Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
From the sound of this there might be a lot of low income housing on the block for folks that can't afford to drive 90 miles a day. Although theres probably folks who find this esthetically appealing like me who love the surroundings. But I'm not particularly interested in a desert view location at this time. I'm rather fond of the silos, church steeples and water towers of the U.S. Midwest not to mention the power pole wires and mailboxes along the roadways. I guess its all necessary. There are a few wind mills and turbine farms I like to sit and watch but there out in the countryside. It seems this story is about the needs of urban and rural living and where they meet. -Mark H. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Interesting... I had never heard of this before, but I have seen studies of various low level consistent background noises in offices causing health problems, and I guess this is the same issue. Personally, I find traffic, and central heating and cooling, annoying because of the noise but so far my own wind turbines (much smaller than these) haven't driven me nuts :) I find they actually have a positive psychological effect, because otherwise, weeks on end of blowing snow gets kind of depressing... but when you see all the power yoiu can extract from it... it's better. Odd that none of the people who objected to the wind turbines based on purely aesthetics had any suggestions on other ways to get electricity for their beautiful retirement homes with great views are they using any electricity from the power grid that keeps needing more and more generation sources from new houses being added? Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1218250522129010.xmlcoll=7 Wind whips up health fears ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Did I forget to mention all those trees blocking my view and the sound of squirrels and birds and the russelling of wind blown leaves and vehicle traffic rushing by. I think its giving me a headache. Oh, and those kids and tv and radio . . . ;-) -Hoagy MH wrote: From the sound of this there might be a lot of low income housing on the block for folks that can't afford to drive 90 miles a day. Although theres probably folks who find this esthetically appealing like me who love the surroundings. But I'm not particularly interested in a desert view location at this time. I'm rather fond of the silos, church steeples and water towers of the U.S. Midwest not to mention the power pole wires and mailboxes along the roadways. I guess its all necessary. There are a few wind mills and turbine farms I like to sit and watch but there out in the countryside. It seems this story is about the needs of urban and rural living and where they meet. -Mark H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Why I think I'll just shut my doors and windows and turn on the air conditioner and listen to some soft music or the news and see if its any better elsewhere. -Hoagy MH wrote: Did I forget to mention all those trees blocking my view and the sound of squirrels and birds and the russelling of wind blown leaves and vehicle traffic rushing by. I think its giving me a headache. Oh, and those kids and tv and radio . . . ;-) -Hoagy ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
I'm sorry folks. I think I'm getting hysterical. Perhaps the medical profession can help me. Maybe they'll recommend someplace nice and quiet out in the country. Where theres not to many people and commotion going on. Otherwise I think I'll just become depressed. Damn Murphy's Law. -Hoagy MH wrote: Why I think I'll just shut my doors and windows and turn on the air conditioner and listen to some soft music or the news and see if its any better elsewhere. -Hoagy MH wrote: Did I forget to mention all those trees blocking my view and the sound of squirrels and birds and the russelling of wind blown leaves and vehicle traffic rushing by. I think its giving me a headache. Oh, and those kids and tv and radio . . . ;-) -Hoagy MH wrote: From the sound of this there might be a lot of low income housing on the block for folks that can't afford to drive 90 miles a day. Although theres probably folks who find this esthetically appealing like me who love the surroundings. But I'm not particularly interested in a desert view location at this time. I'm rather fond of the silos, church steeples and water towers of the U.S. Midwest not to mention the power pole wires and mailboxes along the roadways. I guess its all necessary. There are a few wind mills and turbine farms I like to sit and watch but there out in the countryside. It seems this story is about the needs of urban and rural living and where they meet. -Mark H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1218250522129010.xmlcoll=7 Wind whips up health fears Hundreds of giant turbines in the Oregon desert will bring power, but residents nearby raise concerns about health effects and an end to their quiet way of life Sunday, August 10, 2008 RICHARD COCKLE The Oregonian Staff BOARDMAN -- Sherry Eaton pulled into the driveway of her rural, high-desert home to see one of several giant wind turbines being assembled a half-mile away. I started to cry, Eaton, 57, recalled of her first sight of the Willow Creek Wind Project in late July. They're going to be hanging over the back of our house, and now there's the medical thing. The medical thing is new research suggesting that living close to wind turbines, as Eaton and her 60-year old husband, Mike, soon will be doing, can cause sleep disorders, difficulty with equilibrium, headaches, childhood night terrors and other health