[biofuel] European-American War of 2020
A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
Ken Provost wrote: A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K An old friend of mine argues that this is the REAL reason why the military is pushing for expensive weapons systems, like the Joint Strike fighter, new tanks, armor and smaller, tactical nuclear weapons. This is a little scary, but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't be at all suprised by it. Historically, democracies have not attacked one another. That may be history pretty soon . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
Historically, democracies have not attacked one another. That may be history pretty soon . . . Since when have America and the various European nations been democracies? The form of 'democracy' that exists is just an illusion created by the ruling elite, to control the masses and stop them revolting. If you don't believe me, just look at the last presidential election in the US, and the way the European Union is handling the issue of Software Patents. Both would show that the wishes of the population are totally irrelevant to the outcome. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links = -- 43 - slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
--- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K Please note my following comments refer primarily to the _political_ systems in place, not individuals from each region of the world! I think we can safely say that Europe and America have been at war with each other for a very long time - mainly over trade issues, but in the bigger picture over cultural and environmental issues too. From the European side of the equation, America is seen as acting primarily to exert and maintain its power over the rest of the world through its de facto monopolies and trade policies - which serve only to enrich America even further. America's (i.e. governmental, not individual Americans') attitude to environmental issues (such as the Kyoto protocol) suggest that they don't care about the rest of the world. The fact that America goes its own way in so many areas of technology (mobile phone standards, NTSC vs PAL in TV standards for example) is cited as evidence of protectionist policies that effectively only allow American companies to compete in the particular market sector. The way contracts have been awarded in Iraq following the war has also raised questions about 'jobs for the boys' as the large American companies have ended up winning the contracts, by and large. As far as oil and energy are concerned, here in the UK most people do see 'the Middle East situation' as being largely as a result of America's quest to control the oil reserves, but with Europe also playing their part. If you look at each nation's energy consumption per capita, America uses roughly twice as much as European nations (source: the Economist, I could dig out detailed figures). Other nations generally come much lower, although there are exceptions. This is often considered to be evidence of America's profligacy. Other considerations include the pump price of motor fuel. If crude oil prices double, the percentage increase in pump prices is much higher in America than in Europe, simply because Americans pay vastly less fuel tax than Europeans. So here there is much less of a focus on oil prices than in America, although there are groups who used recent high prices to threaten strike action and the government eventually backed down from a proposed tax increase on fuel. Because Europe is very congested, high fuel prices serve a very important secondary purpose in discouraging people from over-using their cars. If the prices were to drop to American prices, people would be happy for about a day before they realised that everyone was using their cars more and the road system would grind to a total halt. Most would then ask for the prices to go back up! My impression is that individual Americans come up with a vast number of great ideas, but are trapped in a political system that doesn't allow most of them to thrive. Big businesses with vested interests see to it that the government at the time (whether Republican or Democrat) never implement any policies that would upset them. By big business I mean companies like the oil companies, Microsoft, the motor manufacturers, even Coca Cola and McDonalds. The political parties both have too much to lose by upsetting these companies. I'd be interested on the American perspective of the above issues - how do Americans perceive Europeans over the above issues? Regards, Donald = -- 43 - slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
You are right, it is not working as it should. Donald Allwright wrote: Historically, democracies have not attacked one another. That may be history pretty soon . . . Since when have America and the various European nations been democracies? The form of 'democracy' that exists is just an illusion created by the ruling elite, to control the masses and stop them revolting. If you don't believe me, just look at the last presidential election in the US, and the way the European Union is handling the issue of Software Patents. Both would show that the wishes of the population are totally irrelevant to the outcome. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links = -- 43 - slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129tj7dfo/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1091100081/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
Your buddy is someone who needs to operate in a mindset of fear. War is a matter of choice, predicated entirely upon the choices that were made in the years and months leading up to it. Speculating on what happens or doesn't happen in 16 years changes nothing. Acting today changes everything. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020 A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re[2]: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
Hallo Donald, Wednesday, 28 July, 2004, 05:46:52, you wrote: DA --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K DA Please note my following comments refer primarily to the _political_ DA systems in place, not individuals from each region of the world! Noted. The same applies to my statements. DA I think we can safely say that Europe and America have been at war with DA each other for a very long time - mainly over trade issues, but in the DA bigger picture over cultural and environmental issues too. From the DA European side of the equation, America is seen as acting primarily to DA exert and maintain its power over the rest of the world through its de DA facto monopolies and trade policies - which serve only to enrich DA America even further. America's (i.e. governmental, not individual DA Americans') attitude to environmental issues (such as the Kyoto DA protocol) suggest that they don't care about the rest of the world. The DA fact that America goes its own way in so many areas of technology DA (mobile phone standards, NTSC vs PAL in TV standards for example) is DA cited as evidence of protectionist policies that effectively only allow DA American companies to compete in the particular market sector. The way DA contracts have been awarded in Iraq following the war has also raised DA questions about 'jobs for the boys' as the large American companies DA have ended up winning the contracts, by and large. It is a matter of power and national advantage and it is not limited to the United States. It used to be the UK. The roots of the first world war lie in the machinations of the power politics of all the countries involved and particularly the British. No one is immune from this and I believe it to be inherent in ANY organized system of governance. If you go to the anarchism mailing list they will point you to their