RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
What about a suggestion someone made earlier to use the CO2 for aquaculture (eg algae production; perhaps other plants as well)? Don't plants give off O2 to restore the O2/CO2 balance? POC On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: Yes, but it ends up giving the process of burning hydrocarbons a negative efficiency if you have to use energy to turn the CO2 into solid carbon. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:06 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant Are there ways of turning carbon into a SOLID which could be used for roads, building materials etc. and not get into the atmosphere? POC On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, James Slayden wrote: use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning the O2 for CHP. James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
But then you have to sequester the algae or the carbon is back in the above ground environment when it decays or is burned. Cheaper to leave the carbon underground in the first place. Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant What about a suggestion someone made earlier to use the CO2 for aquaculture (eg algae production; perhaps other plants as well)? Don't plants give off O2 to restore the O2/CO2 balance? POC On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: Yes, but it ends up giving the process of burning hydrocarbons a negative efficiency if you have to use energy to turn the CO2 into solid carbon. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:06 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant Are there ways of turning carbon into a SOLID which could be used for roads, building materials etc. and not get into the atmosphere? POC On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, James Slayden wrote: use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning the O2 for CHP. James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
Are there ways of turning carbon into a SOLID which could be used for roads, building materials etc. and not get into the atmosphere? POC On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, James Slayden wrote: use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning the O2 for CHP. James Slayden On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, kirk wrote: LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:19 PM To: Martin Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
ALCOA has carbon plants where they made large electrodes I believe for aluminum smelters as I recall. I was doing pc repair for them about 18 years ago, and remember having to clean the carbon dust out of their Lanier word processors. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant Are there ways of turning carbon into a SOLID which could be used for roads, building materials etc. and not get into the atmosphere? POC On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, James Slayden wrote: use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning the O2 for CHP. James Slayden On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, kirk wrote: LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:19 PM To: Martin Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
Yes, but it ends up giving the process of burning hydrocarbons a negative efficiency if you have to use energy to turn the CO2 into solid carbon. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:06 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant Are there ways of turning carbon into a SOLID which could be used for roads, building materials etc. and not get into the atmosphere? POC On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, James Slayden wrote: use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning the O2 for CHP. James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
gingerale? ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
The more alternative clean technologies we have, the better. POC On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: I would suggest just what I said - spend a billion dollars on something that is proven to work cleaner than coal. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:19 PM To: Martin Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/bbvVKB/oEZFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:19 PM To: Martin Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, kirk wrote: LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. You tell us. Can you think of no product which would be benign? POC Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:19 PM To: Martin Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
I have heard stories from putting dry ice on the ocean floor, to the method you describe. We don't really need anymore carbon to deal with on the surface of the earth, do we? --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning the O2 for CHP. James Slayden On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, kirk wrote: LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:19 PM To: Martin Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
Problem is the carbon oxygen bond is energetic. Thats why it gets so hot when they unite. To reverse it you have to supply that energy. The process has inefficiency so you see the energy needed to remove the carbon could easily be 4 times the total electrical output of the power plant. Kirk -Original Message- From: James Slayden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:37 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning the O2 for CHP. James Slayden On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, kirk wrote: LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:19 PM To: Martin Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: A representative went on to say: biofuels? You mean wood? Of course, the $1B couldn't be better spent on something like, say: SOLAR or WIND power. Seriously, they want to trap the carbon dioxide that comes out, and do WHAT with it. What would you suggest? POC Convert it to carbon and release the oxygen? The car that runs on water comes to mind, with the only by-product being water. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:40 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/28/science/28COAL.html U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant By ANDREW C. REVKIN The Energy Department yesterday announced plans to build an experimental power plant within 10 years that runs on coal but emits no carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping greenhouse gas that makes coal plants major contributors to global warming. The project, called FutureGen, is considered a first step toward creating a generation of coal-fueled power plants that emit no greenhouse gases and cost no more than 10 percent extra to run, department officials said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels
RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant
Solar, wind and biofuels can supply all our needs. Kirk -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:58 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant I have heard stories from putting dry ice on the ocean floor, to the method you describe. We don't really need anymore carbon to deal with on the surface of the earth, do we? --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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our needs, yes, but not our wants. That is the crux of the problem. As a race, we have many unnecessary wants, and feel it's our god given right to obtain them, even at the expense of others. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant Solar, wind and biofuels can supply all our needs. Kirk -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:58 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant I have heard stories from putting dry ice on the ocean floor, to the method you describe. We don't really need anymore carbon to deal with on the surface of the earth, do we? --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant LOL Is this the filter through hydrated CaO so it makes CaCO3 ? Is the CO2 emitted at the kiln where CaCo3 is made into CaO part of the equation? Just wondering. Then there is the alternate plan of sequestering CO2 plus who knows what underground. That should make acid groundwater instead of acid rain. A cure of some kind I am sure. The dissolved minerals should be a welcome addition to any water supply. ;) What will be the cost to the taxpayers to obtain potable water? Considering this is the same group of troglodytes that thinks genetically modified crops are our answer to a prayer I suppose it all makes sense. :) Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
