Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
Sorry for the late post, just caught this thread. I am currently going through this process with the IRS, and the guy that called me was very harsh, and asked if I knew that I had to be registered with the EPA, and that the fuel had to meet spec (even though on my application I specified 50 gallon a month). When I mentioned it was for self-use only, his tone changed. I expressed that I just want to be legal, but also wanted to collect the tax credit ($.50 a gallon for WVO). He admitted that he had to do some research, and said "This is new for everyone."... I expect to hear back within the next week of so... Personally I don't think it's fair to pay the road tax(es); if I can not collect / get credit for the incentives... Cheers! S DHAJOGLO wrote: Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an "additive?" -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
Double taxation! That's a good point Thor. Thor Burfine wrote: Well lets see 12,000 miles a year @ 42 mpg thats 285 gallons but wait blend it and you have B20 185 *.2 = 57 gallons only half was used on the road 57 / 2 = 28.5 @ 22.5 cents a gallon = $6.41 Send it to them in pennies, good gooey pennies like the ones you get from a kid eating ice cream Better yet, tell them you paid the tax when you bought the oil from WalMart They are the ones collecting the Tax on the veggie oil you bought and therfor its dual taxation if you have to pay tax for using it Oh wait, this is Arkansas the home of Wallyworld, that will be fun. From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:25 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh Hey Bob, I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thingand that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on "defense"). If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure. :-) - Redler P.S. I went to http://www.ozarker.org/and noticed that there is no "Recreational Bob" link. Shame on you. bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tax applies to any fuel produced and used on-road. I don't have the letter here in front of me, but as I recall it wanted to know how much I produced total and how much was used as on-road motor fuel. The tax is retroactive for 2005. DHAJOGLO wrote: Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an "additive?" -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
An interesting tidbit of information on this If the U.S. Government is spending 750 billion on defense, they are spending on defense roughly every U.S. Dollar in circulation worldwide. In April of 2000 the Treasury estimated the total U.S. Currency in circulation worldwide was 600 billion. Yet our government manages to spend more than that every year. Isnt it nice to not be bound by laws and be able to call a budget balanced simply because you make your budgeted amount match your actual expenditures? (Note this doesnt mean balancing expenditures with receipts in government, just making sure you only are spending what you say youre going to spend Thats a Balanced Budget ) Thats just my quick comment. Back to the tax requirements, Im not sure about other states, but in Oklahoma the tax is required on fuels to be used as on-road motor fuel. Two things stand out to me about this. On road motor fuel a fuel used by a motor on the road. Shouldnt I be entitled to a refund of these taxes for the portions which are used OFF ROAD? While this doesnt sound like much at first lets just consider. My car is running in a parking lot That is NOT on road. My car is running in my driveway Again thats NOT on road. I have to use a diesel generator during a power outage NOT on road. I have to move building supplies, fencing supplies, etc on my property NOT on road. Tractor used to harvest my crops NOT on road. I could go on, but honestly I guess I should be sending the state a bill every month or so for a tax rebate. Only a couple bucks tops, but you know if I owed them, theyd be all over me. Kind of makes one think --Scott Burton From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:17 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh Hey Bob, I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thingand that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on defense). If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure. :-) - Redler P.S. I went to http://www.ozarker.org/and noticed that there is no Recreational Bob link. Shame on you. bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tax applies to any fuel produced and used on-road. I don't have the letter here in front of me, but as I recall it wanted to know how much I produced total and how much was used as on-road motor fuel. The tax is retroactive for 2005. DHAJOGLO wrote: Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an additive? -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
Well Scott, Here in Texas we can actually apply for rebates for non road use fuel.I spent two hours last quarter doing the paperwork, including reviewing all receipts, and was entitled to a wopping $93.27.It was worth my time but not the migrane From: "Scott Burton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:24 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh An interesting tidbit of information on this. If the U.S. Government is spending 750 billion on defense, they are spending on defense roughly every U.S. Dollar in circulation worldwide. In April of 2000 the Treasury estimated the total U.S. Currency in circulation worldwide was 600 billion. Yet our government manages to spend more than that every year. Isn't it nice to not be bound by laws and be able to call a budget balanced simply because you make your budgeted amount match your actual expenditures? (Note this doesn't mean balancing expenditures with receipts in government, just making sure you only are spending what you say you're going to spend. That's a "Balanced Budget" ) That's just my quick comment. Back to the tax requirements, I'm not sure about other states, but in Oklahoma the tax is required on fuels to be used as on-road motor fuel. Two things stand out to me about this. "On road motor fuel" a fuel used by a motor on the road. Shouldn't I be entitled to a refund of these taxes for the portions which are used OFF ROAD? While this doesn't sound like much at first let's just consider. My car is running in a parking lot - That is NOT on road. My car is running in my driveway - Again that's NOT on road. I have to use a diesel generator during a power outage - NOT on road. I have to move building supplies, fencing supplies, etc on my property - NOT on road. Tractor used to harvest my crops - NOT on road. I could go on, but honestly I guess I should be sending the state a bill every month or so for a tax rebate. Only a couple bucks tops, but you know if I owed them, they'd be all over me. Kind of makes one think. --Scott Burton From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael RedlerSent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:17 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh Hey Bob, I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thing and that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on "defense"). If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure. :-) - Redler P.S. I wen
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
the tax applies to any fuel produced and used on-road. I don't have the letter here in front of me, but as I recall it wanted to know how much I produced total and how much was used as on-road motor fuel. The tax is retroactive for 2005. DHAJOGLO wrote: Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an additive? -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
Hey Bob,I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thingand that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on "defense").If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure.:-)- RedlerP.S. I went to http://www.ozarker.org/and noticed that there is no "Recreational Bob" link. Shame on you.bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tax applies to any fuel produced and used on-road. I don't have the letter here in front of me, but as I recall it wanted to know how much I produced total and how much was used as on-road motor fuel. The tax is retroactive for 2005.DHAJOGLO wrote: Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an "additive?" -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
Well lets see12,000 miles a year @ 42 mpg thats 285 gallons but wait blend it and you have B20 185 *.2 = 57 gallons only half was used on the road 57 / 2 = 28.5 @ 22.5 cents a gallon = $6.41Send it to them in pennies, good gooey pennies like the ones you get from a kid eating ice creamBetter yet, tell them you paid the tax when you bought the oil from WalMartThey are the ones collecting the Tax on the veggie oil you bought and therfor its dual taxation if you have to pay tax for using itOh wait, this is Arkansas the home of Wallyworld, that will be fun. From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh Hey Bob, I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thing and that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on "defense"). If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure. :-) - Redler P.S. I went to http://www.ozarker.org/ and noticed that there is no "Recreational Bob" link. Shame on you. bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tax applies to any fuel produced and used on-road. I don't have the letter here in front of me, but as I recall it wanted to know how much I produced total and how much was used as on-road motor fuel. The tax is retroactive for 2005.DHAJOGLO wrote: Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an "additive?" -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an additive? -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] the tax man cometh
I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:13 PM, bob allen wrote: I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. Hard call -- do you keep your head down in the trench, or tell the world? Or tell a few -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
