RE: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
, their willingness to cooperate, and several other good qualities. Now, just like before, don't go thinking that this means I am in favor of producing fuel ethanol from corn as a mainstay. Again, I looked for the good things that made the system work. You see, in the balance, there can be both positive and negative considerations for many ideas. We must individually weigh those considerations to come to our personal conclusions. The corn growers have made an impact on having fuel ethanol available at this time as an additive to petroleum. I don not approve of all their practices or politics, yet they have taken a step forward in renewable biomass utilization. For ten years, I have been extremely upset with the narrow-minded approach that Corn is King in US fuel ethanol production. And it is about to change. Which is what I said in my last email--total biomass systems will change the entire processing format. Sugarcane is a potential forerunner to an excellent feedstock, especially with total biomass processing. I have not supported sugar producers, politicians, or corporate entities. I am supporting farmers and I am supporting fuel ethanol producers. These efforts are not contrary to the overall well-being of a global populace. It's all about beliefs and flexibility in application. BioFuels Energy Corporation is a small company set up to assist rural economic development, sustainable communities, and what we see as right for transforming our environment. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Hello Peggy Hello Mike, I understand that the selling of the corn syrup could be a perk for the corn growers/ processors that make fuel ethanol. Once more US fuel ethanol production plants have additional total biomass systems up and running, availability and incentives could change. At this time anyone who produces biofuels here in the US needs encouragement beyond a pat on the back. Looking into the corn syrup market could be an interesting study. Look deeply Peggy, beyond just the market factors to the community factors. And not just US communities. It was rigged in various ways of course, but the rise of high fructose corn syrup knocked the US sugar price down by about 80% in a very short time - not long after large numbers of 3rd World sugar farmers had been persuaded by the World Bank to mechanise and capitalise on the strength of a strong US market, and given loans to do it. That caused mass starvation in some areas, and the results have been long-lived. I've seen it: Growth area?? The only growth area around here is in little coffins. Child-sized ones. See also: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=15476list=BIOFUEL When a Crop Becomes King By MICHAEL POLLAN I believe that there will be a time in the not too distant future when fuel ethanol takes a sharp turn for the better in production technology and alternative feedstock. (Providing the grain producers don't put so much political pressure that they end up hurting the industry as a whole.) Supporting biofuel byproducts can greatly assist producers. New innovations in sugar cane processing can be the leading incentive for maximizing fuel ethanol production quantities. But... http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/26624/ 2003-07-23 Subject: [biofuel] Big Sugar Brazil has had a different experience. Hoagy posted these links a few months back: http://ecen.com/eee19/compoxie.htm Addition Of Oxygenated Compound To Gasoline And The Proalcool Experience http://www.bbiethanol.com/news/view.cgi?article=523 Brazil Proposes Sugar Export Tax To Regulate Ethanol Production http://tierramerica.net/english/2003/0825/iacentos.shtml Dual Fuel Cars Revive Brazil's Alcohol Industry Best wishes Keith Any starch-rich feedstock is easier to handle than one that is based primarily on cellulosic breakdown. And as new cellulosic enzyme sources emerge, that production avenue will also rapidly expand. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Great discussion! I liked reading this exchange and wanted to focus in on Tim's comment on food quality. It reminded me of a story I saw on ABC. Peter Jennings did an excellent job bringing to the viewers attention, the use of high fructose corn syrup, a cheap alternative to cane and beet sugar. It's also more difficult for the body to process and turns to fat much more readily. Another thing effecting food quality is how our government subsidizes certain kinds of food. The beef industry with its strong lobby in Washington receives more government subsidies than farmers
[Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
Except for the coffins I saw farm failures on a trip to Australia about 25 years ago. Same story, big loans and market failure. Then foreclosure -- all on advice of gvt experts and easy loans. Kirk Hi Kirk Nor has the US been exempt, viz all the foreclosures of the 70s to 90s. I think the US lost about 6 million farmers or something bizarre. Government experts and easy loans, yes, and/or the World Bank, the IMF, NAFTA and the usual suspects. So often the government experts are really just unpaid employees of the corporations and chemical companies. (But there are also very good people working for the government agencies, and indeed for the World Bank.) Like most of these things - neo-liberal economics, corporate globalisation, free trade (free to pillage) - it's not so much nation-specific. Though the poor nations suffer the brunt of it, everybody and everything suffers, the whole fabric of human society, built through so many generations and built to last, is torn, perhaps irrevocably, for the benefit of a corporate bottom-line and the overbloated 1% - much less than 1%! - who already have far more than any human could either need or want. But there's CHANGE in the air, at last! And we're a small part of it (all parts of it are necessarily small!). I didn't know you'd been to Oz, Kirk. Wish I had, I intended to and even tried to but I never got that far. Don't suppose I ever will now, we're headed west (young man!). Take care, all best