Re: [Biofuel] an apology
Mike, Thanks and you have done no harm in any way. Hakan At 22:18 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago. Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks and baseless political positions in response to messages from Hakan and Keith. Whatever my reasons, the remarks I made had no place in the biofuels group and I sincerely apologize. Most of all, I apologize to Hakan and Keith for being the recipients of such messages. They were angry, antagonistic, and offered no contribution except to poison the culture within the group. I hope to make it up to you. Respectfully, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] an apology
Besides, if only the rest of the US has as much personal insight and ability to say I made a mistake and I'm sorry -Weaver Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Thanks and you have done no harm in any way. Hakan At 22:18 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago. Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks and baseless political positions in response to messages from Hakan and Keith. Whatever my reasons, the remarks I made had no place in the biofuels group and I sincerely apologize. Most of all, I apologize to Hakan and Keith for being the recipients of such messages. They were angry, antagonistic, and offered no contribution except to poison the culture within the group. I hope to make it up to you. Respectfully, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] an apology
And thank you Hakan, that was graceful and well done. You are gentlemen in addition to being a scholar. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Thanks and you have done no harm in any way. Hakan At 22:18 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago. Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks and baseless political positions in response to messages from Hakan and Keith. Whatever my reasons, the remarks I made had no place in the biofuels group and I sincerely apologize. Most of all, I apologize to Hakan and Keith for being the recipients of such messages. They were angry, antagonistic, and offered no contribution except to poison the culture within the group. I hope to make it up to you. Respectfully, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] an apology
Hi Mike Thanks, but no apology necessary on my part. Namaste Keith Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago. Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks and baseless political positions in response to messages from Hakan and Keith. Whatever my reasons, the remarks I made had no place in the biofuels group and I sincerely apologize. Most of all, I apologize to Hakan and Keith for being the recipients of such messages. They were angry, antagonistic, and offered no contribution except to poison the culture within the group. I hope to make it up to you. Respectfully, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] an apology
Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago. Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks and baseless political positions in response to messages from Hakan and Keith. Whatever my reasons, the remarks I made had no place in the biofuels group and I sincerely apologize. Most of all, I apologize to Hakan and Keith for being the recipients of such messages. They were angry, antagonistic, and offered no contribution except to poison the culture within the group. I hope to make it up to you. Respectfully, Mike Redler ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] an apology
On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Mike Redler wrote: Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks Apology accepted (even tho it was never MYSELF who might've been offended :-)), with thanks.. Over the past several months I've been lying low on the list, just because I'm so bummed out about a lot of things that my responses would usually be too toxic for general consumption. It's comforting (in a perverse way) to know that others are similarly afflicted. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] an apology
At times we all go through periods of stress or depression. On another (motorcycle) list I am on, we had a member suicide. Looking back now I can see the pain this particular person went through. It is incredibly difficult to reach people through the net to help them, and the geographical distances make matters worse. I am glad that Mike is coming to terms with his problems, and I feel this is the start of the real healing process. I personally have suffered from Depression in the last few years (That was to do with feeling 'trapped' in a job (being in the country) and having a boss that was playing nasty psychological games with his staff. I had always been one to dismiss depression as something that people should be able to 'get out of', but having been there myself, I found it extremely psychologically debilitating. The reason I brought this up is that when one is suffering from stress, depression, etc, one of the ways it manifests itself to the outside world is as aggression. This aggression is often mental, not physical. Anyway, Mike, if you have read this far I hope that you can get from me that there is always hope. There are a number of sites on the web explaining some elements of what we may feel at some times. (Google around a bit). However the main thing is that we are all friends, and if anyone feels that some things they wish to discuss are not suitable for the list, I am sure that personal contact via email is appropriate. regards Doug On Tuesday 06 June 2006 9:36, Ken Provost wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Mike Redler wrote: Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks Apology accepted (even tho it was never MYSELF who might've been offended :-)), with thanks.. Over the past several months I've been lying low on the list, just because I'm so bummed out about a lot of things that my responses would usually be too toxic for general consumption. It's comforting (in a perverse way) to know that others are similarly afflicted. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] an apology
anyone who was insulted/offended/irritated etc. by my anti fuel tax post, i didnt consider the audience and i apologize for it, sorry guys. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] an apology
I can't speak for Keith or anyone else but, (IMO) if you present your position in a way that reveals facts logic and reason, the only ones who are offended are those who would prefer not to believe it. It also oftenmeans that you have made a compelling argument.my $.02Mike Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone who was insulted/offended/irritated etc. by my anti fuel tax post, ididnt consider the audience and i apologize for it, sorry guys.---[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
