Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
of the Evolution of Eukaryotic Cells often referred to as the endosymbiotic theory ... our own cells would be in great danger if bacterial cells were destroyed as many of the organelles (ex. mitochondria) within our cells appear to be bacterial in origin. (More Lewis Thomas: A good case can be made for our nonexistence as entities We are shared, rented, occupied. At the interior of our cells, driving them, . .. are the mitochondria, and in a strict sense they are not ours. They turn out to be little separate creatures, the colonial posterity of migrant prokaryotes, probably primitive bacteriathat swam into ancestral precursors of our eukaryotic cells and stayed there. . My cells are no longer the pure line entities I was raised with; they are ecosystems more complex than Jamaica Bay. Wouldn't the essential components of our celluar ecosystems each have different signature frequencies? The cells of eukaryotic organisms, such as ourselves, would then have a symphony of frequencies rather than a signature frequency. The fact that the Rife machine allegedly cures cancer in humans, also causes some conceptual problems for me. Cancer cells are our cells. They are different from the other cells of our bodies hence properly functioning white blood cells recognize and destroy them ... at least most of the time. Their increased sensitivity to certain poisons is the basis for chemotherapy. If a specific frequency kills cancer cells, why wouldn't a different frequency kill normal cells? I had never heard of a Rife machine before. They certainly are available if one wanted to buy one. Has anyone even been killed by a poorly calibrated machine? A quote from Future Tech Today's site: You get the ability to sweep through hundreds or even millions of frequencies over however long a period of time that you like. Wouldn't such a sweep wipe out beneficial microbes essential to healthy skin, digestive tracts. etc? Wouldn't such a sweep kill healthy cells? I don't dismiss the concept out of hand, but the more I know about the machine, the more conceptual problems rise to the surface. D. you wrote: The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. Where can I find this information? Tom - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you, huh? And of course you can find all sorts of like-minded experts espousing disinfo to back up your claims. You seem to be permanently the closed minded skeptic wearing proudly your blinders of hard core arrogant ignorance. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
D, You certainly have answered my request for info. It may take a while to educate myself. The days are so short now I take whatever opportunity presents itself to get some projects done. With sunshine and temps holding in the mid 50's, I'm still closing up the garden and harvesting leaves from the ground for the compost pile (mountain). My wife (sweeheart) suggested I move the pumpkin patch so we can grow more edibles in the garden next year. She's showing signs of coming around to my idea of growing a good part of the food we eat rather than gardening at the local market. I mention this because I believe that you don't often turn another's opinion 180 degrees in one swell foop, but rather with slight deflections. Long before you see eye-to-eye, there is common ground, a certain amount of shared viewpoint. Often, that's enough. You know, when someone says I agree with you 100%, I assume they either weren't listening, or didn't understand what I said. Hope this makes sense. Best to you, Tom - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Tom, Here's an excerpt from: http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/medical-history.html Royal Raymond Rife The first story is about the Rife radio frequency machine. Royal Raymond Rife was born 1888, in Elkhorn, Nebraska. Rife's passions were microscopes, microbiology, and electronics. What is an undisputed fact is Rife's genius in building incredibly complex light microscopes. Roy built five in total, the largest and most powerful was his Universal Microscope made with just over 5,200 parts. Electron microscopes today are more powerful but they kill the minute organisms Rife was attempting to see. You have to be able to see them alive in order to identify them and, more importantly, identify what kills them. It took Rife about twelve years, between 1920-1932, to isolate the cancer microbe. He named it the BX virus. [There was another too, called BY virus] Rife began subjecting the cancer microbe to different radio frequencies to see if it was affected by them. After experimenting for thousands of hours, Rife discovered what he called the Mortal Oscillatory Rate of the cancer microbe. Simply, the exact frequency that killed it. Rife successfully cured cancer in over 400 experimental animals before testing was ready for humans. Dr. Millbank Johnson, a close friend of Rife's, set up the Special Medical Research Committee to witness what transpired at this first clinic. In the summer of 1934, sixteen terminally ill cancer patients were given three minutes of the frequency every day. They soon learned that this was too much because the human body needed more time to dispose of the dead toxins. They were given three minutes every third day. Fourteen of the supposedly terminally ill patients were clear of cancer and healthy when the clinic closed after three months. The other two patients were pronounced cured one month after the clinic closed. There were very minimal, if any, short term side effects. Rife wrote in 1953; 16 cases were treated at the clinic for many types of malignancy. After 3 months, 14 of these so-called hopeless cases were signed off as clinically cured by the staff of five medical doctors and Dr. Alvin G. Foord, M.D., pathologist for the group. In 1937 Rife and some colleagues established a company called Beam Ray. They manufactured fourteen Frequency Instruments. Dr. James Couche, who was present at the clinic, used one of Rife's machines with great success for 22 years. The most powerful man in medicine at this time was Dr. Morris Fishbein. He was chief editor of the American Medical Association's (AMA) Journal. Fishbein had failed anatomy and never treated a patient in his life. His only motivation was money and power. He decided which drugs were to be sold to the public based solely on the drug manufacturers' willingness to pay the advertising rates that he set. Fishbein heard about Rife's frequency machine and wanted to buy a share. The offer was refused. He then offered Phil Hoyland, an investor, legal assistance to enable him to steal the company from Rife and the other investors. A lawsuit ensued. The trial of 1939 put an end to any proper scientific investigation of the Frequency Instrument. The trial was the undoing of Rife. Not used to being savagely attacked in open court he crumbled under the pressure. Although he won the case, he turned to alcohol and became an alcoholic. Fishbein used his pervasive power within the AMA to thwart further investigation of Rife's work. Dr. Millbank Johnson died in 1944. In 1950 Rife joined up with John Crane who was an electrical engineer. They worked together for ten years building more advanced
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
To the best of my knowledge the Einstein patents are for D.C. Not rambling at all. Interesting reflections. Kirk Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk, I would be interested to know if the electromedicine you refer to for virus control modifies the environment around cells .. ex makes it difficult for the virus to attach to host cells for proliferation .. or does it rely on signature frequencies of the viruses themselves, as I understand to be the principle of the Rife machine. Electromedicine has been around for some time, and for many different reasons .. ex electric shock therapy. I have heard that it has been used with some success on wounds ... broken/shattered bones that resisted healing. I've also heard reports of rudimentary regeneration of lost limbs (very limited growth) that included treatment w. electricity. This seems, to me, to be very different from targeting specific pathogens and cancer cells based on their particular electromagnetic frequency. I'm just curious . the article you refer to re: serum oxygenation vs hemoglobin saturation . when was that written? The explanation ... a beautiful example of biochemical evolution I think is based on the structure of hemoglobin and the fact that its affinity for O2 increases with each O2 (up to 4) that binds to it a sigmoidal curve rather (% saturation as a function of O2 partial pressure) than the linear graph of serum O2 was worked out in the mid to late 1970's. Hemoglobin serves as a reservoir for O2. It holds O2 even though the partial pressure in surrounding tissues has dropped. Otherwise it would in a sense blow its load before the circ. circuit is completed. In fact Hemoglobin (saturated at pO2 of 100 mm Hg) still remains about 70% saturated after passing through tissue capillaries (pO2 ~40mm Hg). This acts as a reserve in the event that demand increases due to exercise (stress). It also allows us to survive respiratory stress due to disease.There are interesting differences in O2 dissociation curves for hemoglobin based on size (metabolic rate): mouse vs rat vs dog vs human vs horse, altitude: llama vs horse, and for fetus vs. mother. Sorry to ramble ... make a note: less caffeine for Tom Best to you, Tom - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Actually there is hard evidence. The Albert Einstein School of Medicine has taken out several patents in electromedicine re virus control. Evereyone knows that is quackery - lol. Another fellow to listen to is William Campbell Douglass III MD. He is using electrotherapy in Africa since it is a felony in the US to practice heretical medicine. He is arresting aids and hepatitis. I read an interesting paper he wrote re serum oxygenation levels. Seems they are as much or more important as hemoglobin levels. Serum oxygenation responds rapidly and profoundly to introduction of stress/toxins - seems it is a better indicator of tissue health. He has a graph showing oxygenation levels taking a dive within 30 minutes of an innoculation. