Re: [Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-15 Thread Joe Street
Yes ozone is a sterilizer and it is also unhealthy to breathe.  High 
voltage arcs produce ozone and also produce nitrogen oxides which are 
not healthy. Mercury arc lamps produce enough UV to make ozone for sure. 
So does a laser printer. Usually arc lamps have an outer envelope to 
keep air away from the actual bulb.  UV lamps bright enough to make O3 
are dangerous to the eyes.  What else about ozonelet's see, ozone 
disolved in hot deionized water is hell on wheels for anything organic. 
Works like gang busters as a cleaner for semiconductor wafers. 
Environmentally freindly! Liquid ozone is something like nitroglycerine, 
watch out for that one when using cryogenic pumps with oxygen plasmas. 
Warm them slowly with a nitrogen purgedon't let that ball of frozen 
ozone melt and drip or we'll see you in the next world.  I suppose 
liquid ozone would beat liquid oxygen for starting a barbeque...lol  
Don't try this at home kids.


Fun with ozone
Joe

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

UV light (when powerful enough) can sterilize many things. There are a 
number of water plants that use UV for
sterilizing. I dunno about the Ozone Lights doing much good on the O3 
side (namely, is O3 a sterilizing agent?).
I think there are better ways to make O3 such as direct electrical arc 
(jacobs ladder). Some ion machines also

produce O3.

Luke Hansen wrote:

 


Hello all,

I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything
about the effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess
that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill
airborne pathogens. Most of the online literature that
I've found goes back to one study that showed this
light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in
clinical trials. Anyone have experiences with this, or
anything similiar?

Thanks,
Luke




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Re: [Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-15 Thread Luke Hansen
Excellent. I appreciate all of the input. In the past, I've used UV sterylizers 
in my marine aquaria, but never really had a need for indoor air purification. 
Now I do, so I'm examining my options. First a few points/questions...

* very high voltages are required to create O3, correct?
* UV light between certain nanometers creates O3?
* This ozone light could also be harmful to people, as well as eliminating 
airborne pathogens?

A side note, I think that the ozone light brags about its safety, and, in fact, 
states that it doesn't actually create O3.

Thanks,
Luke

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Yes ozone is a sterilizer and 
it is also unhealthy to breathe.  High voltage arcs produce ozone and also 
produce nitrogen oxides which are not healthy. Mercury arc lamps produce enough 
UV to make ozone for sure. So does a laser printer. Usually arc lamps have an 
outer envelope to keep air away from the actual bulb.  UV lamps bright enough 
to make O3 are dangerous to the eyes.  What else about ozonelet's see, 
ozone disolved in hot deionized water is hell on wheels for anything organic. 
Works like gang busters as a cleaner for semiconductor wafers. Environmentally 
freindly! Liquid ozone is something like nitroglycerine, watch out for that one 
when using cryogenic pumps with oxygen plasmas. Warm them slowly with a 
nitrogen purgedon't let that ball of frozen ozone melt and drip or we'll 
see you in the next world.  I suppose liquid ozone would beat liquid oxygen for 
starting a barbeque...lol  Don't try this at
 home kids.
 
 Fun with ozone
 Joe
 
 Jeromie Reeves wrote:

UV light (when powerful enough) can sterilize many things. There are a 
number of water plants that use UV for
sterilizing. I dunno about the Ozone Lights doing much good on the O3 
side (namely, is O3 a sterilizing agent?).
I think there are better ways to make O3 such as direct electrical arc 
(jacobs ladder). Some ion machines also
produce O3.

Luke Hansen wrote:

  

Hello all,

I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything
about the effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess
that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill
airborne pathogens. Most of the online literature that
I've found goes back to one study that showed this
light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in
clinical trials. Anyone have experiences with this, or
anything similiar?

