Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
Glenn wrote: In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. Design a device that's borrowed from a Babington Burner, limit the air intake and install a heavy duty spark plug with the grounding flange removed. Use another modified spark plug as the ground and install it across from the first one. Apply direct current voltage to this when the air compressor and oil pump are working. If you really want to get fancy, run the resulting plasma gas through a catalyst and inject a bit of steam. You should end up with hydrogen and carbon monoxide gas. It may not be methane, but it will burn cleanly. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
Why not use veggie oil rather than biodiesel Martin? Keith Well I have been reading about hydrocarbon cracking on the hobbicast list and trying to stir up some information. So I was thinking about biodiesel and wondering if you could do the same with it. Perhaps I can burn biodiesel in my melting furnace! :) Or perhaps biodiesel could be broken into thinner chains to make it's gel point lower. My sister is a chemistry major I'll have to ask her. Shameless endorsement: hobbicast http://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=hobbicast is archived at the infoarchive http://infoarchive.net/, as well as 12 other groups. Glenn wrote: Martin, Time to dig out the organic chemistry books again :) In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
Would be interesting to to have that methane cleaned up and processed into methanol. :) A small bio-source of methanol . mm Anyone know of a small methanol processing unit? James Slayden On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, girl mark wrote: It seems a little backwards to do this- after all the methanol is reformulated from methane, no? I'm reading a great book called 'a chinese biogas manual' about methane digesters. they're mostly talking about large-scale (large family or work group within a large rural commune). My friend the UC Davis grad student studying digesters (and building them, and teaching about them, and probably thinking about little but anaerobic bacteria and how to make them comfortable!) uses a small-scale design that's based on an old water heater as a demo digester. DOn't know how much comes out of one of those but I think it's signficant. So there's fairly easy ways of making methane without resorting to chemical cracking of hydrocarbons when the bacteria can do it for you. One of my buddies wants to build one to digest excess glycerine from biodiesel. Mark At 12:44 AM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: Well I have been reading about hydrocarbon cracking on the hobbicast list and trying to stir up some information. So I was thinking about biodiesel and wondering if you could do the same with it. Perhaps I can burn biodiesel in my melting furnace! :) Or perhaps biodiesel could be broken into thinner chains to make it's gel point lower. My sister is a chemistry major I'll have to ask her. Shameless endorsement: hobbicast http://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=hobbicasthttp://infoarchive.net/index php?list=hobbicast is archived at the infoarchive http://infoarchive.net/http://infoarchive.net/, as well as 12 other groups. Glenn wrote: Martin, Time to dig out the organic chemistry books again :) In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel. tml Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
hrmm, wonder if that would work for glyc . (my brain starts turning). On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, robert luis rabello wrote: Glenn wrote: In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. Design a device that's borrowed from a Babington Burner, limit the air intake and install a heavy duty spark plug with the grounding flange removed. Use another modified spark plug as the ground and install it across from the first one. Apply direct current voltage to this when the air compressor and oil pump are working. If you really want to get fancy, run the resulting plasma gas through a catalyst and inject a bit of steam. You should end up with hydrogen and carbon monoxide gas. It may not be methane, but it will burn cleanly. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
The person who devolopes a small methanol processing unit, stands to make a lot of money if big bussiness doesn't drive him under. Greg H. - Original Message - From: James Slayden Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:00 Subject: Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane Would be interesting to to have that methane cleaned up and processed into methanol. :) A small bio-source of methanol . mm Anyone know of a small methanol processing unit? James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