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you, huh? And of course you can find all sorts of like-minded experts espousing disinfo to back up your claims. You seem to be permanently the closed minded skeptic wearing proudly your blinders of hard core arrogant ignorance. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Why would you want to cure scepticism? It's great fun Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cured myself of scepticism using a Rife machine. Joe Street wrote: I Tom; I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original wavelengths No heat? Some heat would be dissipated as there are always losses in materials. The amount would equal the energy in the incoming spectra minus the energy in the radiated spectra. I ask about the heat because the brightness of the field of view of a microscope is inversely proportional to the magnification. At 6000X a very high illumination, or emission of light would be necessary in order to see anything. Heat could be bad. Would the object continue to emit light after the sources were stopped (a la glow in the dark frisbees ... electrons doing quantum leaps)? Would there be pulses or continuous flow? No the radiated light would only be the result of mixing of components in the incomming spectra. It would be continuous if the lamp was on continuously. This would require that both the source waves be focused onto a point
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Apparently 46.7% of statistices are made up on the spot!!! Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well according to the official numbers 43% of all statistics are totally worthlessso where does that leave your argument? Plus you haven't provided any data to back up your argument. You stand in violation of list rules bud. Besides your post was very skeptical. Yep no doubt you are still sick. Try colloidal silver, I hear it cures anything. ;) Mike Weaver wrote: I'm not sure a second opinion is called for. I really haven't seen any evidence second opinions are even effective. Most studies show that fewer than 23% of second opinions are even useful. -Weaver Joe Street wrote: Better get a second opinion, I don't think the cure 'took'. j;) Mike Weaver wrote: I cured myself of scepticism using a Rife machine. Joe Street wrote: I Tom; I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you, huh? And of course you can find all sorts of like-minded experts espousing disinfo to back up your claims. You seem to be permanently the closed minded skeptic wearing proudly your blinders of hard core arrogant ignorance. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Hello All, Out of curiosity I looked at a few of the sites that promote/sell Rife Machines. I thought they were sold to individuals (doctor's?) trained in their use. The ability to kill cells, pathogenic or not, seems to be serious stuff. I try to imagine signature frequency, a specific frequency characteristic of each species. Lewis Thomas, in THE LIVES OF A CELL, suggests that the most common feature of all living things is uniqueness. He doesn't mean uniqueness between species, but within species as well. Every organism on earth is unique some have formed interesting collaborations making it difficult to separate them and keep them alive . difficult to see where one ends and the other(s) begin. The very concept of species is the result of our efforts to group/classify in order to make the vast array of life manageable for us. It is an artificial entity and increasingly difficult to define. If living cells emit electromagnetic frequencies, I find it hard to conceptualize that, given uniqueness, they would be the same for each member of a species and that there wouldn't be overlap between members of different species. With the growing acceptance of Lynn Margulis' Theory of the Evolution of Eukaryotic Cells often referred to as the endosymbiotic theory ... our own cells would be in great danger if bacterial cells were destroyed as many of the organelles (ex. mitochondria) within our cells appear to be bacterial in origin. (More Lewis Thomas: A good case can be made for our nonexistence as entities We are shared, rented, occupied. At the interior of our cells, driving them, . .. are the mitochondria, and in a strict sense they are not ours. They turn out to be little separate creatures, the colonial posterity of migrant prokaryotes, probably primitive bacteriathat swam into ancestral precursors of our eukaryotic cells and stayed there. . My cells are no longer the pure line entities I was raised with; they are ecosystems more complex than Jamaica Bay. Wouldn't the essential components of our celluar ecosystems each have different signature frequencies? The cells of eukaryotic organisms, such as ourselves, would then have a symphony of frequencies rather than a signature frequency. The fact that the Rife machine allegedly cures cancer in humans, also causes some conceptual problems for me. Cancer cells are our cells. They are different from the other cells of our bodies hence properly functioning white blood cells recognize and destroy them ... at least most of the time. Their increased sensitivity to certain poisons is the basis for chemotherapy. If a specific frequency kills cancer cells, why wouldn't a different frequency kill normal cells? I had never heard of a Rife machine before. They certainly are available if one wanted to buy one. Has anyone even been killed by a poorly calibrated machine? A quote from Future Tech Today's site: You get the ability to sweep through hundreds or even millions of frequencies over however long a period of time that you like. Wouldn't such a sweep wipe out beneficial microbes essential to healthy skin, digestive tracts. etc? Wouldn't such a sweep kill healthy cells? I don't dismiss the concept out of hand, but the more I know about the machine, the more conceptual problems rise to the surface. D. you wrote: The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. Where can I find this information? Tom - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you, huh? And of course you can find all sorts of like-minded experts espousing disinfo to back up your claims. You seem to be permanently the closed minded skeptic wearing proudly your blinders of hard core arrogant ignorance. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Actually there is hard evidence. The Albert Einstein School of Medicine has taken out several patents in electromedicine re virus control. Evereyone knows that is quackery - lol. Another fellow to listen to is William Campbell Douglass III MD. He is using electrotherapy in Africa since it is a felony in the US to practice heretical medicine. He is arresting aids and hepatitis. I read an interesting paper he wrote re serum oxygenation levels. Seems they are as much or more important as hemoglobin levels. Serum oxygenation responds rapidly and profoundly to introduction of stress/toxins - seems it is a better indicator of tissue health. He has a graph showing oxygenation levels taking a dive within 30 minutes of an innoculation. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you, huh? And of course you can find all sorts of like-minded experts espousing disinfo to back up your claims. You seem to be permanently the closed minded skeptic wearing proudly your blinders of hard core arrogant ignorance. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Sponsored Link Degrees for working adults in as fast as 1 year. Bachelors, Masters, Associates. Top schools___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
