pages, BM which seem to follow some kind of protocol or party lines... war, war, war... American problems in conflict, and the difficulties encountered exporting and distributing Freedom and Democracy to BM the rest of the world, while the Malaysian component seems to, naively perhaps, assume that most of the rest of the world is about as free and democratic as it will ever be, or not be, and does BM not waste much time on these issues, except from time to time, noticing that US Forces are killing a lot of people here and there, without much commentary on the altruistic motives and sacrifices BM behind such slaughter in the name of Freedom, God, and Democracy. BM Just one more small reason why it is nice living somewhere else. BM And a snip from his previous email re the recent threat to US naval forces in the Straits of Hormuz: BM Bush gets briefing on US-Iran incident BM By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 10 minutes ago BM Note; Mr. Hunt is a White House Correspondent. I should stop reading here! BM MANAMA, Bahrain - A naval commander told President Bush on Sunday that he is taking the recent confrontation between Iranian and U.S. Navy forces in the Persian Gulf deadly seriously. BM White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush did not raise the showdown in the Hormuz Strait when he spoke with U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which BM patrols the Gulf. But Perino said Cosgriff told the president that he took it very seriously when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats on Jan. 6 charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship BM U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. BM If a fleet of boats, large or small, ...charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy... (NOTE: The US Navy does not sail in convoy, as merchant ships do. Navies sail in BM Formations) and the Task Force Commander took it deadly seriously or even just seriously, it was his duty to open fire and destroy them. Defense of your vessels is the prime reason for him BM being there! He did not fire so apparently he did not perceive a threat, however dramatic his story may sound BM Most war stories are much more spectacular, frightening, and heroic, post-war! If Mr. Bush believed this man, he should have relieved him of Command before coffee was served. BM Bush spoke with Cosgriff after he had a breakfast of pancakes and bacon with troops of the U.S. 5th Fleet based in Bahrain. BM All the military people remember what happened in the past, such as the USS Cole, Perino said, referring to the October 2000 terrorist attack on a U.S. warship, the USS Cole. The attack in BM Yemen's Aden harbor by a small boat laden with explosives killed 17 sailors and nearly sank the Cole. BM Apparently, no one remembers the USS Liberty. I do! BM www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html BM -- next part -- BM An HTML attachment was scrubbed... BM URL:
Re: [Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship
Hallo Bob, I certainly remember our sister ship, the Liberty. I also remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. See the piece at Yahoo News cited below: http://snipurl.com/1xdix We have known this was a manufactured incident for a long time but apparently the whole story has just been confirmed and made official. Makes ones heart warm when pondering on the honesty of ones government. :o/ Happy Happy, Gustl Sunday, 13 January, 2008, 17:57:30, you wrote: BM Interesting comment from a retired US naval officer living in Malaysia. BM regards. BM Bob. BM Friends: BM I am using IE-9, Microsoft's latest browser which provides for multiple homepages. I have two US based News Media pages as homepages, plus Google's homepage... but not the vanilla, BM brown-paper wrapped version! BM I have installed Google homepage from Google Stuff, and opted to modify it with the Malaysian version, in which I get to select Malaysian oriented stuff. BM Vis. http://www.google.com.my/ig?hl=en. BM I have selected Malaysian News, which is a selection of World and Local news articles from local mainstream news sources here in Malaysia. They are, like other MSM sources in Amerika and BM elsewhere, influenced by government agencies, controls and economic factors which MSM organs cannot escape. In Malaysia the Free Press, is probably no more free than elsewhere. BM Yet, when I open all three of my homepage news sources and compare headlines in all three of them, I see the Malaysian News page is strongly outnumbered by the other two, strictly US pages, BM which seem to follow some kind of protocol or party lines... war, war, war... American problems in conflict, and the difficulties encountered exporting and distributing Freedom and Democracy to BM the rest of the world, while the Malaysian component seems to, naively perhaps, assume that most of the rest of the world is about as free and democratic as it will ever be, or not be, and does BM not waste much time on these issues, except from time to time, noticing that US Forces are killing a lot of people here and there, without much commentary on the altruistic motives and sacrifices BM behind such slaughter in the name of Freedom, God, and Democracy. BM Just one more small reason why it is nice living somewhere else. BM And a snip from his previous email re the recent threat to US naval forces in the Straits of Hormuz: BM Bush gets briefing on US-Iran incident BM By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 10 minutes ago BM Note; Mr. Hunt is a White House Correspondent. I should stop reading here! BM MANAMA, Bahrain - A naval commander told President Bush on Sunday that he is taking the recent confrontation between Iranian and U.S. Navy forces in the Persian Gulf deadly seriously. BM White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush did not raise the showdown in the Hormuz