RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.

2001-05-21 Thread Keith Addison

Hans
I think Robert posted what you are looking for
Kirk

That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar 
content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough 
for ordinary fermenting and distillation.

Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the 
process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil 
first, the sugar reading should be the same either way.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/



robert luis rabello wrote:

   I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather
   abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get
   the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose.
   Thanx,
   Buddy
  
 
  Here are a couple of links you can try:
 
  http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm
 
  http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm
 
  I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good
  luck!
 
  robert luis rabello
 


-Original Message-
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hello All,

Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech
small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut
flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed
to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the
oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified.

Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate
content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production.

Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely
welcome.

Hanns


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RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.

2001-05-21 Thread kirk

No enzymes to convert starch? Maltose maybe. And the husks maybe qualify as
cellulose.
Use everything but the squeal like the hog packers do.

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:24 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hans
I think Robert posted what you are looking for
Kirk

That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar
content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough
for ordinary fermenting and distillation.

Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the
process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil
first, the sugar reading should be the same either way.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/



robert luis rabello wrote:

   I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather
   abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get
   the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose.
   Thanx,
   Buddy
  
 
  Here are a couple of links you can try:
 
  http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm
 
  http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm
 
  I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but
good
  luck!
 
  robert luis rabello
 


-Original Message-
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hello All,

Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low
tech
small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut
flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed
to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out
the
oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified.

Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient
carbohydrate
content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production.

Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely
welcome.

Hanns


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RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.

2001-05-21 Thread Hanns B. Wetzel

Kirk,

Many thanks. I was thinking of using the husks for coir an the shells partly
for heating and partly for the production of activated charcoal. That leaves
the liquid (of the mature coconut), and as Marc de Piolenc has pointed out
some form of fermentation has to be done.

Hanns

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From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 2:12 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


No enzymes to convert starch? Maltose maybe. And the husks maybe qualify as
cellulose.
Use everything but the squeal like the hog packers do.

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:24 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hans
I think Robert posted what you are looking for
Kirk

That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar
content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough
for ordinary fermenting and distillation.

Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the
process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil
first, the sugar reading should be the same either way.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/



robert luis rabello wrote:

   I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather
   abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get
   the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose.
   Thanx,
   Buddy
  
 
  Here are a couple of links you can try:
 
  http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm
 
  http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm
 
  I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but
good
  luck!
 
  robert luis rabello
 


-Original Message-
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hello All,

Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low
tech
small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut
flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed
to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out
the
oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified.

Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient
carbohydrate
content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production.

Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely
welcome.

Hanns


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RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.

2001-05-21 Thread Hanns B. Wetzel

Keith,

Once again, thanks for your help and advice, which I will still ask for more
of, being a newcomer to the biofuel movement. Please see my messages to
Gerry, Marc de Piolenc and Kirk for further explanations of what I am trying
to do. That is to start a village based industry in PNG (where I have close
family ties) involving the production of bio fuel (import replacement, job
creation, environmental conservation) and the coconut palm, because the
copra industry is all but dead (income producing, job creation, etc.) and
there are plenty of coconuts everywhere.

Re the enzymes for cellulose conversion, I will need prices, quantities
required, and more info on the actual process. This means to start learning
some serious organic chemistry, about which I know very little. My expertise
being in the computer and social development fields.

Best Regards,

Hanns

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 12:24 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hans
I think Robert posted what you are looking for
Kirk

That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar
content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough
for ordinary fermenting and distillation.

Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the
process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil
first, the sugar reading should be the same either way.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/



robert luis rabello wrote:

   I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather
   abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get
   the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose.
   Thanx,
   Buddy
  
 
  Here are a couple of links you can try:
 
  http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm
 
  http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm
 
  I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but
good
  luck!
 
  robert luis rabello
 


-Original Message-
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hello All,

Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low
tech
small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut
flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed
to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out
the
oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified.

Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient
carbohydrate
content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production.

Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely
welcome.

Hanns


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RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.