DMindock said, SnipThe AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. Snip Would you please verify this statement with a link or source evidence that proves it happened? Jim - Original Message - From: D. Mindockmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you, huh? And of course you can find all sorts of like-minded experts espousing disinfo to back up your claims. You seem to be permanently the closed minded skeptic wearing proudly your blinders of hard core arrogant ignorance. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Kirk, I would be interested to know if the electromedicine you refer to for virus control modifies the environment around cells .. ex makes it difficult for the virus to attach to host cells for proliferation .. or does it rely on signature frequencies of the viruses themselves, as I understand to be the principle of the Rife machine. Electromedicine has been around for some time, and for many different reasons .. ex electric shock therapy. I have heard that it has been used with some success on wounds ... broken/shattered bones that resisted healing. I've also heard reports of rudimentary regeneration of lost limbs (very limited growth) that included treatment w. electricity. This seems, to me, to be very different from targeting specific pathogens and cancer cells based on their particular electromagnetic frequency. I'm just curious . the article you refer to re: serum oxygenation vs hemoglobin saturation . when was that written? The explanation ... a beautiful example of biochemical evolution I think is based on the structure of hemoglobin and the fact that its affinity for O2 increases with each O2 (up to 4) that binds to it a sigmoidal curve rather (% saturation as a function of O2 partial pressure) than the linear graph of serum O2 was worked out in the mid to late 1970's. Hemoglobin serves as a reservoir for O2. It holds O2 even though the partial pressure in surrounding tissues has dropped. Otherwise it would in a sense blow its load before the circ. circuit is completed. In fact Hemoglobin (saturated at pO2 of 100 mm Hg) still remains about 70% saturated after passing through tissue capillaries (pO2 ~40mm Hg). This acts as a reserve in the event that demand increases due to exercise (stress). It also allows us to survive respiratory stress due to disease.There are interesting differences in O2 dissociation curves for hemoglobin based on size (metabolic rate): mouse vs rat vs dog vs human vs horse, altitude: llama vs horse, and for fetus vs. mother. Sorry to ramble ... make a note: less caffeine for Tom Best to you, Tom - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Actually there is hard evidence. The Albert Einstein School of Medicine has taken out several patents in electromedicine re virus control. Evereyone knows that is quackery - lol. Another fellow to listen to is William Campbell Douglass III MD. He is using electrotherapy in Africa since it is a felony in the US to practice heretical medicine. He is arresting aids and hepatitis. I read an interesting paper he wrote re serum oxygenation levels. Seems they are as much or more important as hemoglobin levels. Serum oxygenation responds rapidly and profoundly to introduction of stress/toxins - seems it is a better indicator of tissue health. He has a graph showing oxygenation levels taking a dive within 30 minutes of an innoculation. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you, huh? And of course you can find all sorts of like-minded experts espousing disinfo to back up your claims. You seem to be permanently the closed minded skeptic wearing proudly your blinders of hard core arrogant ignorance. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob
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Oh yeah, that Diogenes Honestly, Best to you, Tom - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine I remember reading a comment by Rife that viral organisms seemed to be somewhat crystalline in nature. He was the Lewis and Clark of this phenomena so a lot has to be understood yet. W. Campbell Douglass MD and Albert Einstein School of Medicine patents would be a good starting place. A lot of bogus Rife stuff is for sale. You need Diogenes and his lamp. Kirk Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Out of curiosity I looked at a few of the sites that promote/sell Rife Machines. I thought they were sold to individuals (doctor's?) trained in their use. The ability to kill cells, pathogenic or not, seems to be serious stuff. I try to imagine signature frequency, a specific frequency characteristic of each species. Lewis Thomas, in THE LIVES OF A CELL, suggests that the most common feature of all living things is uniqueness. He doesn't mean uniqueness between species, but within species as well. Every organism on earth is unique some have formed interesting collaborations making it difficult to separate them and keep them alive . difficult to see where one ends and the other(s) begin. The very concept of species is the result of our efforts to group/classify in order to make the vast array of life manageable for us. It is an artificial entity and increasingly difficult to define. If living cells emit electromagnetic frequencies, I find it hard to conceptualize that, given uniqueness, they would be the same for each member of a species and that there wouldn't be overlap between members of different species. With the growing acceptance of Lynn Margulis' Theory of the Evolution of Eukaryotic Cells often referred to as the endosymbiotic theory ... our own cells would be in great danger if bacterial cells were destroyed as many of the organelles (ex. mitochondria) within our cells appear to be bacterial in origin. (More Lewis Thomas: A good case can be made for our nonexistence as entities We are shared, rented, occupied. At the interior of our cells, driving them, . .. are the mitochondria, and in a strict sense they are not ours. They turn out to be little separate creatures, the colonial posterity of migrant prokaryotes, probably primitive bacteriathat swam into ancestral precursors of our eukaryotic cells and stayed there. . My cells are no longer the pure line entities I was raised with; they are ecosystems more complex than Jamaica Bay. Wouldn't the essential components of our celluar ecosystems each have different signature frequencies? The cells of eukaryotic organisms, such as ourselves, would then have a symphony of frequencies rather than a signature frequency. The fact that the Rife machine allegedly cures cancer in humans, also causes some conceptual problems for me. Cancer cells are our cells. They are different from the other cells of our bodies hence properly functioning white blood cells recognize and destroy them ... at least most of the time. Their increased sensitivity to certain poisons is the basis for chemotherapy. If a specific frequency kills cancer cells, why wouldn't a different frequency kill normal cells? I had never heard of a Rife machine before. They certainly are available if one wanted to buy one. Has anyone even been killed by a poorly calibrated machine? A quote from Future Tech Today's site: You get the ability to sweep through hundreds or even millions of frequencies over however long a period of time that you like. Wouldn't such a sweep wipe out beneficial microbes essential to healthy skin, digestive tracts. etc? Wouldn't such a sweep kill healthy cells? I don't dismiss the concept out of hand, but the more I know about the machine, the more conceptual problems rise to the surface. D. you wrote: The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. Where can I find this information? Tom - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine The AMA tried to buy the exclusive rights to Rife's technology. When he rejected them, he was blackballed by the AMA. Bob, the conspiracy was right there, out in the open. You don't know of what you speak. But that's never detered you
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I Tom; I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original wavelengths No heat? Some heat would be dissipated as there are always losses in materials. The amount would equal the energy in the incoming spectra minus the energy in the radiated spectra. I ask about the heat because the brightness of the field of view of a microscope is inversely proportional to the magnification. At 6000X a very high illumination, or emission of light would be necessary in order to see anything. Heat could be bad. Would the object continue to emit light after the sources were stopped (a la glow in the dark frisbees ... electrons doing quantum leaps)? Would there be pulses or continuous flow? No the radiated light would only be the result of mixing of components in the incomming spectra. It would be continuous if the lamp was on continuously. This would require that both the source waves be focused onto a point whch has the property of a semiconducting junction . The points we are referring to are microscopic . a trillion viruses in a period (New Times Roman 12) at the end of a sentence. I'm
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I cured myself of scepticism using a Rife machine. Joe Street wrote: I Tom; I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original wavelengths No heat? Some heat would be dissipated as there are always losses in materials. The amount would equal the energy in the incoming spectra minus the energy in the radiated spectra. I ask about the heat because the brightness of the field of view of a microscope is inversely proportional to the magnification. At 6000X a very high illumination, or emission of light would be necessary in order to see anything. Heat could be bad. Would the object continue to emit light after the sources were stopped (a la glow in the dark frisbees ... electrons doing quantum leaps)? Would there be pulses or continuous flow? No the radiated light would only be the result of mixing of components in the incomming spectra. It would be continuous if the lamp was on continuously. This would require that both the source waves be focused onto a point whch has the property of a semiconducting junction .
