Re: [Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited) Hi Jason For those interested in self-certification, a model of grassroots alternative to USDA Organic that has gone global is Certified Naturally Grown. Might be worth looking into. Yes, CNG - Compressed Natural Gas, ulp. :-) Quite a lot of argument at SANET about it recently. You can see it here, see: 27. Certified Naturally Grown vs. USDA? http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A1=ind0603L=sanet-mg SANET-MG Archives - March 2006 Best Keith Jason West New Paltz, NY On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote: I am going to bring up an old post (February- lets accredit ourselves) because I read the entire thread in the archives and didn't see any real decision. Why don't we form a public trade group? It would be huge, given the scale and reach of our mailing list alone. It should set off a ripple that would bring all the private 'fuellers out of the woodwork to support or at least parallel our cause. Hi Jason Unless my memory errs there were objections and no consensus. Not the first time, I think the first such proposal was four or five years ago. Two things, as to accreditation. One, if this site is sole property then it has a resale value, no worries on that score. At present it works, it helps, offers a place to voice plus it expands my thinking for one without wading through the front cover, the dedications and the rest that come in books that take several months to get here. Would like to know with clarity either way. As could be construed by the message below. I'm one of the objectors, by the way. That's neither here nor there until it comes to the matter of using the Biofuel list as a vehicle to extend the scale and reach of a public trade group, which could include identifying the one with the other, for one thing. The Biofuel list is not up for grabs for such purposes, or certainly not just automatically anyway. Two, accreditation does not necessarily needs be confined to the considered borders inherent in accreditation boundaries. This can bring up a point in lobbying, as has been discussed till death, perhaps? To have a non paying registered membership, that is those from the Global community that want can register under their true names to add meaning as a Global voice/group. This would be an option for each individual to join if they wanted to be part of a list that could help instigate long term change for the better, even short term would give breathing space. Or perhaps in years to come it will just make job hunting difficult as the members would be listed in a non-friendly un-sustainable list initiated by third parties. Here in resides yet another small equation. If a person or persons of prominence want to speak out and by doing so would put themselves and family in the cross hairs wants to join, can they do this under an alias on the proviso that their actual name is retained by the list owner or with no record at all? Or is this already the case? The 50's and 60's saw the forming of many who wanted out and to this end joined communes and the likes. Only trouble was the commune was only as good as the governance, not many of those that sprung up in such short period of time have lasted. Some that have lasted are either based on religion or governed by company by-laws and articles of associations or both. The free for alls seem to have all but dissipated into the ethos. Trusting this site is based on one or the other or both, don't need to know, don't even need an answer just need to know that there are multitudes out there that want sustainability accountability, education, justice and empathy for all. Change will come behind voices, once the voices wake up. To actually be accredited as individuals for making fuel and passing tests. WOW I can see many openings for multitudes of new arms for buddies positions in the UN/WB/ADB/EU not to mention the US. This would then increase taxes or the tax consumption rate, add more paperwork, waist time and really lead to no place than to kill the initiatives of those those that don't have a S S in H of ever getting 2 cents together for registering. We have just produced a local language booklet with warnings etc on Ethanol production for individual family use and manufacture, no instruments, no meters of any kind. Trialed it many times and so far all batches have worked in the same engines. The idea is to let the small scale farmer make their own fuel without the EU/US/UN/WB/ADB being involved. I for one do not want yet more regulatory authorities filled with non-taxpaying bungling manipulating buddies using my taxes checking up any of my pipes. Much better I do my own checking and rely on sites like this as an information expressway to guide me to guide others that are unable
Re: [Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)
I am going to bring up an old post (February- lets accredit ourselves) because I read the entire thread in the archives and didn't see any real decision. Why don't we form a public trade group? It would be huge, given the scale and reach of our mailing list alone. It should set off a ripple that would bring all the private 'fuellers out of the woodwork to support or at least parallel our cause. Hi Jason Unless my memory errs there were objections and no consensus. Not the first time, I think the first such proposal was four or five years ago. I'm one of the objectors, by the way. That's neither here nor there until it comes to the matter of using the Biofuel list as a vehicle to extend the scale and reach of a public trade group, which could include identifying the one with the other, for one thing. The Biofuel list is not up for grabs for such purposes, or certainly not just automatically anyway. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)
For those interested in self-certification, a model of grassroots alternative to USDA Organic that has gone global is Certified Naturally Grown. Might be worth looking into. Jason West New Paltz, NY On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote: I am going to bring up an old post (February- lets accredit ourselves) because I read the entire thread in the archives and didn't see any real decision. Why don't we form a public trade group? It would be huge, given the scale and reach of our mailing list alone. It should set off a ripple that would bring all the private 'fuellers out of the woodwork to support or at least parallel our cause. Hi Jason Unless my memory errs there were objections and no consensus. Not the first time, I think the first such proposal was four or five years ago. I'm one of the objectors, by the way. That's neither here nor there until it comes to the matter of using the Biofuel list as a vehicle to extend the scale and reach of a public trade group, which could include identifying the one with the other, for one thing. The Biofuel list is not up for grabs for such purposes, or certainly not just automatically anyway. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Jason 'If we don't do the impossible, we shall be faced with the unthinkable'. - Petra Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)
Hi Jason For those interested in self-certification, a model of grassroots alternative to USDA Organic that has gone global is Certified Naturally Grown. Might be worth looking into. Yes, CNG - Compressed Natural Gas, ulp. :-) Quite a lot of argument at SANET about it recently. You can see it here, see: 27. Certified Naturally Grown vs. USDA? http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A1=ind0603L=sanet-mg SANET-MG Archives - March 2006 Best Keith Jason West New Paltz, NY On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote: I am going to bring up an old post (February- lets accredit ourselves) because I read the entire thread in the archives and didn't see any real decision. Why don't we form a public trade group? It would be huge, given the scale and reach of our mailing list alone. It should set off a ripple that would bring all the private 'fuellers out of the woodwork to support or at least parallel our cause. Hi Jason Unless my memory errs there were objections and no consensus. Not the first time, I think the first such proposal was four or five years ago. I'm one of the objectors, by the way. That's neither here nor there until it comes to the matter of using the Biofuel list as a vehicle to extend the scale and reach of a public trade group, which could include identifying the one with the other, for one thing. The Biofuel list is not up for grabs for such purposes, or certainly not just automatically anyway. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)
I am going to bring up an old post (February- lets accredit ourselves) because I read the entire thread in the archives and didn't see any real decision. Why don't we form a public trade group? It would be huge, given the scale and reach of our mailing list alone. It should set off a ripple that would bring all the private 'fuellers out of the woodwork to support or at least parallel our cause. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
