Re: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007
Hello Bruno, thanks for that posting! when i look at a major sponsor of this event,Nova Gmbh,i cant help to think at NOVA,a Dinosponsored PR organizer,working so hard to deny global warming! I could be wrong and anyway its not important anymore! At this point i would like to see Keith in the ranks to get a first hand look at the merits of this congress,after all its him who worked so hard to get the biofuels known an in the rigth directions. My call is to everyone on this list to sponsor a trip for Keith to attend this congress,so we get a qualified feedback on this german brew.Its worth to me to pledge a couple hundred bucks to help pay,so Keith could attend the congress! Fritz - Original Message - From: Bruno M. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007 First International Congress on Plant Oil Fuels 6 + 7 September 2007 Erfurt Germany. www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/ ( in German ) The same in English : www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/index.php?lng=en And in November also in Germany (Munich): Oils+fats 2007 International Trade Fair for the Production and Processing of Oils and Fats made from Renewable Resources 20 - 22 November 2007 oils+fats is the only international B2B exhibition that focuses on the manufacture and processing of oils and fats. It presents the latest trends and information about recent technological developments, covering everything from raw and auxiliary materials to processing, quality assurance, packaging and logistics. As a result, it is the most important industry gathering for experts and decision-makers in the oils and fats industry. www.oils-and-fats.com/en/Home/cn/Glance ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007
Hello Fritz, Bruno and all Hello Bruno, thanks for that posting! when i look at a major sponsor of this event,Nova Gmbh,i cant help to think at NOVA,a Dinosponsored PR organizer,working so hard to deny global warming! I could be wrong and anyway its not important anymore! At this point i would like to see Keith in the ranks to get a first hand look at the merits of this congress,after all its him who worked so hard to get the biofuels known an in the rigth directions. My call is to everyone on this list to sponsor a trip for Keith to attend this congress,so we get a qualified feedback on this german brew.Its worth to me to pledge a couple hundred bucks to help pay,so Keith could attend the congress! Golly! :-0 Well, thanks for saying such nice things and having so much faith in me Fritz, but I have to decline. There's really no chance that I'd be in a position to take about a week off from our commitments here in September for an SVO conference in Germany, or for anything else I can think of. Anyway I don't think there'd be any need. I don't think there's any mystery about this conference, it's the same as all the others, the same old industry stuff. They provide some material at their website but I don't see a need for a critique. I think I've already done that, mostly, in some of the material in the SVO section at JtF, and here: How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take? http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch The rest of it would be covered by the general critique by GRAIN that I posted the other day: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70355.html [Biofuel] No to the agrofuels craze! That's a thorough and devastating attack on industrialised biofuels, which GRAIN aptly renames agrofuels: We believe that the prefix bio, which comes from the Greek word for 'life', is entirely inappropriate for such anti-life devastation. So, following the lead of non-governmental organisations and social movements in Latin America, we do not talk about biofuels and green energy. Agrofuels is a much better term, we believe, to express what is really happening: agribusiness producing fuel from plants as another commodity in a wasteful, destructive and unjust global economy. I agree with that. Steve Spence once said here: I have a niggling feeling that 10 years from now, the environmentalists will be fighting the ethanol industry tooth and nail. Anything can be done badly, and I expect the ADM's of the world will be successful in turning a clean renewable resource into a dirty unsustainable one... I agreed with that too. If biofuels are supposed to be sustainable and renewable then industrialised agriculture cannot produce biofuels because industrialised agriculture is itself not sustainable, not in any way. Calling what they produce biofuels is greenwash. GRAIN, however, in re-defining as agrofuels what industry calls biofuels, then fails to define what real biofuels are, that is, fuels for life. I think that's quite well defined in the JtF link above, How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take?, which is largely derived from discussions here at the Biofuel list. Biofuels are produced by small-scale, local or community-level projects using an Appropriate Technology approach, which means that projects fit the local context. The industrial approach does the opposite thing, forcing the local context to fit the demands of the bottom-line, and externalising the costs. It's industrialised agriculture and/or colonial-era plantation economy projects that industrial biofuels depends on, whether it's ethanol, biodiesel, or, indeed, SVO/Plant Oil Fuels. I've been watching the huge worldwide growth in the last 18 months to two years of biofuels conferences and expos of all types, I get sent all the flyers, scores and scores of them, hundreds probably, and I'm quite sure they're a very good business venture. I just don't think they're of any interest. But Fritz, hey, thanks again! Really! All best Keith Fritz - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Bruno M. To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007 First International Congress on Plant Oil Fuels 6 + 7 September 2007 Erfurt Germany. http://www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/ ( in German ) The same in English : http://www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/index.php?lng=enwww.pflanzenoel-k ongress.de/index.php?lng=en And in November also in Germany (Munich): Oils+fats 2007 International Trade Fair for the Production and Processing of Oils and Fats made from Renewable Resources 20 - 22 November 2007 oils+fats is the only international B2B exhibition that focuses on the manufacture and processing of oils and fats
[Biofuel] SVO congres
Hi Keith, thanks for putting me things in the rigth perspectiv,sometimes i am a hopeles dreamer,but you are all rigth with your views! Anyway them arrogant Dr.s and german industrials with all their titles would not pay attention to sombody who does not have profits in the aim! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO congres
Hi Fritz Hi Keith, thanks for putting me things in the rigth perspectiv,sometimes i am a hopeles dreamer,but you are all rigth with your views! Anyway them arrogant Dr.s and german industrials with all their titles would not pay attention to sombody who does not have profits in the aim! I guess industrialists are pretty much the same wherever they come from. You'd probably meet people there too with more than just profits in their minds, but maybe there are better ways of meeting them. All best Keith Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007
First International Congress on Plant Oil Fuels 6 + 7 September 2007 Erfurt Germany. www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/ ( in German ) The same in English : www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/index.php?lng=en And in November also in Germany (Munich): Oils+fats 2007 International Trade Fair for the Production and Processing of Oils and Fats made from Renewable Resources 20 22 November 2007 oils+fats is the only international B2B exhibition that focuses on the manufacture and processing of oils and fats. It presents the latest trends and information about recent technological developments, covering everything from raw and auxiliary materials to processing, quality assurance, packaging and logistics. As a result, it is the most important industry gathering for experts and decision-makers in the oils and fats industry. www.oils-and-fats.com/en/Home/cn/Glance ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