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Better get a second opinion, I don't think the cure 'took'. j;) Mike Weaver wrote: I cured myself of scepticism using a Rife machine. Joe Street wrote: I Tom; I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original wavelengths No heat? Some heat would be dissipated as there are always losses in materials. The amount would equal the energy in the incoming spectra minus the energy in the radiated spectra. I ask about the heat because the brightness of the field of view of a microscope is inversely proportional to the magnification. At 6000X a very high illumination, or emission of light would be necessary in order to see anything. Heat could be bad. Would the object continue to emit light after the sources were stopped (a la glow in the dark frisbees ... electrons doing quantum leaps)? Would there be pulses or continuous flow? No the radiated light would only be the result of mixing of components in the incomming spectra. It would be continuous if the lamp was on continuously. This would require that both the source waves be focused onto a point whch
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Good point Bob, Also what about good bacteria that play as much a role in our health as bad? how do you discriminate so you just kill the bad'ns? Jim From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:25:25 -0600 big snip Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . isn't anybody bothered by such a broad claim as curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria That alone is enough to make me highly skeptical of anything else. And the invocation of big whatever conspiracy to suppress this miracle invention cinches it. oh, and ascribing a particular resonant frequency to a bacteria or virus, to be selective one should have a different frequency for each bacteria or virus. Aside from this machine, if this phenomena were true, shouldn't there be data from other sources, hopefully something found via google scholar? -- Bob Allen, ozarker.org/bob -- Actually we are all atheists. When you understand why you have rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have rejected yours. -Author unknown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
I'm not sure a second opinion is called for. I really haven't seen any evidence second opinions are even effective. Most studies show that fewer than 23% of second opinions are even useful. -Weaver Joe Street wrote: Better get a second opinion, I don't think the cure 'took'. j;) Mike Weaver wrote: I cured myself of scepticism using a Rife machine. Joe Street wrote: I Tom; I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original wavelengths No heat? Some heat would be dissipated as there are always losses in materials. The amount would equal the energy in the incoming spectra minus the energy in the radiated spectra. I ask about the heat because the brightness of the field of view of a microscope is inversely proportional to the magnification. At 6000X a very high illumination, or emission of light would be necessary in order to see anything. Heat could be bad. Would the object continue to emit light after the sources were stopped (a la glow in the dark frisbees ... electrons doing quantum leaps)? Would there be pulses or continuous flow? No the
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Well according to the official numbers 43% of all statistics are totally worthlessso where does that leave your argument? Plus you haven't provided any data to back up your argument. You stand in violation of list rules bud. Besides your post was very skeptical. Yep no doubt you are still sick. Try colloidal silver, I hear it cures anything. ;) Mike Weaver wrote: I'm not sure a second opinion is called for. I really haven't seen any evidence second opinions are even effective. Most studies show that fewer than 23% of second opinions are even useful. -Weaver Joe Street wrote: Better get a second opinion, I don't think the cure 'took'. j;) Mike Weaver wrote: I cured myself of scepticism using a Rife machine. Joe Street wrote: I Tom; I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original wavelengths No heat? Some heat would be dissipated as there are always losses in materials. The amount would equal the energy in the incoming spectra minus the energy in the radiated spectra. I ask about the heat
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
If you pump smething and it fluoresces you know it is there even if you cant tell a square from a circle Kirk Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well according to the official numbers 43% of all statistics are totally worthlessso where does that leave your argument? Plus you haven't provided any data to back up your argument. You stand in violation of list rules bud. Besides your post was very skeptical. Yep no doubt you are still sick. Try colloidal silver, I hear it cures anything. ;) Mike Weaver wrote: I'm not sure a second opinion is called for. I really haven't seen any evidence second opinions are even effective. Most studies show that fewer than 23% of second opinions are even useful.-WeaverJoe Street wrote: Better get a second opinion, I don't think the cure 'took'.j;)Mike Weaver wrote: I cured myself of scepticism using a Rife machine.Joe Street wrote: I Tom;I was thinking more on this after I posted and realized just what you are saying. I asked myself ok what if heterodynes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne were generated in some object smaller than a micron and I was looking at it with a conventional microscope. I suppose that I would see a light source but I wouldn't be able to resolve it's shape due to the limitations of the optics. More comments below... Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. Exactly. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? They could be although they wouldn't have to be monochromatic. A broad band light source containing spectral components that are suitably spaced to create the difference frequency we need ( in the visible spectrum) would work fine. So then I asked myself why I have never seen anything curious like this. We were talking about mixing two UV wavelengths (due to the ability of the short wavelengths to offer superior resolution) but if harmonic mixing could take place as we are talking about it could happen with wavelengths from any part of the visible or invisible spectrum. Your typical optical scope uses a halogen bulb which is a heavy radiator in the infrared. Harmonic mixing of sub visible spectra should result in heterodynes (sum frequencies) up in the visible. I mean light from the infrared end ( say 900 nm) could mix with light from the UV end ( say 400 nm) to result in a difference frequency of 450 THz which would have a wavelength of 660 nm right in the red wavelength area of the visible spectrum. So why has no-one noticed this? The answer is probably due to switching speed. In a semiconducting junction pairs of charge carriers are formed when a current flows. When the wave polarity reverses these charge carriers have to move to prevent current flow in the opposite direction ( this is the essence of the switching action which IS the non linearity which creates the heterodyne effect) If the charge carriers cannot move fast enough in the material to perform this function then the material will not act as a harmonic mixer. Switching speeds would have to be exceedingly fast to heterodyne light. For example for a 500nm wavelength ( mid visible spectrum) the frequency of this light wave would be 600 e12 Hz! (THz) The fastest semiconductors manufactured are about 10 000 times slower than this (60 Ghz to maybe 100 Ghz). Superconducting josephson junctions are touted to be about ten times faster than conventional semiconductors but that still only gets us up to 1 THz. I was initially wondering if something in a DNA strand could act as a switch at these frequencies but of course if it were possible we would see the colours of the rainbow emmanating from some points in the cell nucleus which would be too small to resolve. The world would probably look quite different if harmonic mixing of light was happening anywhere! Only two wavelengths