Strait when he spoke with U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which BM patrols the Gulf. But Perino said Cosgriff told the president that he took it very seriously when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats on Jan. 6 charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship BM U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. BM If a fleet of boats, large or small, ...charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy... (NOTE: The US Navy does not sail in convoy, as merchant ships do. Navies sail in BM Formations) and the Task Force Commander took it deadly seriously or even just seriously, it was his duty to open fire and destroy them. Defense of your vessels is the prime reason for him BM being there! He did not fire so apparently he did not perceive a threat, however dramatic his story may sound BM Most war stories are much more spectacular, frightening, and heroic, post-war! If Mr. Bush believed this man, he should have relieved him of Command before coffee was served. BM Bush spoke with Cosgriff after he had a breakfast of pancakes and bacon with troops of the U.S. 5th Fleet based in Bahrain. BM All the military people remember what happened in the past, such as the USS Cole, Perino said, referring to the October 2000 terrorist attack on a U.S. warship, the USS Cole. The attack in BM Yemen's Aden harbor by a small boat laden with explosives killed 17 sailors and nearly sank the Cole. BM Apparently, no one remembers the USS Liberty. I do! BM www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html BM -- next part -- BM An HTML attachment was scrubbed... BM URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080114/12b3ce82/attachment.html BM ___ BM Biofuel mailing list BM Biofuel@sustainablelists.org BM http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel BM Biofuel at Journey to Forever: BM http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html BM Search the combined
[Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship
Interesting comment from a retired US naval officer living in Malaysia. regards. Bob. Friends: I am using IE-9, Microsoft's latest browser which provides for multiple homepages. I have two US based News Media pages as homepages, plus Google's homepage... but not the vanilla, brown-paper wrapped version! I have installed Google homepage from Google Stuff, and opted to modify it with the Malaysian version, in which I get to select Malaysian oriented stuff. Vis. http://www.google.com.my/ig?hl=en. I have selected Malaysian News, which is a selection of World and Local news articles from local mainstream news sources here in Malaysia. They are, like other MSM sources in Amerika and elsewhere, influenced by government agencies, controls and economic factors which MSM organs cannot escape. In Malaysia the Free Press, is probably no more free than elsewhere. Yet, when I open all three of my homepage news sources and compare headlines in all three of them, I see the Malaysian News page is strongly outnumbered by the other two, strictly US pages, which seem to follow some kind of protocol or party lines... war, war, war... American problems in conflict, and the difficulties encountered exporting and distributing Freedom and Democracy to the rest of the world, while the Malaysian component seems to, naively perhaps, assume that most of the rest of the world is about as free and democratic as it will ever be, or not be, and does not waste much time on these issues, except from time to time, noticing that US Forces are killing a lot of people here and there, without much commentary on the altruistic motives and sacrifices behind such slaughter in the name of Freedom, God, and Democracy. Just one more small reason why it is nice living somewhere else. And a snip from his previous email re the recent threat to US naval forces in the Straits of Hormuz: Bush gets briefing on US-Iran incident By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 10 minutes ago Note; Mr. Hunt is a White House Correspondent. I should stop reading here! MANAMA, Bahrain - A naval commander told President Bush on Sunday that he is taking the recent confrontation between Iranian and U.S. Navy forces in the Persian Gulf deadly seriously. White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush did not raise the showdown in the Hormuz Strait when he spoke with U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf. But Perino said Cosgriff told the president that he took it very seriously when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats on Jan. 6 charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. If a fleet of boats, large or small, ...charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy... (NOTE: The US Navy does not sail in convoy, as merchant ships do. Navies sail in Formations) and the Task Force Commander took it deadly seriously or even just seriously, it was his duty to open fire and destroy them. Defense of your vessels is the prime reason for him being there! He did not fire so apparently he did not perceive a threat, however dramatic his story may sound Most war stories are much more spectacular, frightening, and heroic, post-war! If Mr. Bush believed this man, he should have relieved him of Command before coffee was served. Bush spoke with Cosgriff after he had a breakfast of pancakes and bacon with troops of the U.S. 5th Fleet based in Bahrain. All the military people remember what happened in the past, such as the USS Cole, Perino said, referring to the October 2000 terrorist attack on a U.S. warship, the USS Cole. The attack in Yemen's Aden harbor by a small boat laden with explosives killed 17 sailors and nearly sank the Cole. Apparently, no one remembers the USS Liberty. I do! www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080114/12b3ce82/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