2001-05-21 Thread Hanns B. Wetzel

Keith,

Yes thanks, I looked at the pages but as I wrote to Keith Addison
QUOTE
Re the enzymes for cellulose conversion, I will need prices, quantities
required, and more info on the actual process. This means to start learning
some serious organic chemistry, about which I know very little. My expertise
being in the computer and social development fields.
UNQUOTE

Hanns

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From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 5:43 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.



Hans
I think Robert posted what you are looking for
Kirk



robert luis rabello wrote:

  I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather
  abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get
  the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose.
  Thanx,
  Buddy
 

 Here are a couple of links you can try:

 http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm

 http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm

 I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good
 luck!

 robert luis rabello



-Original Message-
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hello All,

Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech
small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut
flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed
to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the
oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified.

Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate
content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production.

Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely
welcome.

Hanns


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RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.

2001-05-21 Thread Keith Addison

Hello Hanns

Thanks for the info. But I'm not sure why you need enzymes for 
cellulose conversion. That's still a very iffy field. You should be 
able to ferment the liquid and distill out the ethanol, normal 
alcohol production. Husks and shells are best used as you plan, for 
coir and heating and charcoal. See our Biofuels library for how-to 
info on distilling.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html

Keith,

Once again, thanks for your help and advice, which I will still ask for more
of, being a newcomer to the biofuel movement. Please see my messages to
Gerry, Marc de Piolenc and Kirk for further explanations of what I am trying
to do. That is to start a village based industry in PNG (where I have close
family ties) involving the production of bio fuel (import replacement, job
creation, environmental conservation) and the coconut palm, because the
copra industry is all but dead (income producing, job creation, etc.) and
there are plenty of coconuts everywhere.

It's a good scheme, but you'll need a more appropriate technology 
than Etherington's if it's really to benefit the local people. It's 
rather easy to end up widening the income gap and further excluding 
the very people you're trying to help. You should ask VITA if they 
have a good technology for this, or ITDG, or ECHO, few others. More 
info here:
http://journeytoforever.org/at_link.html
Appropriate technology resources

Re the enzymes for cellulose conversion, I will need prices, quantities
required, and more info on the actual process. This means to start learning
some serious organic chemistry, about which I know very little.

Maybe not.

Regards

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/

 



My expertise
being in the computer and social development fields.

Best Regards,

Hanns

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 12:24 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


 Hans
 I think Robert posted what you are looking for
 Kirk

That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar
content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough
for ordinary fermenting and distillation.

Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the
process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil
first, the sugar reading should be the same either way.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/



 robert luis rabello wrote:
 
I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather
abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get
the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose.
Thanx,
Buddy
   
  
   Here are a couple of links you can try:
  
   http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm
  
   http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm
  
   I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but
good
   luck!
  
   robert luis rabello
  
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM
 To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
 
 
 Hello All,
 
 Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low
tech
 small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut
 flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed
 to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out
the
 oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified.
 
 Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient
carbohydrate
 content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production.
 
 Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely
 welcome.
 
 Hanns
 
 
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RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.

2001-05-21 Thread kirk

Dear Hanns

For heating I would look to the sun, at least in part.
Not so good at night, but the rest of the time a powerful source.

Kirk

-Original Message-
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:08 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Kirk,

Many thanks. I was thinking of using the husks for coir an the shells partly
for heating and partly for the production of activated charcoal. That leaves
the liquid (of the mature coconut), and as Marc de Piolenc has pointed out
some form of fermentation has to be done.

Hanns

-Original Message-
From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 2:12 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


No enzymes to convert starch? Maltose maybe. And the husks maybe qualify as
cellulose.
Use everything but the squeal like the hog packers do.

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:24 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hans
I think Robert posted what you are looking for
Kirk

That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar
content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough
for ordinary fermenting and distillation.

Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the
process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil
first, the sugar reading should be the same either way.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/



robert luis rabello wrote:

   I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather
   abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get
   the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose.
   Thanx,
   Buddy
  
 
  Here are a couple of links you can try:
 
  http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm
 
  http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm
 
  I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but
good
  luck!
 
  robert luis rabello
 


-Original Message-
From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM
To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.


Hello All,

Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low
tech
small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut
flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed
to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out
the
oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified.

Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient
carbohydrate
content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production.

Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely
welcome.

Hanns


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