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Hi Marylynn, Thanks for sharing the herbal formula. I will try it. I knew about graviola wrt to cancer. That herb has quite a story behind it. The four herbs together have to be quite potent. I passed it on to a friend who has a friend with advanced cancer. I think everyone should know about Royal Rife's life. It illustrates how much the science scene is controlled by not by the search for truth but by the quest for profits with no regard to anything that gets in the way. Millions of people have died needlessly and millions more will die, all because of greed. Science (the fake kind) is used as a smokescreen, to legitimize their evil ways. Rife was a true scientist of the highest order. Nothing fake about him. I am going to do some research to find out which Rife machine is the real deal. There are not that many out there on the net. Prices range from $97 to $15,000. Love and peace, D. Mindock P.S. Yeah, Rife was on the order of Tesla wrt using scientific discipline to solve any problem they encountered. Both started out brilliantly but eventually encountered the dark forces of ignorance and greed. Where would the world be if everyone, including corporations, lived by the Golden Rule? Hi D .. and of course that's right .. but Royal Raymond Rife's story is so much like Nicholi Tesla's story. Major success .. approach for funding .. strange accidents begin to happen in labs .. Tesla, I believe was actually jailed and then died in jail .. his documents were mysteriously lost .. Rife had quite a few accidental fires, brake in's, equipment destroyed .. the medical community (and/or their supporters) actually purchased some of his equipment supplier's and would .. humm .. no longer supply him .. all sorts of persecution .. which of course is documented. The problem with Rife (as is the same for Tesla) is that so much of his data was destroyed. While many of his followers have faithfully re-constructed his work, and their work is valid, there are also many that make claims that have no validity. You do need to be a bit careful when going after rife healing .. not everyone is who they said they are. Also .. I work with some herbs .. Graviolaa, Andrographis, Chaparral, Neem .. all very common (common names) and easily obtained herbs that happen to work very well together .. a simple 1:1:1:1 mix .. nothing fancy here .. take about an ounce or more to about 6 or 7 cups of water and slowly simmer for about 20 minutes .. let sit overnight and dose about 1 Tablespoon twice a day .. (freeze what you aren't using) .. This is the strongest support of the Immune System I've ever come across .. and of course the Immune System is our defense against .. everything .. If you don't have cancer then you will want to depend on your immune system to keep it that way .. if you do have cancer you will want that immune system to be in the very best shape it can possibly be. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:49:13 -0600 Royal Rife, M.D. He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism). Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%. His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man. Royal Raymond Rife Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Howdy D, D. Mindock wrote: ** *Royal Rife, M.D. http://rife.org/ He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism).* not to worry, see for example hulda clarks zapper http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/D/DifferencesBetweenZappers.html I'm currently working on a long range mortality oscillator for the dogs that killed a couple of my goats. * Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%.* * His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man.* * * ** *Royal Raymond Rife* Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and many others in recent decades including: W.F. Koch, Revici, Burzynski, Naessens, Priore, Livingston-Wheeler, and Hoxsey. Orthodox big-money medicine resents and seeks to neutralize and/or destroy those who challenge its beliefs. Often, the visionary who challenges it pays a heavy price for his 'heresy.' So, you have just discovered a new therapy which can eradicate any microbial disease but, so far, you and your amazing cure aren't very popular. What do you do next? Well, certainly the research foundations and teaching institutions would welcome news of your astounding discovery. Won't they be thrilled to learn you have a cure for the very same diseases they are receiving hundreds of millions of dollars per year to investigate? Maybe not, if it means the end of the gravy train. These people have mortgages to pay and families to support. On second thought, forget the research foundations. Perhaps you should take your discovery to the pharmaceutical industry; certainly it would be of great interest to those protectors of humanity, right? But remember, you have developed a universal cure which makes drugs obsolete, so the pharmaceutical industry just might be less than thrilled to hear about your work. In fact, the bigshots might even make it certain that your human disease-ending technology never sees the light of day, by preventing it from becoming licensed by the regulatory agencies. Now, assuming your amazing cure is an electronic instrument, the only cost of using it is electricity. And it is absolutely harmless to patients, who can recover without losing their hair, the family home, and their life savings. So, with your technology, there is no longer any reason for people with cancer to pay over $300,000 per patient -- to become deathly ill from chemotherapy, radiation treatments, and the mutilation of surgery. It sounds like you won't find many friends and support among practicing oncologists, radiologists, and surgeons, doesn't it? You might try the hospitals and big
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Hi D .. and of course that's right .. but Royal Raymond Rife's story is so much like Nicholi Tesla's story. Major success .. approach for funding .. strange accidents begin to happen in labs .. Tesla, I believe was actually jailed and then died in jail * http://www.teslasociety.com/biography.htm Tesla died on January 7th, 1943 in the Hotel New Yorker, where he had lived for the last ten years of his life. Room 3327 on the 33rd floor is the two-room suites he occupied. * * A state funeral was held at St. John the Divine Cathedral in New York City. Telegrams of condolence were received from many notables, including the first lady Eleanor Roosevelt and Vice President Wallace. Over 2000 people attended, including several Nobel Laureates. He was cremated in Ardsley on the Hudson, New York. His ashes were interned in a golden sphere, Tesla’s favorite shape, on permanent display at the Tesla Museum in Belgrade along with his death mask. * .. his documents were mysteriously lost .. Rife had quite a few accidental fires, brake in's, equipment destroyed .. the medical community (and/or their supporters) actually purchased some of his equipment supplier's and would .. humm .. no longer supply him .. all sorts of persecution .. which of course is documented. The problem with Rife (as is the same for Tesla) is that so much of his data was destroyed. While many of his followers have faithfully re-constructed his work, and their work is valid, there are also many that make claims that have no validity. You do need to be a bit careful when going after rife healing .. not everyone is who they said they are. Also .. I work with some herbs .. Graviolaa, Andrographis, Chaparral, Neem .. all very common (common names) and easily obtained herbs that happen to work very well together .. a simple 1:1:1:1 mix .. nothing fancy here .. take about an ounce or more to about 6 or 7 cups of water and slowly simmer for about 20 minutes .. let sit overnight and dose about 1 Tablespoon twice a day .. (freeze what you aren't using) .. This is the strongest support of the Immune System I've ever come across .. and of course the Immune System is our defense against .. everything .. If you don't have cancer then you will want to depend on your immune system to keep it that way .. if you do have cancer you will want that immune system to be in the very best shape it can possibly be. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:49:13 -0600 Royal Rife, M.D. He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism). Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%. His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man. Royal Raymond Rife Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Don't use your device to try to kill dogs please. tallex ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Sent: 16 Nov '06 14:25 Howdy D, D. Mindock wrote: ** *Royal Rife, M.D. http://rife.org/ He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism).* not to worry, see for example hulda clarks zapper http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/D/DifferencesBetweenZappers.html I'm currently working on a long range mortality oscillator for the dogs that killed a couple of my goats. * Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%.* * His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man.