Would be interesting to to have that methane cleaned up and processed into methanol. :) A small bio-source of methanol . mm Anyone know of a small methanol processing unit? No, despite much searching. Ken said he did though - any news, Ken? I put this question to the GAS list at Crest recently (gasification), where Dr Tom Reed responded, as hoped. He's a methanol fan, did a lot of work with methanol in the 70s. His response was, sadly, nothing for backyarders. Processing methane into methanol takes steam reforming, I think for starters. Best Keith James Slayden On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, girl mark wrote: It seems a little backwards to do this- after all the methanol is reformulated from methane, no? I'm reading a great book called 'a chinese biogas manual' about methane digesters. they're mostly talking about large-scale (large family or work group within a large rural commune). My friend the UC Davis grad student studying digesters (and building them, and teaching about them, and probably thinking about little but anaerobic bacteria and how to make them comfortable!) uses a small-scale design that's based on an old water heater as a demo digester. DOn't know how much comes out of one of those but I think it's signficant. So there's fairly easy ways of making methane without resorting to chemical cracking of hydrocarbons when the bacteria can do it for you. One of my buddies wants to build one to digest excess glycerine from biodiesel. Mark At 12:44 AM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: Well I have been reading about hydrocarbon cracking on the hobbicast list and trying to stir up some information. So I was thinking about biodiesel and wondering if you could do the same with it. Perhaps I can burn biodiesel in my melting furnace! :) Or perhaps biodiesel could be broken into thinner chains to make it's gel point lower. My sister is a chemistry major I'll have to ask her. Shameless endorsement: hobbicast http://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=hobbicasthttp://infoarch ive.net/index php?list=hobbicast is archived at the infoarchive http://infoarchive.net/http://infoarchive.net/, as well as 12 other groups. Glenn wrote: Martin, Time to dig out the organic chemistry books again :) In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
I figured it was easier to vaporize biodiesel than veggie oil. This summer I want to experiment with a pre-burning chamber and see if I can do without any special nozzles or a pump. --- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net [archive.nnytech.net] nnytech.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:53 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane Why not use veggie oil rather than biodiesel Martin? Keith Well I have been reading about hydrocarbon cracking on the hobbicast list and trying to stir up some information. So I was thinking about biodiesel and wondering if you could do the same with it. Perhaps I can burn biodiesel in my melting furnace! :) Or perhaps biodiesel could be broken into thinner chains to make it's gel point lower. My sister is a chemistry major I'll have to ask her. Shameless endorsement: hobbicast http://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=hobbicast is archived at the infoarchive http://infoarchive.net/, as well as 12 other groups. Glenn wrote: Martin, Time to dig out the organic chemistry books again :) In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
Is it possible to convert biodiesel to a natural gas such as methane or propane? If so, how? It's been two years since chemistry class for me so I can't really remember how it would be done. --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
Martin, Time to dig out the organic chemistry books again :) In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
Well I have been reading about hydrocarbon cracking on the hobbicast list and trying to stir up some information. So I was thinking about biodiesel and wondering if you could do the same with it. Perhaps I can burn biodiesel in my melting furnace! :) Or perhaps biodiesel could be broken into thinner chains to make it's gel point lower. My sister is a chemistry major I'll have to ask her. Shameless endorsement: hobbicast http://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=hobbicast is archived at the infoarchive http://infoarchive.net/, as well as 12 other groups. Glenn wrote: Martin, Time to dig out the organic chemistry books again :) In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [m]ethyl esters to methane
It seems a little backwards to do this- after all the methanol is reformulated from methane, no? I'm reading a great book called 'a chinese biogas manual' about methane digesters. they're mostly talking about large-scale (large family or work group within a large rural commune). My friend the UC Davis grad student studying digesters (and building them, and teaching about them, and probably thinking about little but anaerobic bacteria and how to make them comfortable!) uses a small-scale design that's based on an old water heater as a demo digester. DOn't know how much comes out of one of those but I think it's signficant. So there's fairly easy ways of making methane without resorting to chemical cracking of hydrocarbons when the bacteria can do it for you. One of my buddies wants to build one to digest excess glycerine from biodiesel. Mark At 12:44 AM 12/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: Well I have been reading about hydrocarbon cracking on the hobbicast list and trying to stir up some information. So I was thinking about biodiesel and wondering if you could do the same with it. Perhaps I can burn biodiesel in my melting furnace! :) Or perhaps biodiesel could be broken into thinner chains to make it's gel point lower. My sister is a chemistry major I'll have to ask her. Shameless endorsement: hobbicast http://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=hobbicasthttp://infoarchive.net/index.php?list=hobbicast is archived at the infoarchive http://infoarchive.net/http://infoarchive.net/, as well as 12 other groups. Glenn wrote: Martin, Time to dig out the organic chemistry books again :) In theory it is possible to break methyl esters or any other hydrocarbon chain into smaller CH4 molecules. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