problems. Dozens of wind turbines are taking shape along Oregon 74, a designated Oregon Scenic Byway, near the home the Eatons have shared for 19 years. Dr. Nina Pierpont of Malone, N.Y., coined the phrase wind turbine syndrome for what she says happens to some people living near wind energy farms. She has made the phrase part of the title of a book she's written called Wind Turbine Syndrome: A Report on the Natural Experiment. It is scheduled for publication next month by K-Selected Press, of Santa Fe, N.M. In contrast to those who consider wind turbines clean, green and an ideal source of renewable energy, Pierpont says living or working too close to them has a downside. Her research says wind turbines should never be built closer than two miles from homes. Pierpont, 53, is a 1991 graduate of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and has a doctorate in population biology from Princeton University. Her interest was piqued by a wind farm being built near her upstate New York home, and she studied 10 families living near wind turbines built since 2004 in Canada, England, Ireland, Italy and the United States. Effect on inner ear Pierpont's findings suggest that low-frequency noise and vibration generated by wind machines can have an effect on the inner ear, triggering headaches; difficulty sleeping; tinnitus, or ringing in the ears; learning and mood disorders; panic attacks; irritability; disruption of equilibrium, concentration and memory; and childhood behavior problems. Concerns also are coming out of Europe about low-frequency noise from newly built wind turbines. For example, British physician Amanda Harry, in a February 2007 article titled Wind Turbines, Noise and Health, wrote of 39 people, including residents of New Zealand and Australia, who suffered from the sounds emitted by wind turbines. According to Pierpont, eight of the 10 families in her study moved out of their homes. All these problems were resolved as soon as these people got away from the turbines, got in the car and drove away from the house, she said. Mike Logsdon, director of development for Invenergy, developer of the 48 wind turbines under construction in the Willow Creek Wind Project, said he's heard of Pierpont's findings, but his 5-year-old company doesn't find them credible. We've had a number of other wind farms over the country and residents living by them and never had any problems, Logsdon said. Invenergy has built and operates wind farms in Canada and Poland and in 12 states in the United States, Logsdon said. The company has 1,200 megawatts in production and is building 600 megawatts this year. The 72-megawatt Willow Creek Wind Project near the Eatons' home is scheduled to start producing electricity Jan. 1. If Pierpont's theories gain acceptance, decisions on where future wind energy farms are built could be affected. Last year, more than one-third of all new power capacity in the United States, roughly 5,000 megawatts, was generated by wind turbines, said Joseph Beamon, spokesman for the U.S. Department of Energy in Washington, D.C. Demand will grow Meanwhile, a U.S. Department of Energy report said demand for electricity is likely to grow 40 percent in the next 22 years in the United States alone, with 20 percent of the nation's power generated by wind turbines, he said. The Eatons and their neighbors have more to worry about than the Willow Creek Project. Approval was given July 25 by the Oregon Facilities Siting Council for construction of as many as 400 more wind turbines in the nearby Shepherds Flat Wind Project spanning parts of Gilliam and Morrow counties. The planned 909-megawatt project by Caithness Energy of Chicago is expected to be the largest wind farm on Earth, generating enough peak energy to power 225,000 homes. Man, this whole country is going to be windmills, said a dismayed Denny Wade, 59, a railroad worker and neighbor of the Eatons. He and his wife, Lorrie, a 53-year-old schoolteacher in
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Interesting... I had never heard of this before, but I have seen studies of various low level consistent background noises in offices causing health problems, and I guess this is the same issue. Personally, I find traffic, and central heating and cooling, annoying because of the noise but so far my own wind turbines (much smaller than these) haven't driven me nuts :) I find they actually have a positive psychological effect, because otherwise, weeks on end of blowing snow gets kind of depressing... but when you see all the power yoiu can extract from it... it's better. Odd that none of the people who objected to the wind turbines based on purely aesthetics had any suggestions on other ways to get electricity for their beautiful retirement homes with great views are they using any electricity from the power grid that keeps needing more and more generation sources from new houses being added? Z On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1218250522129010.xmlcoll=7 Wind whips up health fears Hundreds of giant turbines in the Oregon desert will bring power, but residents nearby raise concerns about health effects and an end to their quiet way of life Sunday, August 10, 2008 RICHARD COCKLE The Oregonian Staff BOARDMAN -- Sherry Eaton pulled into the driveway of her rural, high-desert home to see one of several giant wind turbines being assembled a half-mile away. I started to cry, Eaton, 57, recalled of her first sight of the Willow Creek Wind Project in late July. They're going to be hanging over the back of our house, and now there's the medical thing. The medical thing is new research suggesting that living close to wind turbines, as