Re: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo
I have been thinking about that also, what other ways are there to break a glyceride from the ester with alcohol. I have read the supercritical methanol method, but that is too severe for home brewing. Seems that only heat and pressure would do . but there has to be another way. I'm sure if I was a chemist or a process engineer I might have an inkling, but since I'm not James Slayden On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Greg and April wrote: I have wondered if UV could be used to cause the reaction between the oil and alcohol, then that would be one less item needed to make BioDiesel. Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 20:36 Subject: RE: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo I suspect the uv will promote chemical reactions. Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo
No. UV treatment does not alter the water chemically. Only energy is added, which produces heat, resulting in a temperature rise in the treated water/wvo. Actually UV radiation must strike the organism to kill it. In this process some of the radiation energy is absorbed by the organism and other constituents in the medium surrounding the organisms. So if sufficient dosage of UV reach the organisms water/wvo can be disinfected. The germicidal effect of UV energy is said to be associated with its absorption by certain organic components essential for the functioning of cells. Dissipation of energy by excitation causes disruption of unsaturated bonds, particularly of the purines and pyrimidines, and this leads to lethal biochemical changes in the micro-organisms. However, I'm not sure of how UV would act on wvo (especially its property of disrupting the unsaturated bonds should be considered here). Kavitha. kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I suspect the uv will promote chemical reactions. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:07 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo As has been described, wvo becomes rancid after a short time in storage at room temperature. This deterioration prevents it from being stockpiled for long periods. The deterioration, I presume, is the result of bacteria buildup with time. In water treatment, a uv lamp can be used effectively to remove coliform bacteria, by placing the uv lamp in the line through which the water is drawn for use. Why couldn't bacteria in wvo be removed by similar uf treatment? This could be done continuously, or semi continuously, by pumping a small stream of wvo from the tank, drawing it from the tank bottom with a small submersible pump and allowing the uv treated wvo to drop back into the top of the tank. Assume a 1000 gal tank. Alternatively, the wvo stream could be heated and returned to the tank. Any idea of what temperature and for how long the residence time through the heater? Or would both heating and uv treatment be required? Comments? Glenn Ellis Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the uv will promote chemical reactions. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:07 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo As has been described, wvo becomes rancid after a short time in storage at room temperature. This deterioration prevents it from being stockpiled for long periods. The deterioration, I presume, is the result of bacteria buildup with time. In water treatment, a uv lamp can be used effectively to remove coliform bacteria, by placing the uv lamp in the line through which the water is drawn for use. Why couldn't bacteria in wvo be removed by similar uf treatment? This could be done continuously, or semi continuously, by pumping a small stream of wvo from the tank, drawing it from the tank bottom with a small submersible pump and allowing the uv treated wvo to drop back into the top of the tank. Assume a 1000 gal tank. Alternatively, the wvo stream could be heated and returned to the tank. Any idea of what temperature and for how long the residence time through the heater? Or would both heating and uv treatment be required? Comments? Glenn Ellis --- End forwarded message ---
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kirk. I suppose that is possible. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, hobbbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes yes yes...this is correct...question how much water are you trying to treat and how quickly...I have a home system that does exactly this and it via the UV kills 140 things that I cannot begin to pronounce...help me out here as I am new to this list...what is -- wvo Greg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] stockpiling wvo As has been described, wvo becomes rancid after a short time in storage at room temperature. This deterioration prevents it from being stockpiled for long periods. The deterioration, I presume, is the result of bacteria buildup with time. In water treatment, a uv lamp can be used effectively to remove coliform bacteria, by placing the uv lamp in the line through which the water is drawn for use. Why couldn't bacteria in wvo be removed by similar uf treatment? This could be done continuously, or semi continuously, by pumping a small stream of wvo from the tank, drawing it from the tank bottom with a small submersible pump and allowing the uv treated wvo to drop back into the top of the tank. Assume a 1000 gal tank. Alternatively, the wvo stream could be heated and returned to the tank. Any idea of what temperature and for how long the residence time through the heater? Or would both heating and uv treatment be required? Comments? Glenn Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
