Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Sorry. I stand corrected. When I looked in the index under methanol, it pointed me to pg 125 and indeed, it began talking about methanol. But the last few sentences led you into a "Step-by-Step Procedure" for making ethanol from wood. I went straight to the procedure before thoroughly reading the introduction. That would only make sense since I don't read the instructions before putting together my nephews' new toys on their birthdays either. Oh how sad Mike! That it wasn't methanol I mean, not that you don't read the destructions and are depriving your nephews of a practical education by selfishly playing with their toys. :-) That old "Fuel from Sawdust" piece came from an early 1980s issue of Acres USA that I happen to have because I wrote the cover story. I had a whole lot more of them too but some nice friend went and lost them all. :-( My fault, I suppose, for being such a rolling stone. Anyway, Mike Brown's article was one of a long series they ran on Farm Alcohol. They'd probably make interesting reading now. Regards Keith :-) Mike Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Tom and Kieth, > >I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook >by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on >methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients >and equipment and continues with a section called >"Step-by-Step Procedures". The procedure goes into a >lot of detail and describes what your reaction will >look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic >reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with >the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and >finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to >collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the >acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be >used as a fuel for your still. > >I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's >out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can >transcribe the section if anyone is interested. > >Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith >--- Keith Addison wrote: > > Hello Tom > > > > >As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was > > wondering if it was possible to > > >make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? > > > > No. We've been discussing this since the list was > > founded five years > > ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, > > who probably > > knows more about methanol than most, told me we just > > aren't there > > yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some > > interesting information > > some time ago and said his organisation would be > > working on it, but > > we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the > > archives if you > > like. > > > > >And the other question is it > > >possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? > > > > Not for novices: > > > > Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester > > > > >I am putting together a proposal > > >for an East African country to follow Brazils lead > > and have to do some > > >homework first. > > > > There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite > > a few African > > countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never > > heard anything > > further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before > > recommending > > anything if I were you. > > > > Best wshes > > > > Keith > > > > > > >selam, > > >tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Hello Tom , Mike e Keith The methanol production from saw dust need to done via thermochemical route , require much energy input , as no bacteria yet commercially can make methanol where as ethanol production via reusable enzymes require low energy input. What Mike refer is the very old process which was commercially practised in Russia to produce feed yeast using acid hydrolysis process to make sugar from cellulose Any one know about the yield of methanol from biomass waste ? The ethanol yield from cellulose can be 100 percent as theoretical yeil is 110 percents. The biotechnology can make possible the big company making celluosic enzymes, make possible also enzymatic hydrolysis the small farmer making ethanol in back yard. This research was my PHd thesis , which I have fined in 1983 in IIT Delhi and I am sure this process can make viable the biomass refinary for poor and rich countries. For every 3 day billion dollar go outside USA to import petrol . Only 1 porcent of this money spent for biorefinery can solve not only USA , but also the developing country. Making methanol via petro chemical route in big refinery is making the cost make it competitive in relation with ethanol. The methanol is known as wood alcohol as it was traditionally obtained from destructive distillation .The modern method involve catalytic synthesis from wood gas. This two step process can be carried out in a small scale as the traditional high pressure is now a days replaced by the low pressure process as already published in this list. I agree with Keith view here that Methanol can be made in small scale too with care and using pyrolysis as here the yield is not a matter as we do get several useful byproducts.The bio oil as the byproduct can also make this process very useful to farmer as this has pr oven to be an natural pesticide and good food preservatives. In Japan bio oil made flue gas from wood are used very much as food additives..Here too this can be more dangerous than methanol Surely new comer to the list need to first consult the old list first and thus can learn a lot before posting to the list. Here we need to make the network bringing new information and practical data so that our list member can help each other to solve real problems. Making methanol from cellulose is not yet mature one as one of Bio D for small scale , but can be made possible sd Pannir selvam On Apr 3, 2005 4:21 AM, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi Tom and Kieth, > > > >I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook > >by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on > >methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients > >and equipment and continues with a section called > >"Step-by-Step Procedures". The procedure goes into a > >lot of detail and describes what your reaction will > >look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic > >reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with > >the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and > >finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to > >collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the > >acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be > >used as a fuel for your still. > > > >I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's > >out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can > >transcribe the section if anyone is interested. > > > >Mike > > Hi Mike > > Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust > method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: > > Fuel From Sawdust > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust > > Best > > Keith > > > >--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello Tom > > > > > > >As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was > > > wondering if it was possible to > > > >make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? > > > > > > No. We've been discussing this since the list was > > > founded five years > > > ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, > > > who probably > > > knows more about methanol than most, told me we just > > > aren't there > > > yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some > > > interesting information > > > some time ago and said his organisation would be > > > working on it, but > > > we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the > > > archives if you > > > like. > > > > > > >And the other question is it > > > >possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? > > > > > > Not for novices: > > > > > > Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel > > > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester > > > > > > >I am putting together a proposal > > > >for an East African country to follow Brazils lead > > > and have to do some > > > >homework first. > > > > > > There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite > > > a few African > > > countries concerning ethyl