Keith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Peggy Hello Mike, I understand that the selling of the corn syrup could be a perk for the corn growers/ processors that make fuel ethanol. Once more US fuel ethanol production plants have additional total biomass systems up and running, availability and incentives could change. At this time anyone who produces biofuels here in the US needs encouragement beyond a pat on the back. Looking into the corn syrup market could be an interesting study. Look deeply Peggy, beyond just the market factors to the community factors. And not just US communities. It was rigged in various ways of course, but the rise of high fructose corn syrup knocked the US sugar price down by about 80% in a very short time - not long after large numbers of 3rd World sugar farmers had been persuaded by the World Bank to mechanise and capitalise on the strength of a strong US market, and given loans to do it. That caused mass starvation in some areas, and the results have been long-lived. I've seen it: Growth area?? The only growth area around here is in little coffins. Child-sized ones. See also: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=15476list=BIOFUEL When a Crop Becomes King By MICHAEL POLLAN ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
is King in US fuel ethanol production. And it is about to change. Which is what I said in my last email--total biomass systems will change the entire processing format. Sugarcane is a potential forerunner to an excellent feedstock, especially with total biomass processing. I have not supported sugar producers, politicians, or corporate entities. I am supporting farmers and I am supporting fuel ethanol producers. These efforts are not contrary to the overall well-being of a global populace. Depends how it's done. Argumentative, eh? I suggest you have a close look at exactly who is being argumentative. Aren't you protesting just a little too loudly? Best wishes Keith \ It's all about beliefs and flexibility in application. BioFuels Energy Corporation is a small company set up to assist rural economic development, sustainable communities, and what we see as right for transforming our environment. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Hello Peggy Hello Mike, I understand that the selling of the corn syrup could be a perk for the corn growers/ processors that make fuel ethanol. Once more US fuel ethanol production plants have additional total biomass systems up and running, availability and incentives could change. At this time anyone who produces biofuels here in the US needs encouragement beyond a pat on the back. Looking into the corn syrup market could be an interesting study. Look deeply Peggy, beyond just the market factors to the community factors. And not just US communities. It was rigged in various ways of course, but the rise of high fructose corn syrup knocked the US sugar price down by about 80% in a very short time - not long after large numbers of 3rd World sugar farmers had been persuaded by the World Bank to mechanise and capitalise on the strength of a strong US market, and given loans to do it. That caused mass starvation in some areas, and the results have been long-lived. I've seen it: Growth area?? The only growth area around here is in little coffins. Child-sized ones. See also: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=15476list=BIOFUEL When a Crop Becomes King By MICHAEL POLLAN I believe that there will be a time in the not too distant future when fuel ethanol takes a sharp turn for the better in production technology and alternative feedstock. (Providing the grain producers don't put so much political pressure that they end up hurting the industry as a whole.) Supporting biofuel byproducts can greatly assist producers. New innovations in sugar cane processing can be the leading incentive for maximizing fuel ethanol production quantities. But... http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/26624/ 2003-07-23 Subject: [biofuel] Big Sugar Brazil has had a different experience. Hoagy posted these links a few months back: http://ecen.com/eee19/compoxie.htm Addition Of Oxygenated Compound To Gasoline And The Proalcool Experience http://www.bbiethanol.com/news/view.cgi?article=523 Brazil Proposes Sugar Export Tax To Regulate Ethanol Production http://tierramerica.net/english/2003/0825/iacentos.shtml Dual Fuel Cars Revive Brazil's Alcohol Industry Best wishes Keith Any starch-rich feedstock is easier to handle than one that is based primarily on cellulosic breakdown. And as new cellulosic enzyme sources emerge, that production avenue will also rapidly expand. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Great discussion! I liked reading this exchange and wanted to focus in on Tim's comment on food quality. It reminded me of a story I saw on ABC. Peter Jennings did an excellent job bringing to the viewers attention, the use of high fructose corn syrup, a cheap alternative to cane and beet sugar. It's also more difficult for the body to process and turns to fat much more readily. Another thing effecting food quality is how our government subsidizes certain kinds of food. The beef industry with its strong lobby in Washington receives more government subsidies than farmers growing vegetables. This makes it more attractive for the poor to buy a burger at McDonald's than a salad. Anyone who has been to Europe sees the effect of these backwards subsidies because the price scale is reversed -- vegetables are relatively inexpensive and beef is often prohibitively expensive. Mike Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Tim; - Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Hello Mike, I believe the focus is getting blurry
RE: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