Thanks,
Luke




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Re: [Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-15 Thread Joe Street

Hi Luke;

What is required to create ozone electrically is an arc open to air.  
The voltage required for this depends on the distance between electrodes 
or 'air gap' small gap requires lower voltage.  Another way is to have a 
very high voltage which produces a corona.  This is not quite like an 
arc but does cause local ionization of the air around the tip of the 
sharp electrode.


Yes UV light can produce ozone (O3) I cannot remember which wavelength 
but a mercury arc lamp produces several spectral peaks and one of them 
causes ozone formation.


Yes the high intensity UV light can cause burns to the skin and eyes.  
As well the ozone is toxic to breathe.  On your last comment I am 
confused.  You realize ozone and O3 are the same thing?  If the lamp 
claims to produce ozone then it is producing O3. If it claims not to 
produce O3 then it cannot be called an ozone lamp!


J

Luke Hansen wrote:

Excellent. I appreciate all of the input. In the past, I've used UV 
sterylizers in my marine aquaria, but never really had a need for 
indoor air purification. Now I do, so I'm examining my options. First 
a few points/questions...


* very high voltages are required to create O3, correct?
* UV light between certain nanometers creates O3?
* This ozone light could also be harmful to people, as well as 
eliminating airborne pathogens?


A side note, I think that the ozone light brags about its safety, and, 
in fact, states that it doesn't actually create O3.


Thanks,
Luke

*/Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Yes ozone is a sterilizer and it is also unhealthy to breathe. 
High voltage arcs produce ozone and also produce nitrogen oxides

which are not healthy. Mercury arc lamps produce enough UV to make
ozone for sure. So does a laser printer. Usually arc lamps have an
outer envelope to keep air away from the actual bulb.  UV lamps
bright enough to make O3 are dangerous to the eyes.  What else
about ozonelet's see, ozone disolved in hot deionized water is
hell on wheels for anything organic. Works like gang busters as a
cleaner for semiconductor wafers. Environmentally freindly! Liquid
ozone is something like nitroglycerine, watch out for that one
when using cryogenic pumps with oxygen plasmas. Warm them slowly
with a nitrogen purgedon't let that ball of frozen ozone melt
and drip or we'll see you in the next world.  I suppose liquid
ozone would beat liquid oxygen for starting a barbeque...lol 
Don't try this at home kids.


Fun with ozone
Joe

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

UV light (when powerful enough) can sterilize many things. There are a 
number of water plants that use UV for
sterilizing. I dunno about the Ozone Lights doing much good on the O3 
side (namely, is O3 a sterilizing agent?).
I think there are better ways to make O3 such as direct electrical arc 
(jacobs ladder). Some ion machines also

produce O3.

Luke Hansen wrote:

 


Hello all,

I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything
about the effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess
that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill
airborne pathogens. Most of the online literature that
I've found goes back to one study that showed this
light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in
clinical trials. Anyone have experiences with this, or
anything
similiar?

Thanks,
Luke




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Re: [Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
Its the short uv that produces ozone
  275nm?
  You need the mercury vapor lamps that are made of quartz.
  Glass is opaque to uv.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Luke;

What is required to create ozone electrically is an arc open to air.  The 
voltage required for this depends on the distance between electrodes or 'air 
gap' small gap requires lower voltage.  Another way is to have a very high 
voltage which produces a corona.  This is not quite like an arc but does cause 
local ionization of the air around the tip of the sharp electrode. 

Yes UV light can produce ozone (O3) I cannot remember which wavelength but a 
mercury arc lamp produces several spectral peaks and one of them causes ozone 
formation. 

Yes the high intensity UV light can cause burns to the skin and eyes.  As well 
the ozone is toxic to breathe.  On your last comment I am confused.  You 
realize ozone and O3 are the same thing?  If the lamp claims to produce ozone 
then it is producing O3. If it claims not to produce O3 then it cannot be 
called an ozone lamp!

