[Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil, Mattis said during a panel discussion. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. In a statement, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee praised Mattis as one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders. While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war, Hagee said. Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully, Hagee added. Maj. Jason Johnston, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon (news - web sites), said Hagee did not plan disciplinary action against Mattis. Johnston declined to specify how Hagee had counseled Mattis. During a Pentagon briefing, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld did not criticize Mattis' remarks, saying, I have not read his words. I don't know what he said precisely or the context. 'THE RIGHT EXAMPLE' Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, lauded Mattis' record and leadership. Without explicitly criticizing Mattis, Pace told the briefing, First of all, all of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership. Mattis, formally promoted to three-star general last month, heads the Marine Corps Combat Development Command, at Quantico, Virginia. In November 2001, Mattis proclaimed, We have landed and we now own terrain in south Afghanistan, after Marines took over a desert airstrip. The comment ruffled feathers at the Pentagon, where officials were uneasy with a U.S. general talking about owning Afghanistan. In Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the 2003 invasion and subsequent counterinsurgency operations. Mattis was ordered to lead an assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja in April 2004 after the slaying and mutilation of four American contractors, but U.S. leaders halted the offensive and withdrew his Marines before a decisive showdown. He wrapped up his service in Iraq in August, a spokeswoman said. In November, Marines under different command seized control of the city after the U.S. presidential election. Ford has been pegged to play the role of Mattis in the film version of an upcoming book No True Glory, an account of the April battle for Falluja written by Marine veteran Bing West. Senior Pentagon Intelligence official Lt. Gen. William Boykin referred in 2003 to the struggle against Islamic extremists as a battle with Satan. In a speech, Boykin referred to a Muslim fighter in Somalia, and said, Well, you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol. The Pentagon inspector general concluded in August that Boykin should face appropriate corrective action, and a senior Army general said in October said unspecified action had been taken against Boykin. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil, Mattis said during a panel discussion. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. In a statement, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee praised Mattis as one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders. While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war, Hagee said. Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully, Hagee added. Maj. Jason Johnston, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon (news - web sites), said Hagee did not plan disciplinary action against Mattis. Johnston declined to specify how Hagee had counseled Mattis. During a Pentagon briefing, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld did not criticize Mattis' remarks, saying, I have not read his words. I don't know what he said precisely or the context. 'THE RIGHT EXAMPLE' Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, lauded Mattis' record and leadership. Without explicitly criticizing Mattis, Pace told the briefing, First of all, all of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership. Mattis, formally promoted to three-star general last month, heads the Marine Corps Combat Development Command, at Quantico, Virginia. In November 2001, Mattis proclaimed, We have landed and we now own terrain in south Afghanistan, after Marines took over a desert airstrip. The comment ruffled feathers at the Pentagon, where officials were uneasy with a U.S. general talking about owning Afghanistan. In Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the 2003 invasion and subsequent counterinsurgency operations. Mattis was ordered to lead an assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja in April 2004 after the slaying and mutilation of four American contractors, but U.S. leaders halted the offensive and withdrew his Marines before a decisive showdown. He wrapped up his service in Iraq in August, a spokeswoman said. In November, Marines under different command seized control of the city after the U.S. presidential election. Ford has been pegged to play the role of Mattis in the film version of an upcoming book No True Glory, an account of the April battle for Falluja written by Marine veteran Bing West. Senior Pentagon Intelligence official Lt. Gen. William Boykin referred in 2003 to the struggle against Islamic extremists as a battle with Satan. In a speech, Boykin referred to a Muslim fighter in Somalia, and said, Well, you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol. The Pentagon inspector general concluded in August that Boykin should face appropriate corrective action, and a senior Army general said in October said unspecified action had been taken against Boykin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