Hello Mike, I understand that the selling of the corn syrup could be a perk for the corn growers/ processors that make fuel ethanol. Once more US fuel ethanol production plants have additional total biomass systems up and running, availability and incentives could change. At this time anyone who produces biofuels here in the US needs encouragement beyond a pat on the back. Looking into the corn syrup market could be an interesting study. Look deeply Peggy, beyond just the market factors to the community factors. And not just US communities. It was rigged in various ways of course, but the rise of high fructose corn syrup knocked the US sugar price down by about 80% in a very short time - not long after large numbers of 3rd World sugar farmers had been persuaded by the World Bank to mechanise and capitalise on the strength of a strong US market, and given loans to do it. That caused mass starvation in some areas, and the results have been long-lived. I've seen it: Growth area?? The only growth area around here is in little coffins. Child-sized ones. See also: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=15476list=BIOFUEL When a Crop Becomes King By MICHAEL POLLAN I believe that there will be a time in the not too distant future when fuel ethanol takes a sharp turn for the better in production technology and alternative feedstock. (Providing the grain producers don't put so much political pressure that they end up hurting the industry as a whole.) Supporting biofuel byproducts can greatly assist producers. New innovations in sugar cane processing can be the leading incentive for maximizing fuel ethanol production quantities. But... http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/26624/ 2003-07-23 Subject: [biofuel] Big Sugar Brazil has had a different experience. Hoagy posted these links a few months back: http://ecen.com/eee19/compoxie.htm Addition Of Oxygenated Compound To Gasoline And The Proalcool Experience http://www.bbiethanol.com/news/view.cgi?article=523 Brazil Proposes Sugar Export Tax To Regulate Ethanol Production http://tierramerica.net/english/2003/0825/iacentos.shtml Dual Fuel Cars Revive Brazil's Alcohol Industry Best wishes Keith Any starch-rich feedstock is easier to handle than one that is based primarily on cellulosic breakdown. And as new cellulosic enzyme sources emerge, that production avenue will also rapidly expand. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Great discussion! I liked reading this exchange and wanted to focus in on Tim's comment on food quality. It reminded me of a story I saw on ABC. Peter Jennings did an excellent job bringing to the viewers attention, the use of high fructose corn syrup, a cheap alternative to cane and beet sugar. It's also more difficult for the body to process and turns to fat much more readily. Another thing effecting food quality is how our government subsidizes certain kinds of food. The beef industry with its strong lobby in Washington receives more government subsidies than farmers growing vegetables. This makes it more attractive for the poor to buy a burger at McDonald's than a salad. Anyone who has been to Europe sees the effect of these backwards subsidies because the price scale is reversed -- vegetables are relatively inexpensive and beef is often prohibitively expensive. Mike Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Tim; - Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Hello Mike, I believe the focus is getting blurry on this subject. It is not simply a matter of $1.50 per day of waste. It is also about excess. Take a look at America today and you find an alarming amount of obesity. America's obesity problem is actually two fold; one is of course excess but the other is food quality. Too much of it is empty food, of very little nutritional value. This Excess must be factored into the equation. If we would learn to budget our lives to include our food as well as energy usage etc... we would not only recover the $1.50 per day from the food waste being eliminated but we would also free up much more money from the reduction in consumption. As well as the savings from reduced medical expenses from people living healthier. Cooking oil, once heated to those temps, breaks down and becomes carconogenic, and America's love affair with fried foods is legendary, as is it's cancer clinics on every other street corner (not quite, but there's a whole whack of 'em). These would most definitely free up transportable cash as well as redefine where the food store must be transported more efficiently based on the new demand levels which would aid in balancing the worlds food
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Hi Keith Except for the coffins I saw farm failures on a trip to Australia about 25 years ago. Same story, big loans and market failure. Then foreclosure -- all on advice of gvt experts and easy loans. Kirk --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Peggy Hello Mike, I understand that the selling of the corn syrup could be a perk for the corn growers/ processors that make fuel ethanol. Once more US fuel ethanol production plants have additional total biomass systems up and running, availability and incentives could change. At this time anyone who produces biofuels here in the US needs encouragement beyond a pat on the back. Looking into the corn syrup market could be an interesting study. Look deeply Peggy, beyond just the market factors to the community factors. And not just US communities. It was rigged in various ways of course, but the rise of high fructose corn syrup knocked the US sugar price down by about 80% in a very short time - not long after large numbers of 3rd World sugar farmers had been persuaded by the World Bank to mechanise and capitalise on the strength of a strong US market, and given loans to do it. That caused mass starvation in some areas, and the results have been long-lived. I've seen it: Growth area?? The only growth area around here is in little coffins. Child-sized ones. See also: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=15476list=BIOFUEL When a Crop Becomes King By MICHAEL POLLAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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- Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Hello Mike, I believe the focus is getting blurry on this subject. It is not simply a matter of $1.50 per day of waste. It is also about excess. Take a look at America today and you find an