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Kieth and Tom, Sorry. I stand corrected. When I looked in the index under methanol, it pointed me to pg 125 and indeed, it began talking about methanol. But the last few sentences led you into a "Step-by-Step Procedure" for making ethanol from wood. I went straight to the procedure before thoroughly reading the introduction. That would only make sense since I don't read the instructions before putting together my nephews' new toys on their birthdays either. :-) Mike Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Tom and Kieth, > >I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook >by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on >methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients >and equipment and continues with a section called >"Step-by-Step Procedures". The procedure goes into a >lot of detail and describes what your reaction will >look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic >reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with >the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and >finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to >collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the >acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be >used as a fuel for your still. > >I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's >out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can >transcribe the section if anyone is interested. > >Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith >--- Keith Addison wrote: > > Hello Tom > > > > >As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was > > wondering if it was possible to > > >make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? > > > > No. We've been discussing this since the list was > > founded five years > > ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, > > who probably > > knows more about methanol than most, told me we just > > aren't there > > yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some > > interesting information > > some time ago and said his organisation would be > > working on it, but > > we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the > > archives if you > > like. > > > > >And the other question is it > > >possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? > > > > Not for novices: > > > > Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester > > > > >I am putting together a proposal > > >for an East African country to follow Brazils lead > > and have to do some > > >homework first. > > > > There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite > > a few African > > countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never > > heard anything > > further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before > > recommending > > anything if I were you. > > > > Best wshes > > > > Keith > > > > > > >selam, > > >tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients and equipment and continues with a section called "Step-by-Step Procedures". The procedure goes into a lot of detail and describes what your reaction will look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be used as a fuel for your still. I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can transcribe the section if anyone is interested. Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Tom > > >As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was > wondering if it was possible to > >make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? > > No. We've been discussing this since the list was > founded five years > ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, > who probably > knows more about methanol than most, told me we just > aren't there > yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some > interesting information > some time ago and said his organisation would be > working on it, but > we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the > archives if you > like. > > >And the other question is it > >possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? > > Not for novices: > > Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester > > >I am putting together a proposal > >for an East African country to follow Brazils lead > and have to do some > >homework first. > > There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite > a few African > countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never > heard anything > further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before > recommending > anything if I were you. > > Best wshes > > Keith > > > >selam, > >tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Hi Tom and Kieth, I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients and equipment and continues with a section called "Step-by-Step Procedures". The procedure goes into a lot of detail and describes what your reaction will look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be used as a fuel for your still. I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can transcribe the section if anyone is interested. Mike --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Tom > > >As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was > wondering if it was possible to > >make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? > > No. We've been discussing this since the list was > founded five years > ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, > who probably > knows more about methanol than most, told me we just > aren't there > yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some > interesting information > some time ago and said his organisation would be > working on it, but > we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the > archives if you > like. > > >And the other question is it > >possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? > > Not for novices: > > Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester > > >I am putting together a proposal > >for an East African country to follow Brazils lead > and have to do some > >homework first. > > There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite > a few African > countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never > heard anything > further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before > recommending > anything if I were you. > > Best wshes > > Keith > > > >selam, > >tom mountain > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Hi All, Just a quick word of caution about backyard methanol. There's no such thing, as yet. You can't make methanol in your backyard, as both Walt and I