* * * ** *Royal Raymond Rife* Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and many others in recent decades including: W.F. Koch, Revici, Burzynski, Naessens, Priore, Livingston-Wheeler, and Hoxsey. Orthodox big-money medicine resents and seeks to neutralize and/or destroy those who challenge its beliefs. Often, the visionary who challenges it pays a heavy price for his 'heresy.' So, you have just discovered a new therapy which can eradicate any microbial disease but, so far, you and your amazing cure aren't very popular. What do you do next? Well, certainly the research foundations and teaching institutions would welcome news of your astounding discovery. Won't they be thrilled to learn you have a cure for the very same diseases they are receiving hundreds of millions of dollars per year to investigate? Maybe not, if it means the end of the gravy train. These people have mortgages to pay and families to support. On second thought, forget the research foundations. Perhaps you should take your discovery to the pharmaceutical industry; certainly it would be of great interest to those protectors of humanity, right? But remember, you have developed a universal cure which makes drugs obsolete, so the pharmaceutical industry just might be less than thrilled to hear about your work. In fact, the bigshots might even make it certain that your human disease-ending technology never sees the light of day, by preventing it from becoming licensed by the regulatory agencies. Now, assuming your amazing cure is an electronic instrument, the only cost of using it is electricity. And it is absolutely harmless to patients, who can recover without losing their hair, the family home, and their life savings. So, with your technology
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Hi D .. and of course that's right .. but Royal Raymond Rife's story is so much like Nicholi Tesla's story. Major success .. approach for funding .. strange accidents begin to happen in labs .. Tesla, I believe was actually jailed and then died in jail .. his documents were mysteriously lost .. Rife had quite a few accidental fires, brake in's, equipment destroyed .. the medical community (and/or their supporters) actually purchased some of his equipment supplier's and would .. humm .. no longer supply him .. all sorts of persecution .. which of course is documented. The problem with Rife (as is the same for Tesla) is that so much of his data was destroyed. While many of his followers have faithfully re-constructed his work, and their work is valid, there are also many that make claims that have no validity. You do need to be a bit careful when going after rife healing .. not everyone is who they said they are. Also .. I work with some herbs .. Graviolaa, * http://www.denvernaturopathic.com/news/graviolaparkinsons.html ** Subject: New study links the herb Graviola to Parkinson-like disease * * * http://www.denvernaturopathic.com/news/graviola.html * ** ** Subject: a review article describing the exaggerated claims made for the herb graviola in the treatment of cancer. * * * Andrographis, Chaparral, Neem .. all very common (common names) and easily obtained herbs that happen to work very well together .. a simple 1:1:1:1 mix .. nothing fancy here .. take about an ounce or more to about 6 or 7 cups of water and slowly simmer for about 20 minutes .. let sit overnight and dose about 1 Tablespoon twice a day .. (freeze what you aren't using) .. This is the strongest support of the Immune System I've ever come across .. and of course the Immune System is our defense against .. everything .. If you don't have cancer then you will want to depend on your immune system to keep it that way .. if you do have cancer you will want that immune system to be in the very best shape it can possibly be. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:49:13 -0600 Royal Rife, M.D. He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism). Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%. His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man. Royal Raymond Rife Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Don't use your device to try to kill dogs please. tallex the only problem I am having with my dog mortality oscillator is making a frequency with more than one wavelength! He illuminated the microbe (usually a virus or bacteria) with two different wavelengths of the same ultraviolet light frequency I am curious as to how you plan to do this. ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Sent: 16 Nov '06 14:25 Howdy D, D. Mindock wrote: ** *Royal Rife, M.D. http://rife.org/ He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism).* not to worry, see for example hulda clarks zapper http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/D/DifferencesBetweenZappers.html I'm currently working on a long range mortality oscillator for the dogs that killed a couple of my goats. * Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%.* * His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man.* * * ** *Royal Raymond Rife* Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and many others in recent decades including: W.F. Koch, Revici, Burzynski, Naessens, Priore, Livingston-Wheeler, and Hoxsey. Orthodox big-money medicine resents and seeks to neutralize and/or destroy those who challenge its beliefs. Often, the visionary who challenges it pays a heavy price for his 'heresy.' So, you have just discovered a new therapy which can eradicate any microbial disease but, so far, you and your amazing cure aren't very popular. What do you do next? Well, certainly the research foundations and teaching institutions would welcome news of your astounding discovery. Won't they be thrilled to learn you have a cure for the very same diseases they are receiving hundreds of millions of dollars per year to investigate? Maybe not, if it means the end of the gravy train. These people have mortgages to pay and families to support. On second thought, forget the research foundations. Perhaps you should take your discovery to the pharmaceutical industry; certainly it would be of great interest to those protectors of humanity, right? But remember, you have developed a universal cure which makes drugs obsolete, so the pharmaceutical industry just might be less than thrilled to hear about your work. In fact, the bigshots might even make it certain that your human disease-ending technology never sees the light of day, by preventing
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Thomas Kelly wrote: I'm having some problems with the Rife Machine Universal Microscope Cancer virus . conceptual problems. I'm familiar with UV microscopes: limits of magnification ~1,400X. Phase contrast microscopes allow for observing living, unstained organisms, but also have a limit of about 1000X. Scanning and Transmission electron microscopes: magnifications from single digits to 100,000s. The nature of light itself is what limits the resolving power of light microscopes, whether the light is in the visible spectrum or uses the smaller, wavelength, UV. As I understand it, at some point (1000X for visible light and 1400X for UV) very small objects become fuzzy and indistinct. Very small objects, very close to each other, do not allow light waves to pass between them (UV light is of smaller wavelength and so allows for some increased magnification) and a mass of individual particles appears as a blob i.e. lacks resolution. I'm trying to imagine if this limitation could be overcome if the organism itself could be induced to emit light. Even organisms that phosphoresce fall within the same limits of magnification stated above. The idea of frequency mixing is that two frequencies when combined in a nonlinear fashion produce other frequencies which are the sum and difference of the two original frequency components. So for example if we select two light sources which are above the visible spectrum ( smaller wavelength) but the difference in frequency between them falls within the visible spectrum we could see the product of mixing the two original wavelengths. This would require that both the source waves be focused onto a point whch has the property of a semiconducting junction . That is to say that electrically the object conducts in a non linear fashion, typically this means it conducts better in one direction of the oscillation of the waves than the other. For this to happen the subject would also have to be capable of operating in this nonlinear fashion ie switching states at least as fast as the half period of the impingent light waves. This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. The sum would be obviously way higher than the visible spectrum but the difference would be visible and would appear to emanate from the subject under illumination. Whether there is something in a virus which can act as a non linear device ie a diode capable of switching at terahertz frequencies I have no idea but if so the idea could work. Limits of resolution