Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?
Uh huh and what happens when you breathe them? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: [0]navalynt writes New Scientist reports that the Department of Energy has filed a patent for [1]hydrogen fuel balls. From the article 'The proposed glass microspheres would each be a few millionths of a metre (microns) wide with a hollow center containing specks of palladium. The walls of each sphere would also have pores just a few ten-billionths of a metre in diameter.' They are supposedly safe and small enough to be pumped into a fuel tank in the same manner as gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?
I guess we will all just have a BALL, LOL. OK, I guess it's not really funny after all. GOOD Question I just wrote a published paper late last year on the hazards of NanoTech particles on just this sort of item. Mike McGinness Joe Street wrote: Uh huh and what happens when you breathe them? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: [0]navalynt writes New Scientist reports that the Department of Energy has filed a patent for [1]hydrogen fuel balls. From the article 'The proposed glass microspheres would each be a few millionths of a metre (microns) wide with a hollow center containing specks of palladium. The walls of each sphere would also have pores just a few ten-billionths of a metre in diameter.' They are supposedly safe and small enough to be pumped into a fuel tank in the same manner as gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?
Hi Mike; You and I have something in common then. The university I work for has just launched an undergraduate program called nanotechnology engineering. Quite the laugh since the engineers are waay behind the scientists in nanotech, but it was part of an initiative to get status and therefore money, being the first university in the world to launch such a program. We don't even have a grad program yet, but I digress.. You know about the risks of playing with particles that are able to easily go inside cell walls then. I personally feel we should have a moratorium on this technology for a while until we know more but then I feel that way about genetic research too, and a lot of stuff actually. But the forces of the capitalist charade will see to it that we discover our mistakes when they are in our faces rather than beforehand sigh I had some glass microspheres about a decade ago and there were warnings all over it about inhalation risks, and these were not even hollow with palladium inside just solid glass. Joe Mike McGinness wrote: I guess we will all just have a BALL, LOL. OK, I guess it's not really funny after all. GOOD Question I just wrote a published paper late last year on the hazards of NanoTech particles on just this sort of item. Mike McGinness Joe Street wrote: Uh huh and what happens when you breathe them? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: [0]navalynt writes New Scientist reports that the Department of Energy has filed a patent for [1]hydrogen fuel balls. From the article 'The proposed glass microspheres would each be a few millionths of a metre (microns) wide with a hollow center containing specks of palladium. The walls of each sphere would also have pores just a few ten-billionths of a metre in diameter.' They are supposedly safe and small enough to be pumped into a fuel tank in the same manner as gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?
goodness, gracious great balls o' fire... Would a moratorium on nanotechnology involve glass beads with diameters of a few microns. this really is large compared to nanoscale Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike; You and I have something in common then. The university I work for has just launched an undergraduate program called nanotechnology engineering. Quite the laugh since the engineers are waay behind the scientists in nanotech, but it was part of an initiative to get status and therefore money, being the first university in the world to launch such a program. We don't even have a grad program yet, but I digress.. You know about the risks of playing with particles that are able to easily go inside cell walls then. I personally feel we should have a moratorium on this technology for a while until we know more but then I feel that way about genetic research too, and a lot of stuff actually. But the forces of the capitalist charade will see to it that we discover our mistakes when they are in our faces rather than beforehand sigh I had some glass microspheres about a decade ago and there were warnings all over it about inhalation risks, and these were not even hollow with palladium inside just solid glass. Joe Mike McGinness wrote: I guess we will all just have a BALL, LOL. OK, I guess it's not really funny after all. GOOD Question I just wrote a published paper late last year on the hazards of NanoTech particles on just this sort of item. Mike McGinness Joe Street wrote: Uh huh and what happens when you breathe them? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: [0]navalynt writes New Scientist reports that the Department of Energy has filed a patent for [1]hydrogen fuel balls. From the article 'The proposed glass microspheres would each be a few millionths of a metre (microns) wide with a hollow center containing specks of palladium. The walls of each sphere would also have pores just a few ten-billionths of a metre in diameter.' They are supposedly safe and small enough to be pumped into a fuel tank in the same manner as gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?
No and now that I read my post back I realise how that inference could come out of it. My comments were in regard to nanoscale particles which can pass through cell membranes. The micron sized particles are a respiratory hazard just as asbesdos or other fine particles can be. I guess I combined both ideas in one thread since Mike commented on his paper about nanoscale particles. Nanoscale particles could be a hazard to any cell they come in contact with skin, plant, bacteria, or otherwise. Just check into depleted uranium and it's oxides to get a glimpse into the issue. A prof here got into a lot of hot water with the US authorities over his research into it a few years ago. Many life processes are colloidal and we are entering into an era where the insides of cells of living tissues will be exposed to things that are unprecedented in evolutionary history. A great time to let things be guided by market forces eh? Sorry for the confusion. Joe bob allen wrote: goodness, gracious great balls o' fire... Would a moratorium on nanotechnology involve glass beads with diameters of a few microns. this really is large compared to nanoscale Joe Street wrote: Hi Mike; You and I have something in common then. The university I work for has just launched an undergraduate program called nanotechnology engineering. Quite the laugh since the engineers are waay behind the scientists in nanotech, but it was part of an initiative to get status and therefore money, being the first university in the world to launch such a program. We don't even have a grad program yet, but I digress.. You know about the risks of playing with particles that are able to easily go inside cell walls then. I personally feel we should have a moratorium on this technology for a while until we know more but then I feel that way about genetic research too, and a lot of stuff actually. But the forces of the capitalist charade will see to it that we discover our mistakes when they are in our faces rather than beforehand sigh I had some glass microspheres about a decade ago and there were warnings all over it about inhalation risks, and these were not even hollow with palladium inside just solid glass. Joe Mike McGinness wrote: I guess we will all just have a BALL, LOL. OK, I guess it's not really funny after all. GOOD Question I just wrote a published paper late last year on the hazards of NanoTech particles on just this sort of item. Mike McGinness Joe Street wrote: Uh huh and what happens when you breathe them? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: [0]navalynt writes New Scientist reports that the Department of Energy has filed a patent for [1]hydrogen fuel balls. From the article 'The proposed glass microspheres would each be a few millionths of a metre (microns) wide with a hollow center containing specks of palladium. The walls of each sphere would also have pores just a few ten-billionths of a metre in diameter.' They are supposedly safe and small enough to be pumped into a fuel tank in the same manner as gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] hydrogen fuel balls from a gas pump?
| Hydrogen Fuel Balls from a Gas Pump? || from the quite-a-racket dept. || posted by ScuttleMonkey on Monday May 22, @22:29 (Power) || http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/22/2158216 |++[0]navalynt writes "New Scientist reports that the Department of Energyhas filed a patent for [1]hydrogen fuel balls. From the article 'Theproposed glass microspheres would each be a few millionths of a metre(microns) wide with a hollow center containing specks of palladium. Thewalls of each sphere would also have pores just a few ten-billionths of ametre in diameter.' They are supposedly safe and small enough to bepumped into a fuel tank in the same manner as gasoline."Discuss this story at: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=06/05/22/2158216Links: 0. mailto:MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.f303.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.f303.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. http://www.newscientist.com/blog/invention/ Blab-away for as little as 1ยข/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