J

Luke Hansen wrote:
  Excellent. I appreciate all of the input. In the past, I've used UV 
sterylizers in my marine aquaria, but never really had a need for indoor air 
purification. Now I do, so I'm examining my options. First a few 
points/questions...

* very high voltages are required to create O3, correct?
* UV light between certain nanometers creates O3?
* This ozone light could also be harmful to people, as well as eliminating 
airborne pathogens?

A side note, I think that the ozone light brags about its safety, and, in fact, 
states that it doesn't actually create O3.

Thanks,
Luke

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Yes ozone is a sterilizer and it is 
also unhealthy to breathe.  High voltage arcs produce ozone and also produce 
nitrogen oxides which are not healthy. Mercury arc lamps produce enough UV to 
make ozone for sure. So does a laser printer. Usually arc lamps have an outer 
envelope to keep air away from the actual bulb.  UV lamps bright enough to make 
O3 are dangerous to the eyes.  What else about ozonelet's see, ozone 
disolved in hot deionized water is hell on wheels for anything organic. Works 
like gang busters as a cleaner for semiconductor wafers. Environmentally 
freindly! Liquid ozone is something like nitroglycerine, watch out for that one 
when using cryogenic pumps with oxygen plasmas. Warm them slowly with a 
nitrogen purgedon't let that ball of frozen ozone melt and drip or we'll 
see you in the next world.  I suppose liquid ozone would beat liquid oxygen for 
starting a barbeque...lol  Don't try this at home kids.

Fun with ozone
Joe

Jeromie Reeves wrote:
  
UV light (when powerful enough) can sterilize many things. There are a   number 
of water plants that use UV for  sterilizing. I dunno about the Ozone Lights 
doing much good on the O3   side (namely, is O3 a sterilizing agent?).  I think 
there are better ways to make O3 such as direct electrical arc   (jacobs 
ladder). Some ion machines also  produce O3.Luke Hansen wrote:  
  
Hello all,I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything  about the 
effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess  that they don't actually create O3, 
but they do kill  airborne pathogens. Most of the online literature that  I've 
found goes back to one study that showed this  light effective in killing E. 
Coli bacteria in  clinical trials. Anyone have experiences with this, or  
anything   similiar?Thanks,  Luke

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Re: [Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-15 Thread Luke Hansen
I think that the company that makes these lights just chose Ozone Light 
because it sounded cool to them. Has nothing to do with creation of O3. 

Kirk, What do you mean by opaque? Do you mean that none or some of the UV 
goes through the glass?

And quartz? wouldn't that manufacturing proscess be very expensive...resulting 
in really high retail prices?



Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its the short uv that produces ozone
  275nm?
  You need the mercury vapor lamps that are made of quartz.
  Glass is opaque to uv.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Luke;

What is required to create ozone electrically is an arc open to air.  The 
voltage required for this depends on the distance between electrodes or 'air 
gap' small gap requires lower voltage.  Another way is to have a very high 
voltage which produces a corona.  This is not quite like an arc but does cause 
local ionization of the air around the tip of the sharp electrode. 

Yes UV light can produce ozone (O3) I cannot remember which wavelength but a 
mercury arc lamp produces several spectral peaks and one of them causes ozone 
formation. 

Yes the high  intensity UV light can cause burns to the skin and eyes.  As well 
the ozone is toxic to breathe.  On your last comment I am confused.  You 
realize ozone and O3 are the same thing?  If the lamp claims to produce ozone 
then it is producing O3. If it claims not to produce O3 then it cannot be 
called an ozone lamp!

J

Luke Hansen wrote:
  Excellent. I appreciate all of the input. In the past, I've used UV 
sterylizers in my marine aquaria, but never really had a need for indoor air 
purification. Now I do, so I'm examining my options. First a few 
points/questions...

* very high voltages are required to create O3, correct?
* UV light between certain nanometers creates O3?
* This ozone light could also be harmful to people, as well as eliminating 
airborne pathogens?