have just explained. You can distill ethanol, and it will have minute amounts of methanol in the first bit which you discard. But you can't make methanol in any usable amounts. It definitely is not ethanol. The direct meaning is it is a deadly toxin than can be readily absorbed through the skin and inhaled into the lungs. I«m certain a very small percentage of the population has a very small capacity to detoxify this in their liver. Everybody can, and it's not as deadly as you make out. In fact it's a common household item, sold in supermarkets and hardware stores, and other common household items are more dangerous than methanol. It's used as a dinner-table barbecue and fondue fuel, kids use it in their model aeroplane motors. Yes, it's dangerous, but we deal with dangerous things all the time in our daily lives. I don't think methanol has held any perils for biodiesel makers since we left the dark old days of From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank behind, years ago. Use closed containers and closed processors as Journey to Forever and all other responsible websites advise, don't be sloppy or careless, follow the safety instructions, and it's an easily managed hazard. I'm not downplaying it, our website constantly emphasises safety, but a lot of people overplay the methanol "hazard", as you're doing. The vast majority can«t tolerate it at all. In direct laymans terms, first you go blind then you die usually of acidosis. You have to drink at least a couple of tablespoonsful for that to happen. So what? Are you going to try that with paint remover, or drain cleaner, or cellulose thinners? Or gasoline? The fumes are dangerous, but it only fumes when it's hot, and that hazard is completely removed with closed containers and closed processors. Sounds scary and painful to me. I«m trying desperately to use ethanol when I make Bio D. I«ve had some success. But quite frankly I have never had a bad batch when I used methanol. I«m fairly certain I know why but won«t mention it here cause it«s probably in the archieves that Keith keeps pounding on me to read. :-> Sorry but the letters are just too darn interesting for the moment. You're supposed to consult the archives BEFORE you post and ask questions, not as an ever-postponed afterthought. It's one of the List rules, which you were referred to when you joined the list, and which you're obliged to read, and to follow: "If you don't see what you're interested in, just ask. Or check the archives first to see if it has been dealt with previously, and then ask." "Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel "Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ "The archives contains more than 38,000 messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers." Otherwise we just keep on rehashing the same old stuff again and again and again, and the sheer tedium of it drives people away after awhile - and these are the ones with the experience, so the whole community suffers. I hope you've got that straight now. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Henri Naths To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/04/05 15:08 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible? short answer yes. (methanol.. backyard) if money is no object.H. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Mountain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 31 March, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible? > As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to > make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? And the other question is it > possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? I am putting together a proposal > for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some > homework first. > selam, > tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Hi All, Just a quick word of caution about backyard methanol. It definitely is not ethanol. The direct meaning is it is a deadly toxin than can be readily absorbed through the skin and inhaled into the lungs. I«m certain a very small percentage of the population has a very small capacity to detoxify this in their liver. The vast majority can«t tolerate it at all. In direct laymans terms, first you go blind then you die usually of acidosis. Sounds scary and painful to me. I«m trying desperately to use ethanol when I make Bio D. I«ve had some success. But quite frankly I have never had a bad batch when I used methanol. I«m fairly certain I know why but won«t mention it here cause it«s probably in the archieves that Keith keeps pounding on me to read. :-> Sorry but the letters are just too darn interesting for the moment. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Henri Naths To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/04/05 15:08 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible? short answer yes. (methanol.. backyard) if money is no object.H. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Mountain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 31 March, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible? > As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to > make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? And the other question is it > possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? I am putting together a proposal > for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some > homework first. > selam, > tom mountain > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Tom's knowledge of the field is such that when one finds themselves in disagreement with him, they need to go back and check their records to figure out where they went wrong. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. The efficient conversion of biomass to methanol is a complex process. It's long been feasible to do at the industrial level; what we're working on is getting it viable at the community/neighborhood level. Windward is an intentional community dedicated to modeling self-reliant systems, and that's the scale that we're focused on. Maybe it can be simplified further down to the backyard level, but that's hard to see happening. Then again, who would have thought that they come up with bread machines that can mix and bake a loaf of pretty decent bread right there on your kitchen counter? We've been working on the ancillary processes involved such as pressure swing adsorption to provide an on-site oxygen supply for the auto-thermal steam reactor needed to convert char into syngas, the instrumentation network so that we can follow what's going on at the various stages, hydraulic compression, syngas storage, co-generation of steam to feed our 1HP steam engine to drive the generator to power the controls, pumps and so on. The actual condensation of syngas into methanol isn't the demanding part; it's all the other stuff that has to happen first - and happen safely - that is the challenge. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? Not for novices: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite a few African countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never heard anything further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before recommending anything if I were you. Best wshes Keith selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Mountain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 31 March, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible? As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your "backyard" so to speak? And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