are also a function of the lenses. A microscope that costs 52 EUR might boast a magnification up to 1000X, while a 500 EUR microscope may only have 400X as its uppermost magnification the extra cost and higher quality is payment for greater resolving power (clarity). Electron microscopes use a beam of electrons of incredibly small wavelength which will fit between small objects that are very close to each other high resolution at high magnification i.e each small object is seem as an individual object rather than blurred together into a blob. Electrons, like UV light, are invisible. Images are seen on a screen; photographs capture images. Modern electron microscopes instantly kill everything beneath them, viewing only the mummified remains and debris. Electron microscopes do not kill the organism being viewed. A vacuum must be maintained within the tube of the microscope in order for the electron beam to move from anode to cathode. Because of the need to maintain a vacuum, any object to be viewed must be desiccated, fixed, stained with a heavy metal. No glass slides, no glass lenses (would block the beam). Magnification is achieved with magnetic fields. I have an environmental SEM capable of operating at higher pressures which are less damaging to tissues and also negating the need to coat the sample with gold in order to mitigate surface charging but the high energy electron beam would still kill living organisms. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
I'm currently working on a long range mortality oscillator for the dogs that killed a couple of my goats. - 22PPC is amazingly effective. The benchrest group of 10 that won was .224 That is amazing in my book. Kirk bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy D, D. Mindock wrote: ** *Royal Rife, M.D. He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism).* not to worry, see for example hulda clarks zapper http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/D/DifferencesBetweenZappers.html I'm currently working on a long range mortality oscillator for the dogs that killed a couple of my goats. * Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%.* * His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man.* * * ** *Royal Raymond Rife* Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and many others in recent decades including: W.F. Koch, Revici, Burzynski, Naessens, Priore, Livingston-Wheeler, and Hoxsey. Orthodox big-money medicine resents and seeks to neutralize and/or destroy those who challenge its beliefs. Often, the visionary who challenges it pays a heavy price for his 'heresy.' So, you have just discovered a new therapy which can eradicate any microbial disease but, so far, you and your amazing cure aren't very popular. What do you do next? Well, certainly the research foundations and teaching institutions would welcome news of your astounding discovery. Won't they be thrilled to learn you have a cure for the very same diseases they are receiving hundreds of millions of dollars per year to investigate? Maybe not, if it means the end of the gravy train. These people have mortgages to pay and families to support. On second thought, forget the research foundations. Perhaps you should take your discovery to the pharmaceutical industry; certainly it would be of great interest to those protectors of humanity, right? But remember, you have developed a universal cure which makes drugs obsolete, so the pharmaceutical industry just might be less than thrilled to hear about your work. In fact, the bigshots might even make it certain that your human disease-ending technology never sees the light of day, by preventing it from becoming licensed by the regulatory agencies. Now, assuming your amazing cure is an electronic instrument, the only cost of using it is electricity. And it is absolutely harmless to patients, who can recover without losing their hair, the family home, and their life savings. So, with your technology, there is no longer any reason for people with cancer to pay over $300,000 per patient -- to
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Joe, You wrote: This would produce harmonic mixing and would result in the generation of two new wavelengths which are the sum and difference frequencies of the original light sources. I don't plan to try it at home, but I don't doubt this to be true. I can't see how stimulating an organism to emit light would get around the difficulties of resolution at magnifications necessary to see viruses alive or not. Organisms that emit light naturally are still subject to the limitations nature seems to have imposed on our various light microscopes. Fluoroscopic techniques binding fluorescent antibodies to cells ... allows for ID/sorting of cells including microbes, but the glowing cells can only be magnified to about 1000X (light microscope) 1400X with UV microscopes. I am curious about the harmonic mixing you refer to. The monochromatic light sources laser generated? Only two wavelengths generated? one the sum and one the difference of the original wavelengths No heat? I ask about the heat because the brightness of the field of view of a microscope is inversely proportional to the magnification. At 6000X a very high illumination, or emission of light would be necessary in order to see anything. Heat could be bad. Would the object continue to emit light after the sources were stopped (a la glow in the dark frisbees ... electrons doing quantum leaps)? Would there be pulses or continuous flow? This would require that both the source waves be focused onto a point whch has the property of a semiconducting junction . The points we are referring to are microscopic . a trillion viruses in a period (New Times Roman 12) at the end of a sentence. I'm only asking, Joe Is it reasonably possible to achieve harmonic mixing on a microscope slide and would it somehow allow for magnifications, using glass lenses, that are not achievable w/o it? I have an environmental SEM capable of operating at higher pressures which are less damaging to tissues and also negating the need to coat the sample with gold in order to mitigate surface charging but the high energy electron beam would still kill living organisms. In the context of high magnification, I drifted towards Transmission rather than Scanning Electron Microscopes. Saying that electron microscopes kill organisms seems to me like saying ovens kill chickens. Just as the environment of a hot oven would bring about the demise of a chicken, the environment of electron microscopes, would, in fact, kill most organisms. Typically, however, the demise occurs during preparation. Saying that electron microscopes kill organisms may just be poor wording, but it reinforces my suspicions that there are serious flaws in the article. The whole concept may work for all I know. I don't understand the Rife Machine, and would not dismiss it out of hand. I simply find myself distracted by what I see as little red flags popping up . I could be wrong. Don't want to be argumentative ... certainly not w. you. I wouldn't want to cramp D's style either. As I have said I follow his posts w. interest and often print and re-read them. Best wishes Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Thomas Kelly wrote: I'm having some problems with the Rife Machine Universal Microscope Cancer virus . conceptual problems. I'm familiar with UV microscopes: limits of magnification ~1,400X. Phase contrast microscopes allow for observing living, unstained organisms, but also have a limit of about 1000X. Scanning and Transmission electron microscopes: magnifications from single digits to 100,000s. The nature of light itself is what limits the resolving power of light microscopes, whether the light is in the visible spectrum or uses the smaller, wavelength, UV. As I understand it, at some point (1000X for visible light and 1400X for UV) very small objects become fuzzy and indistinct. Very small objects, very close to each other, do not allow light waves to pass between them (UV light is of smaller wavelength and so allows for some increased magnification) and a mass of individual particles appears as a blob i.e. lacks resolution. I'm trying to imagine if this limitation could be overcome if the organism itself could be induced to emit light. Even organisms that phosphoresce fall within the same limits of magnification stated above. The idea of frequency mixing is that two frequencies when combined in a nonlinear fashion produce other frequencies which are the sum and difference of the two original frequency components. So for example if we
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