A side note, I think that the ozone light brags about its safety, and, in fact, 
states  that it doesn't actually create O3.

Thanks,
Luke

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Yes ozone is a sterilizer and it is 
also unhealthy to breathe.  High voltage arcs produce ozone and also produce 
nitrogen oxides which are not healthy. Mercury arc lamps produce enough UV to 
make ozone for sure. So does a laser printer. Usually arc lamps have an outer 
envelope to keep air away from the actual bulb.  UV lamps bright enough to make 
O3 are dangerous to the eyes.  What else about ozonelet's see, ozone 
disolved in hot deionized water is hell on wheels for anything organic. Works 
like gang busters as a cleaner for semiconductor wafers. Environmentally 
freindly! Liquid ozone is something like nitroglycerine, watch out for that  
one when using cryogenic pumps with oxygen plasmas. Warm them slowly with a 
nitrogen purgedon't let that ball of frozen ozone melt and drip or we'll 
see you in the next world.  I suppose liquid ozone would beat liquid oxygen for 
starting a barbeque...lol  Don't try this at home kids.

Fun with ozone
Joe

Jeromie Reeves wrote:
  
UV light (when powerful enough) can sterilize many things. There are a   number 
of water plants that use UV for  sterilizing. I dunno about the Ozone Lights 
doing much good on the O3   side (namely, is O3 a sterilizing agent?).  I think 
there are better ways to make O3 such as direct electrical arc   (jacobs 
ladder). Some ion machines also  produce O3.Luke Hansen wrote:  
  
Hello all,I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything  about the 
effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess 
 that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill  airborne pathogens. Most 
of the online literature that  I've found goes back to one study that showed 
this  light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in  clinical trials. Anyone 
have experiences with this, or  anything   similiar?Thanks,  Luke

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Re: [Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
not that expensive. Quartz is an industrial material. Sapphire is more 
expensive- look at a multivapor lamp. The discharge is in a sapphire tube.. 
Borosilicate glass filters almost all the short uv and a lot of the longwave 
uv. I used to have some 8 foot quartz tubes. They make ozone quite well.
   
  some small bulbs
  http://www.topbulb.com/find/germicidal.asp
  http://www.topbulb.com/find/uv.asp
  

Luke Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I think that the company that makes these lights just chose Ozone Light 
because it sounded cool to them. Has nothing to do with creation of O3. 

Kirk, What do you mean by opaque? Do you mean that none or some of the UV 
goes through the glass?

And quartz? wouldn't that manufacturing proscess be very expensive...resulting 
in really high retail prices?



Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Its the short uv that produces ozone
  275nm?
  You need the mercury vapor lamps that are made of quartz.
  Glass is opaque to uv.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Luke;

What is required to create ozone electrically is an arc open to air.  The 
voltage required for this depends on the distance between electrodes or 'air 
gap' small gap requires lower voltage.  Another way is to have a very high 
voltage which produces a corona.  This is not quite like an arc but does cause 
local ionization of the air around the tip of the sharp electrode. 

Yes UV light can produce ozone (O3) I cannot remember which wavelength but a 
mercury arc lamp produces several spectral peaks and one of them causes ozone 
formation. 

Yes the high intensity UV light can cause burns to the skin and eyes.  As well 
the ozone is toxic to breathe.  On your last comment I am confused.  You 
realize ozone and O3 are the same thing?  If the lamp claims to produce ozone 
then it is producing O3. If it claims not to produce O3 then it cannot be 
called an ozone lamp!

J

Luke Hansen wrote:
  Excellent. I appreciate all of the input. In the past, I've used UV 
sterylizers in my marine aquaria, but never really had a need for indoor air 
purification. Now I do, so I'm examining my options. First a few 
points/questions...

* very high voltages are required to create O3, correct?
* UV light between certain nanometers creates O3?
* This ozone light could also be harmful to people, as well as eliminating 
airborne pathogens?