FAQ's and the FAQ's will tell you that anarchism requires using the socialist economic system. Requires it. Anarchism. And this is in any organized system. Look at organized religion. The US just happens to be the big dog on the block at the moment. That could change in a heartbeat. Remember the USSR? DA As far as oil and energy are concerned, here in the UK most people do DA see 'the Middle East situation' as being largely as a result of DA America's quest to control the oil reserves, but with Europe also DA playing their part. If you look at each nation's energy consumption per DA capita, America uses roughly twice as much as European nations (source: DA the Economist, I could dig out detailed figures). Other nations DA generally come much lower, although there are exceptions. This is often DA considered to be evidence of America's profligacy. Other considerations DA include the pump price of motor fuel. If crude oil prices double, the DA percentage increase in pump prices is much higher in America than in DA Europe, simply because Americans pay vastly less fuel tax than DA Europeans. So here there is much less of a focus on oil prices than in DA America, although there are groups who used recent high prices to DA threaten strike action and the government eventually backed down from a DA proposed tax increase on fuel. Because Europe is very congested, high DA fuel prices serve a very important secondary purpose in discouraging DA people from over-using their cars. If the prices were to drop to DA American prices, people would be happy for about a day before they DA realised that everyone was using their cars more and the road system DA would grind to a total halt. Most would then ask for the prices to go DA back up! We have to go back a lot further to see the actual roots of the middle east problem. Culturally and religiously it has been there for God only knows how long. Politically we can look to the big dogs of the early 20th century and we will see the British with the Balfour declaration and the formation of the political state of Iraq out of three disparate peoples. Further along in the century we see the cooperation between Hitler and the Zionists and Britain and the Zionists as adding fuel to the fire. Then the US entered the scene and mucked it up even more. Cultural and geographical differences between the US and European nations account for how we live and how we view and use fuel. In Texas there is a
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
Ken Provost wrote: A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K There's too much of a connection with Europe to fight a war with them. It would be an awfully hard sell to the American people, one which I would never buy. I've never bought the Iraq war either, but what do I know. -- Martin K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
Ken, Your fiend is wrong, there are no gains in a US - Europe war. Europe have not enough oil and the losses would be too large. 2020 Bush is not president and US will not go to a war were many lives are lost, without making substantial gains. If Iraq becomes a true democracy, US will not make this mistake again. US would deal with a peaceful country and will not have the absolute control over the oil that they need. US will try to go back to support of strong dictators, but I think that this will not work in the future. Bush did let the genie out of the bottle, which will lead to large and severe consequences. The process of exchanging dollar to Euro have already started, that is one of the reasons for the high oil prices in dollar. Oil prices in Euro have not gone up more than a couple of Euros. The fact is that the current high oil prices does not effect Europe that much, because they are in dollar and the Euro has gone up very much, from a low of around 0.85 dollar for a Euro to around 1.20+ dollar for a Euro. This is one of the explanations for the high oil prices, the dollar have depreciated and Euro is now already an alternative. The reality is that the Euro already started to replace/complement the dollar. A world war to destroy a currency is not likely to be successful. Your friend is however right, the Euro is probably the largest single threat against US world dominance. A war does not necessary support exchange rates, fiscal policies does and a war cost too much. Already WWII were about energy and the outcome also effected very much by the availability to energy resources. That is why Japan attacked Hawaii (the fuel embargo) and that the fighting in middle east was so crucial before D-day. At that time, US was in a very strong position, as the major oil supplier of the world. The growth of energy use in East Europe, Far East and especially China, is more of a threat and it will be very difficult for US to maintain its position. Nuclear and coal, are almost the only available stop gap solutions and short term alternatives to a massive and diversified investment in renewable. The latter will break up the corporate monopolies, if it must be done in a short time frame. It will also be too localized and change the power structures in the world. This is why hydrogen looks attractive, because it create a dependence on other finite resources, namely materials and technologies for production and containment. It is not an easy situation and the outcome is very difficult to predict. Hakan At 03:22 28/07/2004, you wrote: A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
I disagree that the US couldn't go to war with Europe. After all, we've already fought each of the European countries individually and beaten them (except France). Additionally, it wouldn't be the first time the US has turned on an ally (remember that we fought beside the Soviets in WWII and they became our greatest enemy). I can easily picture the neo-cons hyping the EU as a threat to American sovereignty. Considering that the current administration has alienated all of our old European allies (except Britain, which incidentally is at odds with many EU policies), I could easily picture another European war. At the very least we'll have another cold war with resulting proxy wars in Africa, Asia, and South America. The United States of America is the largest exporter of war and war materiel (see http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/mil_con_arm_exp for the stats). The profits of the global multinational corporations are closely tied to our belligerence. How long do you think that they can hype the current terror threat? I would have to say (perhaps cynically) that the terror threat will end once the US has a more worthy opponent. I've wondered since the demise of the USSR which country that would be, and always assumed that it would be China. However, it seems plausible that it could be the EU, particularly if it opposes the neo-cons plan for American hegemony. Check out http://www.newamericancentury.org http://www.newamericancentury.org/ to see Zbigniew Brzezinski's vision of what the world should and will look like. -BRAH -Original Message- From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:45 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020 Ken Provost wrote: A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K There's too much of a connection with Europe to fight a war with them. It would be an awfully hard sell to the American people, one which I would never buy. I've never bought the Iraq war either, but what do I know. -- Martin K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12998erve/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1091112309/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*htt p:/companion.yahoo.com http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=group s/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=288551353 _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