i took a little peek into this Rife Oscillator, and i dont think the radio cure had anything to do with the input, but everything to do with the resonance of the particular critter with one of the output frequencies... kind of like a crystal in an opera hall, it doesnt fry the bug, it blows it to shreds. supposedly Rife had a Resonance Index of all the most common and deadliest germs at the time, but it was lost in an arson attack on his lab. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Don't use your device to try to kill dogs please. tallex the only problem I am having with my dog mortality oscillator is making a frequency with more than one wavelength! He illuminated the microbe (usually a virus or bacteria) with two different wavelengths of the same ultraviolet light frequency I am curious as to how you plan to do this. ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Sent: 16 Nov '06 14:25 Howdy D, D. Mindock wrote: ** *Royal Rife, M.D. http://rife.org/ He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism).* not to worry, see for example hulda clarks zapper http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/D/DifferencesBetweenZappers.html I'm currently working on a long range mortality oscillator for the dogs that killed a couple of my goats. * Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%.* * His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man.* * * ** *Royal Raymond Rife* Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and many others in recent decades including: W.F. Koch, Revici, Burzynski, Naessens, Priore, Livingston-Wheeler, and Hoxsey. Orthodox big-money medicine resents and seeks to neutralize and/or destroy those who challenge its beliefs. Often, the visionary who challenges it pays a heavy price for his 'heresy.' So, you have just discovered a new therapy which can eradicate any microbial disease but, so far, you and your amazing cure aren't very popular. What do you do next? Well, certainly the research foundations and teaching institutions would welcome news of your astounding discovery. Won't they be thrilled to learn you have a cure for the very same diseases they are receiving hundreds of millions
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
Hi D .. and of course that's right .. but Royal Raymond Rife's story is so much like Nicholi Tesla's story. Major success .. approach for funding .. strange accidents begin to happen in labs .. Tesla, I believe was actually jailed and then died in jail .. his documents were mysteriously lost .. Rife had quite a few accidental fires, brake in's, equipment destroyed .. the medical community (and/or their supporters) actually purchased some of his equipment supplier's and would .. humm .. no longer supply him .. all sorts of persecution .. which of course is documented. The problem with Rife (as is the same for Tesla) is that so much of his data was destroyed. While many of his followers have faithfully re-constructed his work, and their work is valid, there are also many that make claims that have no validity. You do need to be a bit careful when going after rife healing .. not everyone is who they said they are. Also .. I work with some herbs .. Graviolaa, Andrographis, Chaparral, Neem .. all very common (common names) and easily obtained herbs that happen to work very well together .. a simple 1:1:1:1 mix .. nothing fancy here .. take about an ounce or more to about 6 or 7 cups of water and slowly simmer for about 20 minutes .. let sit overnight and dose about 1 Tablespoon twice a day .. (freeze what you aren't using) .. This is the strongest support of the Immune System I've ever come across .. and of course the Immune System is our defense against .. everything .. If you don't have cancer then you will want to depend on your immune system to keep it that way .. if you do have cancer you will want that immune system to be in the very best shape it can possibly be. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:49:13 -0600 Royal Rife, M.D. He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism). Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%. His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man. Royal Raymond Rife Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and many others in recent decades including: W.F. Koch, Revici, Burzynski, Naessens, Priore,
Re: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine
really good Rife video at google video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5386565802921883605 Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi D .. and of course that's right .. but Royal Raymond Rife's story is so much like Nicholi Tesla's story. Major success .. approach for funding .. strange accidents begin to happen in labs .. Tesla, I believe was actually jailed and then died in jail .. his documents were mysteriously lost .. Rife had quite a few accidental fires, brake in's, equipment destroyed .. the medical community (and/or their supporters) actually purchased some of his equipment supplier's and would .. humm .. no longer supply him .. all sorts of persecution .. which of course is documented. The problem with Rife (as is the same for Tesla) is that so much of his data was destroyed. While many of his followers have faithfully re-constructed his work, and their work is valid, there are also many that make claims that have no validity. You do need to be a bit careful when going after rife healing .. not everyone is who they said they are. Also .. I work with some herbs .. Graviolaa, Andrographis, Chaparral, Neem .. all very common (common names) and easily obtained herbs that happen to work very well together .. a simple 1:1:1:1 mix .. nothing fancy here .. take about an ounce or more to about 6 or 7 cups of water and slowly simmer for about 20 minutes .. let sit overnight and dose about 1 Tablespoon twice a day .. (freeze what you aren't using) .. This is the strongest support of the Immune System I've ever come across .. and of course the Immune System is our defense against .. everything .. If you don't have cancer then you will want to depend on your immune system to keep it that way .. if you do have cancer you will want that immune system to be in the very best shape it can possibly be. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: D. Mindock Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Subject: [Biofuel] Curing Cancer with the Rife machine Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:49:13 -0600 Royal Rife, M.D. He had a most unusual and productive life. His two main inventions were a microscope that could see the tiniest virus and an electronic/light machine that could kill any dangerous microbe without harming the healthy cells of the human body. In essence, it could cure any disease caused by viruses, bacteria, and fungi, just by dialing in the M.O.R. (mortality oscillatory rate, a particular frequency for that organism). Dr Rife worked for decades to determine the MOR for every microbe that he could view in his very powerful microscope. His greatest feat, I think, was curing 16 terminally ill patients of cancer. That is, 16 out of 16, a perfect 100%. His technology has been resurrected and is available again although the FDA and AMA would rather you not know about it or think it to be a quack device. Rife was famous in the early decades of the last century and well respected by all the leading bacteriologists until the AMA got worried that Rife's machine would end their gravy train. Then lots of his former colleagues turned on him. Very sad commentary on the lure of moolah and the weakness of man. Royal Raymond Rife Edited by Jeff Rense 11-7-2 Imagine, for a moment, that you have spent more than two decades in painfully laborious research-- that you have discovered an incredibly simple, electronic approach to curing literally every disease on the planet caused by viruses and bacteria . Indeed, it is a discovery that would end the pain and suffering of countless millions and change life on Earth forever. Certainly, the medical world would rush to embrace you with every imaginable accolade and financial reward imaginable. You would think so, wouldn?t you? Unfortunately, arguably the greatest medical genius in all recorded history suffered a fate literally the opposite of the foregoing logical scenario. In fact, the history of medicine is replete with stories of genius betrayed by backward thought and jealously, but most pathetically, by greed and money. In the nineteenth century, Semmelweiss struggled mightily to convince surgeons that it was a good idea to sterilize their instruments and use sterile surgical procedures. Pasteur was ridiculed for years for his theory that germs could cause disease. Scores of other medical visionaries went through hell for simply challenging the medical status quo of day, including such legends as Roentgen and his X-rays, Morton for promoting the 'absurd' idea of anaesthesia, Harvey for his theory of the circulation of blood, and