alarming amount of obesity. America's obesity problem is actually two fold; one is of course excess but the other is food quality. Too much of it is empty food, of very little nutritional value. This Excess must be factored into the equation. If we would learn to budget our lives to include our food as well as energy usage etc... we would not only recover the $1.50 per day from the food waste being eliminated but we would also free up much more money from the reduction in consumption. As well as the savings from reduced medical expenses from people living healthier. Cooking oil, once heated to those temps, breaks down and becomes carconogenic, and America's love affair with fried foods is legendary, as is it's cancer clinics on every other street corner (not quite, but there's a whole whack of 'em). These would most definitely free up transportable cash as well as redefine where the food store must be transported more efficiently based on the new demand levels which would aid in balancing the worlds food consumption. There are many other aspects of the idea of living on a balanced needs-based budget that would have a positive impact but I believe you see where this first step leads. Sustainability is not something that is far fetched, it is however something that is intentionally and artificially controlled, and therein lies the problem. Gmo's are touted as a solution to world hunger but all they are are a solution to corporate control of the world's food supply. The local farmer, who through much invested time and effort to produce healthy food, a la organically grown, is a much and readier source of sustainability than any coporate entity. If more people invest their time and resources in supporting the local organic farmer, or growing some food on their own, then there will be more of them and sustainability will soon become a non-issue. As long as we put the responsibility for our future into the hands of corporate interests there will not be a ready solution, it is not in their best (read fiscal) interest. Luc Best wishes, Tim Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
Great discussion! I liked reading this exchange and wanted to focus in on Tim's comment on food quality. It reminded me of a story I saw on ABC. Peter Jennings did an excellent job bringing to the viewers attention, the use of high fructose corn syrup, a cheap alternative to cane and beet sugar. It's also more difficult for the body to process and turns to fat much more readily. Another thing effecting food quality is how our government subsidizes certain kinds of food. The beef industry with its strong lobby in Washington receives more government subsidies than farmers growing vegetables. This makes it more attractive for the poor to buy a burger at McDonald's than a salad. Anyone who has been to Europe sees the effect of these backwards subsidies because the price scale is reversed -- vegetables are relatively inexpensive and beef is often prohibitively expensive. Mike Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Tim; - Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Hello Mike, I believe the focus is getting blurry on this subject. It is not simply a matter of $1.50 per day of waste. It is also about excess. Take a look at America today and you find an alarming amount of obesity. America's obesity problem is actually two fold; one is of course excess but the other is food quality. Too much of it is empty food, of very little nutritional value. This Excess must be factored into the equation. If we would learn to budget our lives to include our food as well as energy usage etc... we would not only recover the $1.50 per day from the food waste being eliminated but we would also free up much more money from the reduction in consumption. As well as the savings from reduced medical expenses from people living healthier. Cooking oil, once heated to those temps, breaks down and becomes carconogenic, and America's love affair with fried foods is legendary, as is it's cancer clinics on every other street corner (not quite, but there's a whole whack of 'em). These would most definitely free up transportable cash as well as redefine where the food store must be transported more efficiently based on the new demand levels which would aid in balancing the worlds food consumption. There are many other aspects of the idea of living on a balanced needs-based budget that would have a positive impact but I believe you see where this first step leads. Sustainability is not something that is far fetched, it is however something that is intentionally and artificially controlled, and therein lies the problem. Gmo's are touted as a solution to world hunger but all they are are a solution to corporate control of the world's food supply. The local farmer, who through much invested time and effort to produce healthy food, a la organically grown, is a much and readier source of sustainability than any coporate entity. If more people invest their time and resources in supporting the local organic farmer, or growing some food on their own, then there will be more of them and sustainability will soon become a non-issue. As long as we put the responsibility for our future into the hands of corporate interests there will not be a ready solution, it is not in their best (read fiscal) interest. Luc Best wishes, Tim Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
