[biofuel] flight transponders

2004-07-07 Thread Hakan Falk


I have to apologize, for saying that transponder in airliners could not be 
turned off. I was rightfully corrected by Vern (respectfully off line), who 
is an experienced pilot. The reason why I said this, is that 25 years ago, 
we were involved in some programming on the European wide flight control 
system. It was at the same time a debate over making transponder not 
possible to switch off, because of the at the time frequent hijackings. The 
last 15 years I have lived in the belief that it was implemented. Had the 
impression that the decision was made.

Vern rightfully pointed out that it was not implemented and also some other 
technical details about it. The fact remains however that the planes must 
have released all alarms and been either suspected crash or hijackings 
within a minute of direction change or loss of transponder. This means 
immediate launch of military resources and notification of the president. 
If the chain of command in the country worked, it would tell them 
immediately that it was four simultaneous incidents and the immediate 
command of the president were called for.

My comments of tracking in controlled and restricted zones are still valid, 
with or without transponder. It is amazing that it worked so bad, 
especially since it was a system for this kind of breaches, after earlier 
similar incidents. It has been incidents were small planes were crashed 
into buildings and even landed in front of the White House. The idea to use 
planes as projectiles is not new for US and if I remember right, the White 
House itself have an air defence system because of it.

I think that it is a lot of cover up around this and that we have not been 
told the whole story.

Hakan 




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RE: [biofuel] flight transponders

2004-07-07 Thread Bryan Brah

It's interesting to note that the U.S. military was conducting several
wargame simulations at the exact time of the September 11th attacks.
Incredible as it seems one of these was a simulation of hijacked
airliners crashing into buildings.  Another was a biological attack on
New York City.  So many of the actual defense mechanisms were turned
off, or responses were slowed because of the resulting confusion about
the reality of the situation.   

 

These simulations were approved by the White House, so Shrub may very
well have been confused during those seven minutes.  I hope that he was
just incompetent, because the alternative is that he knew about the
attacks and let them happen.

 

Here's a link that lists some of the U.S. wargames that have
coincidentally occurred during crisis':

 

http://oilempire.us/wargames.html

 

-BRAH

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 2:11 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] flight transponders

 


I have to apologize, for saying that transponder in airliners could not
be 
turned off. I was rightfully corrected by Vern (respectfully off line),
who 
is an experienced pilot. The reason why I said this, is that 25 years
ago, 
we were involved in some programming on the European wide flight control

system. It was at the same time a debate over making transponder not 
possible to switch off, because of the at the time frequent hijackings.
The 
last 15 years I have lived in the belief that it was implemented. Had
the 
impression that the decision was made.

Vern rightfully pointed out that it was not implemented and also some
other 
technical details about it. The fact remains however that the planes
must 
have released all alarms and been either suspected crash or hijackings 
within a minute of direction change or loss of transponder. This means 
immediate launch of military resources and notification of the
president. 
If the chain of command in the country worked, it would tell them 
immediately that it was four simultaneous incidents and the immediate 
command of the president were called for.

My comments of tracking in controlled and restricted zones are still
valid, 
with or without transponder. It is amazing that it worked so bad, 
especially since it was a system for this kind of breaches, after
earlier 
similar incidents. It has been incidents were small planes were crashed 
into buildings and even landed in front of the White House. The idea to
use 
planes as projectiles is not new for US and if I remember right, the
White 
House itself have an air defence system because of it.

I think that it is a lot of cover up around this and that we have not
been 
told the whole story.

Hakan 



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