Re: [biofuel] contaminated Biodiesel 2
Hello todd and everybody regarding that muck, do you have any more info you could share? Two jars, one airtight, the PH of the jar in contact with air passed in two weeks from 9 to 5.5- 5.8 and a string of white muck appeared while in the airtight container only a small amount of (glycerine?) settled.-Can an acidic biodiesel corrode any parts in a diesel engine? -Can a caustic biodiesel help prevent corrosion and keep an engine clean? -Does a completed reaction oxydize? -Is there any chance a micro-organism being involved in such a drastic change of PH? Merci a l'avance ! Dominic Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that you answered your own question. Place all the fuel in one settling tank and recover all that grvitates towards the top. As for suspect fuel, it's possible that the new fuel was problematic. Were it from a batch of poorly converted fuel that had a high level of mono- or di-glycerides these could have mixed with water in your tank to form the muck that you describe. Chances are that if the fuel was partially incomplete you would have been displacing a whitish colored smoke from your exhaust, perhaps even at idle. You would owe it to yourself to conduct a sample transesterication of the settled fuel to see if anymore glycerin settles out. That could confirm that the fuel's reaction didn't go to completion. Even if it hadn't, you could probably get away with putting it back in your tank if you knew the tank was void of water. This is yet another good argument for having tanks cleaned or at least thoroughly flushed when switching to biodiesel. It's bad enough having to deal with all the gundge that's been deposited by petrol diesel over the years. But the level of water oft found in petrol diesel and that settles out to the bottom of the tank can further exacerbate problems of an incomplete biodiesel. Should it be presumed that you are the manufacturer of the biodiesel? Or are you one of the rare few that has access to a commercial pump in Cali that is dispensing B-100? If the latter, you have an obligation to inform both the distributor and vendor of your problem. Todd Swearingen - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] contaminated Biodiesel
Hello friend, I think you should put the whole lot in a big container, and let it stand for about three weeks. After that, you will find, that the top layer is usable BD. The rest is probably a mixture of soap / water / glycerin or what so ever. Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Adrian Byers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:37 AM Subject: [biofuel] contaminated Biodiesel Hello all, My name is Adrian, and I have a little problem. I recently bought a 1982 GMC Suburban as a work truck. It has a 6.2L diesel engine, which excited me, since I could start running Biodiesel in it. but it had been sitting for two years. I gradually switched from regular diesel to Biodiesel, and after 2 weeks of running pure B100 in it, I changed the primary and secondary fuel filters. About a week and half ago (2 months after I bought the truck) it hesitated and stalled. Eventually, it just died. I checked the filters, and found a little water in the secondary. I have towed it home, and pumped the tank dry. I suspect that the ultimate problem was water or fungus in the fuel. My question is thus- After I am done purging the fuel lines of ANY foreign matter, I am sitting here with 20+ gallons of B100. The final gallon from the very bottom of the fuel tank is in a glass jar that after 2 days of settling, has a 1/2 to 1 inch thick layer of whitish scum at the bottom of it. I would rather not throw away all of the other biodiesel that I have. What can I do to refine it to a more useable state? Pump it all into glass jars, and suck the good biodiesel out of the top, and leave the debris? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to contact me offline if you wish to save bandwidth for other subscribers. Adrian Byers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] contaminated Biodiesel
Hello all, My name is Adrian, and I have a little problem. I recently bought a 1982 GMC Suburban as a work truck. It has a 6.2L diesel engine, which excited me, since I could start running Biodiesel in it. but it had been sitting for two years. I gradually switched from regular diesel to Biodiesel, and after 2 weeks of running pure B100 in it, I changed the primary and secondary fuel filters. About a week and half ago (2 months after I bought the truck) it hesitated and stalled. Eventually, it just died. I checked the filters, and found a little water in the secondary. I have towed it home, and pumped the tank dry. I suspect that the ultimate problem was water or fungus in the fuel. My question is thus- After I am done purging the fuel lines of ANY foreign matter, I am sitting here with 20+ gallons of B100. The final gallon from the very bottom of the fuel tank is in a glass jar that after 2 days of settling, has a 1/2 to 1 inch thick layer of whitish scum at the bottom of it. I would rather not throw away all of the other biodiesel that I have. What can I do to refine it to a more useable state? Pump it all into glass jars, and suck the good biodiesel out of the top, and leave the debris? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to contact me offline if you wish to save bandwidth for other subscribers. Adrian Byers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] contaminated Biodiesel
I believe that you answered your own question. Place all the fuel in one settling tank and recover all that grvitates towards the top. As for suspect fuel, it's possible that the new fuel was problematic. Were it from a batch of poorly converted fuel that had a high level of mono- or di-glycerides these could have mixed with water in your tank to form the muck that you describe. Chances are that if the fuel was partially incomplete you would have been displacing a whitish colored smoke from your exhaust, perhaps even at idle. You would owe it to yourself to conduct a sample transesterication of the settled fuel to see if anymore glycerin settles out. That could confirm that the fuel's reaction didn't go to completion. Even if it hadn't, you could probably get away with putting it back in your tank if you knew the tank was void of water. This is yet another good argument for having tanks cleaned or at least thoroughly flushed when switching to biodiesel. It's bad enough having to deal with all the gundge that's been deposited by petrol diesel over the years. But the level of water oft found in petrol diesel and that settles out to the bottom of the tank can further exacerbate problems of an incomplete biodiesel. Should it be presumed that you are the manufacturer of the biodiesel? Or are you one of the rare few that has access to a commercial pump in Cali that is dispensing B-100? If the latter, you have an obligation to inform both the distributor and vendor of your problem. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Adrian Byers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: [biofuel] contaminated Biodiesel Hello all, My name is Adrian, and I have a little problem. I recently bought a 1982 GMC Suburban as a work truck. It has a 6.2L diesel engine, which excited me, since I could start running Biodiesel in it. but it had been sitting for two years. I gradually switched from regular diesel to Biodiesel, and after 2 weeks of running pure B100 in it, I changed the primary and secondary fuel filters. About a week and half ago (2 months after I bought the truck) it hesitated and stalled. Eventually, it just died. I checked the filters, and found a little water in the secondary. I have towed it home, and pumped the tank dry. I suspect that the ultimate problem was water or fungus in the fuel. My question is thus- After I am done purging the fuel lines of ANY foreign matter, I am sitting here with 20+ gallons of B100. The final gallon from the very bottom of the fuel tank is in a glass jar that after 2 days of settling, has a 1/2 to 1 inch thick layer of whitish scum at the bottom of it. I would rather not throw away all of the other biodiesel that I have. What can I do to refine it to a more useable state? Pump it all into glass jars, and suck the good biodiesel out of the top, and leave the debris? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to contact me offline if you wish to save bandwidth for other subscribers. Adrian Byers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