Hello Mike, I understand that the selling of the corn syrup could be a perk for the corn growers/ processors that make fuel ethanol. Once more US fuel ethanol production plants have additional total biomass systems up and running, availability and incentives could change. At this time anyone who produces biofuels here in the US needs encouragement beyond a pat on the back. Looking into the corn syrup market could be an interesting study. I believe that there will be a time in the not too distant future when fuel ethanol takes a sharp turn for the better in production technology and alternative feedstock. (Providing the grain producers don't put so much political pressure that they end up hurting the industry as a whole.) Supporting biofuel byproducts can greatly assist producers. New innovations in sugar cane processing can be the leading incentive for maximizing fuel ethanol production quantities. Any starch-rich feedstock is easier to handle than one that is based primarily on cellulosic breakdown. And as new cellulosic enzyme sources emerge, that production avenue will also rapidly expand. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Great discussion! I liked reading this exchange and wanted to focus in on Tim's comment on food quality. It reminded me of a story I saw on ABC. Peter Jennings did an excellent job bringing to the viewers attention, the use of high fructose corn syrup, a cheap alternative to cane and beet sugar. It's also more difficult for the body to process and turns to fat much more readily. Another thing effecting food quality is how our government subsidizes certain kinds of food. The beef industry with its strong lobby in Washington receives more government subsidies than farmers growing vegetables. This makes it more attractive for the poor to buy a burger at McDonald's than a salad. Anyone who has been to Europe sees the effect of these backwards subsidies because the price scale is reversed -- vegetables are relatively inexpensive and beef is often prohibitively expensive. Mike Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Tim; - Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 Hello Mike, I believe the focus is getting blurry on this subject. It is not simply a matter of $1.50 per day of waste. It is also about excess. Take a look at America today and you find an alarming amount of obesity. America's obesity problem is actually two fold; one is of course excess but the other is food quality. Too much of it is empty food, of very little nutritional value. This Excess must be factored into the equation. If we would learn to budget our lives to include our food as well as energy usage etc... we would not only recover the $1.50 per day from the food waste being eliminated but we would also free up much more money from the reduction in consumption. As well as the savings from reduced medical expenses from people living healthier. Cooking oil, once heated to those temps, breaks down and becomes carconogenic, and America's love affair with fried foods is legendary, as is it's cancer clinics on every other street corner (not quite, but there's a whole whack of 'em). These would most definitely free up transportable cash as well as redefine where the food store must be transported more efficiently based on the new demand levels which would aid in balancing the worlds food consumption. There are many other aspects of the idea of living on a balanced needs-based budget that would have a positive impact but I believe you see where this first step leads. Sustainability is not something that is far fetched, it is however something that is intentionally and artificially controlled, and therein lies the problem. Gmo's are touted as a solution to world hunger but all they are are a solution to corporate control of the world's food supply. The local farmer, who through much invested time and effort to produce healthy food, a la organically grown, is a much and readier source of sustainability than any coporate entity. If more people invest their time and resources in supporting the local organic farmer, or growing some food on their own, then there will be more of them and sustainability will soon become a non-issue. As long as we put the responsibility for our future into the hands of corporate interests there will not be a ready solution, it is not in their best (read fiscal) interest. Luc Best wishes, Tim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
[Biofuel] RE: [Befoul] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
Hello Mike, I believe the focus is getting blurry on this subject. It is not simply a matter of $1.50 per day of waste. It is also about excess. Take a look at America today and you find an alarming amount of obesity. This Excess must be factored into the equation. If we would learn to budget our lives to include our food as well as energy usage etc... we would not only recover the $1.50 per day from the food waste being eliminated but we would also free up much more money from the reduction in consumption. As well as the savings from reduced medical expenses from people living healthier. These would most definitely free up transportable cash as well as redefine where the food store must be transported more efficiently based on the new demand levels which would aid in balancing the worlds food consumption. There are many other aspects of the idea of living on a balanced needs-based budget that would have a positive impact but I believe you see where this first step leads. Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50 This has been on my mind since my mother first scolded me for not finishing my vegetables. But how, in a global economy, does my improved efficiency of food use get one extra meal to someone outside of my local market? By the time the products are available for me to consume they are already out of the shipment flow to another market. Even if the local market demand was reduced by a considerable amount, the harvest/products would already be produced and the spoilage clock would be ticking. But more importantly, from what I have learned, there is more than enough food production worldwide; it is the imbalance of delivery that creates localized shortages. The imbalance of delivery is primarily caused by local political powers. Those localized political powers are derived from farmers that want to earn a living, producers that want to earn a living, shippers that want to earn a living and governments that want to tax everybody. So how do I get the $1.50 a day in less food waste to someone that needs it? And remember, we are not talking about actual money that does not spoil and can be transfered, we are talking about small portions of each meal that have already been prepared and served. I intend no offense. I honestly inquire your perspective. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
