RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives
Yeh,, I always wondered about this. Scrapping things is truly wasteful, rather than repairing them coz we lose the 'embodied energy'. Some recent research here claims that trains use so much energy that even if at rush hour if all the passengers had to use a car that it would not be more than that used by the train.Scary, isn't it..so much for 'green transport'. But the traffic congestion would be much worse. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 13 October 2004 16:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives Hey Don, several times in the past on this list, it has been shown that the energy needed ( and the pollution that goes with it ) to make a new car, is higher that what it takes to keep an older vehicle running ( with proper maintenance ). I saw that article, and couldn't help but think that it was a step backwards. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 05:12 Subject: RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives The Uk is introducing a Euro directive (ELV ) End of Life Vehicles directive concerning de-pollution and recycling scrap cars. Govt study, prior to adopting this new legislation reports that the average age of an 'end of life ' car in the UK is 16.5 years. We obviously do have cars that last longer, that figure is only a national average, but you guys in warmer climes seem to be doing better than us. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives
The Uk is introducing a Euro directive (ELV ) End of Life Vehicles directive concerning de-pollution and recycling scrap cars. Govt study, prior to adopting this new legislation reports that the average age of an 'end of life ' car in the UK is 16.5 years. We obviously do have cars that last longer, that figure is only a national average, but you guys in warmer climes seem to be doing better than us. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Lane Sent: 13 October 2004 10:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives oops, i wasn't quite clear enough on a couple things. with only one exception all the vehicles i'm talking about are 10+ years old ranging on up to around 25 years old. maybe they're just good quality? the older ones are all european diesels, which might well be part of the reason why they've done so well. snip erik --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik, thanks. My impression is also that diesels do not have the same problems that petrol has. Maybe they are now making exhausts better that they used to only 10 years ago. snip mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Lane Sent: 11 October 2004 23:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives
Hey Don, several times in the past on this list, it has been shown that the energy needed ( and the pollution that goes with it ) to make a new car, is higher that what it takes to keep an older vehicle running ( with proper maintenance ). I saw that article, and couldn't help but think that it was a step backwards. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 05:12 Subject: RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives The Uk is introducing a Euro directive (ELV ) End of Life Vehicles directive concerning de-pollution and recycling scrap cars. Govt study, prior to adopting this new legislation reports that the average age of an 'end of life ' car in the UK is 16.5 years. We obviously do have cars that last longer, that figure is only a national average, but you guys in warmer climes seem to be doing better than us. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
