RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel conversion for boilers
Hi Myles, May I ask what is the cost of your Biodiesel/litre or gallon? Are you home brewing? Peter Gathercole Development Director Biomass Energy Tanzania Limited -Original Message- From: Myles Twete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 8:44 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel conversion for boilers Hi Kent- Oil-fired boilers use pressure-atomizing burners with high pressure pumps. These pumps have rubber seals. Those rubber seals will likely eventually leak with 100% biodiesel. We have seen this with 3 pumps on our home heating oil furnace. The seal leaking might not be a problem depending on the type of burner. With our Riello burner it was---it still slightly drips from the shaft seal, but fortunately, the Riello shaft doesn't connect directly to the fan as older burners did, so at least the dripping doesn't hit the fan and blow all over the air tube and turbulator. Our main problem was nozzle drip due to the biodiesel eroding the pump stop seal or thermal expansion or whateverwe reduced this somewhat by retrofitting a drip slide so this drippage would be carried away to the bottom of the turbulator and not blown into it and caking on its face. Finally, by installing a Hago EcoValve and Nozzle, we've eliminated the dripping problem. Finally, low-temps (50deg in our case) increase the viscosity of the biodiesel and were causing failed heater starts, or sporatic ones. You shouldn't have that problem in Costa Rica. We finally decided to go with a 50/50 biodiesel blend on our oil heating system fuel to make it so we don't need to worry about failed cold starts. On a boat here in Portland, we've been successfully burning 100% biodiesel in an oil-fired industrial 200psi Bryan boiler. No problems over the past couple years so far---might be nozzle drip or seal leakage, but we haven't checked and haven't had any burning problems. In case this helps- -Myles Twete, Portland, Or. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1564415/R=0/SIG=11t6t7kdo/*http:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqs o=60164784partid=3170658 http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=251812.3170658.4537139.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1564415/rand=205315006 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel conversion for boilers
Kent, B-100 will run with no conversion in distillate fuel oil and waste motor oil fired boilers. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: essentialkent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel conversion for boilers Hello, Just joined the group. My name is Kent McKay, and I am a distiller of organic essential oils in Costa RIca and Canada. I also build stills for other eco based projects and have been asked to put a quote together for a Mayan community still in Guatemala. They are interested in using biodiesel for the boiler. Guatemala apparently has quite a movement in biodiesel. I have some exposure to the use of biodiesel as I work with permaculture projects and have seen different bus conversions, but no experience with boiler conversions. Have searched the archives a bit here, and have seen some discussions back in 2001 in the group. Searching the web has been somewhat frustrating on an info level for boilers. Does anyone have knowledge of a company I could contact for professional conversion, or any boiler manufactuers that are now able to provide this conversion with their equipment?? Any leads would be most helpful and appreciated to try and get this worthwile project of the ground. Thanks in advance Kent Essential Aura Aromatics Artisan Distillers of Organic Essential Oils http://www.essentialaura.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel conversion for boilers
Hi Kent- Oil-fired boilers use pressure-atomizing burners with high pressure pumps. These pumps have rubber seals. Those rubber seals will likely eventually leak with 100% biodiesel. We have seen this with 3 pumps on our home heating oil furnace. The seal leaking might not be a problem depending on the type of burner. With our Riello burner it was---it still slightly drips from the shaft seal, but fortunately, the Riello shaft doesn't connect directly to the fan as older burners did, so at least the dripping doesn't hit the fan and blow all over the air tube and turbulator. Our main problem was nozzle drip due to the biodiesel eroding the pump stop seal or thermal expansion or whateverwe reduced this somewhat by retrofitting a drip slide so this drippage would be carried away to the bottom of the turbulator and not blown into it and caking on its face. Finally, by installing a Hago EcoValve and Nozzle, we've eliminated the dripping problem. Finally, low-temps (50deg in our case) increase the viscosity of the biodiesel and were causing failed heater starts, or sporatic ones. You shouldn't have that problem in Costa Rica. We finally decided to go with a 50/50 biodiesel blend on our oil heating system fuel to make it so we don't need to worry about failed cold starts. On a boat here in Portland, we've been successfully burning 100% biodiesel in an oil-fired industrial 200psi Bryan boiler. No problems over the past couple years so far---might be nozzle drip or seal leakage, but we haven't checked and haven't had any burning problems. In case this helps- -Myles Twete, Portland, Or. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