Eaton and her 60-year old husband, Mike, soon will be doing, can cause sleep disorders, difficulty with equilibrium, headaches, childhood night terrors and other health problems. Dozens of wind turbines are taking shape along Oregon 74, a designated Oregon Scenic Byway, near the home the Eatons have shared for 19 years. Dr. Nina Pierpont of Malone, N.Y., coined the phrase wind turbine syndrome for what she says happens to some people living near wind energy farms. She has made the phrase part of the title of a book she's written called Wind Turbine Syndrome: A Report on the Natural Experiment. It is scheduled for publication next month by K-Selected Press, of Santa Fe, N.M. In contrast to those who consider wind turbines clean, green and an ideal source of renewable energy, Pierpont says living or working too close to them has a downside. Her research says wind turbines should never be built closer than two miles from homes. Pierpont, 53, is a 1991 graduate of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and has a doctorate in population biology from Princeton University. Her interest was piqued by a wind farm being built near her upstate New York home, and she studied 10 families living near wind turbines built since 2004 in Canada, England, Ireland, Italy and the United States. Effect on inner ear Pierpont's findings suggest that low-frequency noise and vibration generated by wind machines can have an effect on the inner ear, triggering headaches; difficulty sleeping; tinnitus, or ringing in the ears; learning and mood disorders; panic attacks; irritability; disruption of equilibrium, concentration and memory; and childhood behavior problems. Concerns also are coming out of Europe about low-frequency noise from newly built wind turbines. For example, British physician Amanda Harry, in a February 2007 article titled Wind Turbines, Noise and Health, wrote of 39 people, including residents of New Zealand and Australia, who suffered from the sounds emitted by wind turbines. According to Pierpont, eight of the 10 families in her study moved out of their homes. All these problems were resolved as soon as these people got away from the turbines, got in the car and drove away from the house, she said. Mike Logsdon, director of development for Invenergy, developer of the 48 wind turbines under construction in the Willow Creek Wind Project, said he's heard of Pierpont's findings, but his 5-year-old company doesn't find them credible. We've had a number of other wind farms over the country and residents living by them and never had any problems, Logsdon said. Invenergy has built and operates wind farms in Canada and Poland and in 12 states in the United States, Logsdon said. The company has 1,200 megawatts in production and is building 600 megawatts this year. The 72-megawatt Willow Creek Wind Project near the Eatons' home is scheduled to start producing electricity Jan. 1. If Pierpont's theories gain acceptance, decisions on where future wind energy farms are built could be affected. Last year, more than one-third of all new power capacity in the United States, roughly 5,000 megawatts, was
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Keith Addison wrote: http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1218250522129010.xmlcoll=7 Wind whips up health fears snip Just watched some footage of a wind generator in Denmark that didn't hold up to a hurricane strength storm... it was very dramatic. The announcer is speaking German, but the footage tells quite a story for those who don't understand the language. www.spiegel.de/video/video-33749.html doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Yeah... I've seen that one before. Looks like they lost the controls or the brake or something. I've seen smaller ones (like 8 foot diameter) get destroyed in high winds here in Colorado, 120mph gusts coming off the divide type stuff, but never the big ones. Usually they are placed in areas with more consistent, and less extreme, winds. Z On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM, doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison wrote: http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1218250522129010.xmlcoll=7 Wind whips up health fears snip Just watched some footage of a wind generator in Denmark that didn't hold up to a hurricane strength storm... it was very dramatic. The announcer is speaking German, but the footage tells quite a story for those who don't understand the language. www.spiegel.de/video/video-33749.html doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080815/9ff8225c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Zeke Yewdall wrote: Yeah... I've seen that one before. Looks like they lost the controls or the brake or something. I've seen smaller ones (like 8 foot diameter) get destroyed in high winds here in Colorado, 120mph gusts coming off the divide type stuff, but never the big ones. Usually they are placed in areas with more consistent, and less extreme, winds. Z Indeed, I have no doubt that placement is vital. I don't know that Denmark has a lot of options in that respect, compared to the variety of locales available in the USA. I suppose if they were locked down, or had some sort of governor in place that wouldn't let it go into destructive-flywheel-mode it might have held up. The commentator did mention that this is the second in a short period of time. Perhaps a design flaw or oversight, but it occurs to me that with the changes we're experiencing in climate, no one can know for sure what extremes will hit in any area on the planet within just the next 10 years or so. doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