For perspective let's read it, The Ayatolla Hazim said,'At times the killing of innocents is a pleasurable experience' . What kind of uproar would THAT cause ? The US media would be all over it as proof that they deserve to be invaded and destroyed due to their lack of respect for the sanctity of life, ect, ect, ect. The man is sick in his soul, although he is no different than the US soldier who used a wounded man as target practice and after he was dead declared Wow, that was awesome! or the Marine shooting to death an unarmed man in a Mosque or Apache pilots turning their 30mm cannons on degenseless farmers ect, ect,ect.And of course he will not be disciplined because then they would have to discipline the entire lot of them, and we just couldn't have the troops, our kids having their moral abased by such things as a moral question of being a basic human being now could we ? Winning hearts and minds and bringing democracy and freedom American style, what's not to love ? Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People' Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. If indeed he has been doing that and it's not just vicarious (even sicker?) - a senior U.S. Marine Corps general? How much frontline action does he ever see? Right there in the firing line? Maybe... The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hmph - the kind that grows from the barrel of a gun maybe, give him a dose of his own medicine... No, I don't really mean that - an eye for a tooth doesn't get us anywhere except rapidly backwards. Regards Keith Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
Luc, This winning the hearts and minds, has to be the ones in glass jars, if it could be achieved. Winning the hearts and minds is propaganda for US consumption, it is an extremely naive and stupid phrase. If you make a simple mathematics and relate to your own feelings to discover that. As I said before, the age distribution of the population is awfully skewed in todays Iraq, with over 80% women, children and elderly. Three wars took and frightening toll with hundreds of thousand in mass graves. The estimates are 300,000, only killed by Americans in the two Gulf wars. If you look at behavioral statistics for the humans, the mathematics goes like this, - On average a person will have and can manage around 10 very close relationship on the level of family and relatives. The 300,000 killed, represent 3 million who lost a family member, killed by US. If anyone killed members of your family, how good is the chance that you are more inclined to join the resistance, instead of giving the killers your hearts and mind? - On average a person have around 30 close friends, with frequent contacts. The 300,00 killed, represent that around 9 million people lost a friend, killed by US. If anyone killed your friend, how good is the chance that you are more inclined to join the resistance, instead of giving the killers your hearts and mind? - On average a person have around 60 people, that he/she know and have infrequent contacts with. The 300,000 killed, represent that around 18 million people knew someone killed by US. If anyone killed someone you knew, how good is the chance that you are more inclined to join the resistance, instead of giving the killers your hearts and mind? If you only think about the above, almost all Iraqis have been touched by a killing performed by US and that my argument about naivety and stupidity in the sentence winning the hears and minds of the Iraqi people have merits. It also give some possible perspectives on the insurgent activities. Hakan At 12:39 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: G'day Hakan/Peter; For perspective let's read it, The Ayatolla Hazim said,'At times the killing of innocents is a pleasurable experience' . What kind of uproar would THAT cause ? The US media would be all over it as proof that they deserve to be invaded and destroyed due to their lack of respect for the sanctity of life, ect, ect, ect. The man is sick in his soul, although he is no different than the US soldier who used a wounded man as target practice and after he was dead declared Wow, that was awesome! or the Marine shooting to death an unarmed man in a Mosque or Apache pilots turning their 30mm cannons on degenseless farmers ect, ect,ect.And of course he will not be disciplined because then they would have to discipline the entire lot of them, and we just couldn't have the troops, our kids having their moral abased by such things as a moral question of being a basic human being now could we ? Winning hearts and minds and bringing democracy and freedom American style, what's not to love ? Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People' Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
You would think that the current administration and their so-called Culture of Life talking heads would be up in arms over this clown's statements. Too bad the Culture of Life was ever good enough for anyone in the Middle East. Disgusting, fred On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:00:27 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. If indeed he has been doing that and it's not just vicarious (even sicker?) - a senior U.S. Marine Corps general? How much frontline action does he ever see? Right there in the firing line? Maybe... The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hmph - the kind that grows from the barrel of a gun maybe, give him a dose of his own medicine... No, I don't really mean that - an eye for a tooth doesn't get us anywhere except rapidly backwards. Regards Keith Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