A side note, I think that the ozone light brags about its safety, and, in fact, 
states that it doesn't actually create O3.

Thanks,
Luke

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Yes ozone is a sterilizer and it is 
also unhealthy to breathe.  High voltage arcs produce ozone and also produce 
nitrogen oxides which are not healthy. Mercury arc lamps produce enough UV to 
make ozone for sure. So does a laser printer. Usually arc lamps have an outer 
envelope to keep air away from the actual bulb.  UV lamps bright enough to make 
O3 are dangerous to the eyes.  What else about ozonelet's see, ozone 
disolved in hot deionized water is hell on wheels for anything organic. Works 
like gang busters as a cleaner for semiconductor wafers. Environmentally 
freindly! Liquid ozone is something like nitroglycerine, watch out for that one 
when using cryogenic pumps with oxygen plasmas. Warm them slowly with a 
nitrogen purgedon't let that ball of frozen ozone melt and drip or we'll 
see you in the next world.  I suppose liquid ozone would beat liquid oxygen for 
starting a barbeque...lol  Don't try this at home kids.

Fun with ozone
Joe

Jeromie Reeves wrote:
  
UV light (when powerful enough) can sterilize many things. There are a   number 
of water plants that use UV for  sterilizing. I dunno about the Ozone Lights 
doing much good on the O3   side (namely, is O3 a sterilizing agent?).  I think 
there are better ways to make O3 such as direct electrical arc   (jacobs 
ladder). Some ion machines also  produce O3.Luke Hansen wrote:  
  
Hello all,I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything  about the 
effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess 
 that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill  airborne pathogens. Most 
of the online literature that  I've found goes back to one study that showed 
this  light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in  clinical trials. Anyone 
have experiences with this, or  anything   similiar?Thanks,  Luke  

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[Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-14 Thread Wes Moore
Hi Luke:

Any UV light that operates between (I think 230nm to 165nm) will produce
noticeable O3.  this UV spectrum might be referred to as UV E .  the problem
with producing ozone this way is the life span of the bulbs.  They reach
half life rather quickly, perhaps 6 months, after this they are producing
longer wave lengths of UV.  I think cold plasma is a better way to go. I
have one operating with copper  grounding.  The copper has turned dark gray
to black rather than green.  

You may be interested in this article
http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/ozonetoxicity.html .  I think it is more or
less accepted that O3 that is not contaminated with Fe based metals is good
(to a point) metal ductwork perhaps increases the incidence of  NO2.  this
author also speculates the same for high temp corona discharge in air
(nitrogen)

 

Luke Hansen wrote:
Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:31:17 -0800

Hello all,
 
I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything
about the effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess
that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill
airborne pathogens. Most of the online literature that
I've found goes back to one study that showed this
light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in
clinical trials. Anyone have experiences with this, or
anything similar?
 
Thanks,
Luke
 
 
 



 

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Re: [Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
UV light (when powerful enough) can sterilize many things. There are a 
number of water plants that use UV for
sterilizing. I dunno about the Ozone Lights doing much good on the O3 
side (namely, is O3 a sterilizing agent?).
I think there are better ways to make O3 such as direct electrical arc 
(jacobs ladder). Some ion machines also
produce O3.

Luke Hansen wrote:

Hello all,

I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything
about the effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess
that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill
airborne pathogens. Most of the online literature that
I've found goes back to one study that showed this
light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in
clinical trials. Anyone have experiences with this, or
anything similiar?

Thanks,
Luke


 

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[Biofuel] TiO2 (Titanium Dioxide) Lights

2006-12-13 Thread Luke Hansen
Hello all,

I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything
about the effects of these Ozone Lights. I guess
that they don't actually create O3, but they do kill
airborne pathogens. Most of the online literature that
I've found goes back to one study that showed this
light effective in killing E. Coli bacteria in
clinical trials. Anyone have experiences with this, or
anything similiar?

Thanks,
Luke


 

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