Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
Hi Steve sunflowers are 102 gallons / acre, rapeseed (canola) is 127 gallons. a difference, yes, but not enough to say sunflower stinks, canola is best. castor beans is even better at 151. only grows well in tropical and subtropical climates. it's been grown in England, but only produces beans once every 10 years. Keith, could you add a ideal climate column to your yield page? the indicated gallons / acre may be one range in one climate, but more or less in another. :-) Maybe, one of these years. James Duke/NewCrop and Plants For A Future should tell you all you need to know. Now if you'll just step along this way... Other oil crops http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#othercrops interesting thing about castor . http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_738404.html?menu= Getting ricin by growing the plant then harvesting the beans is difficult in the UK, Mr Sharples said, as the cool climate the plant will grow and flower but only produce beans about once every 10 years. Mr Sharples added: We will have disappointed customers who are really into gardening, but we have to take a public safety attitude. Too much safety is downright dangerous. Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs Oil production per acre of sunflowers stinks!!! Perhaps the production of vegetable oils should remain in the cooler states (the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and the like (and of course Canada where canola was perfected (grin!))) and you can get production rates of a 1000 liters per acre (yes that is stated using mixed units but that was how I saw it presented!) or about 275 us gal per acre. There may be other alternative crops as I did not remember the front runners on oil production per acre just that canola (rapeseed) was about third or fourth and that can be grown readily in my area so that's what I filed in the memory. Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:48, Steve Spence wrote: White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as nematodes. Steve Spence I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your original phrase was it not? Darald Only legumes do nitrogen-fixation - or at least the colonies of microorganisms in their root nodules do it. So you're asking for a GMO, and should perhaps consider the record of GMO crops so far. Anyway, what's all the fuss about nitrogen? Overrated - nitrogen is easily arranged. Deep-rooters are more important in most cases. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
sunflowers are 102 gallons / acre, rapeseed (canola) is 127 gallons. a difference, yes, but not enough to say sunflower stinks, canola is best. castor beans is even better at 151. only grows well in tropical and subtropical climates. it's been grown in England, but only produces beans once every 10 years. Keith, could you add a ideal climate column to your yield page? the indicated gallons / acre may be one range in one climate, but more or less in another. interesting thing about castor . http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_738404.html?menu= Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs Oil production per acre of sunflowers stinks!!! Perhaps the production of vegetable oils should remain in the cooler states (the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and the like (and of course Canada where canola was perfected (grin!))) and you can get production rates of a 1000 liters per acre (yes that is stated using mixed units but that was how I saw it presented!) or about 275 us gal per acre. There may be other alternative crops as I did not remember the front runners on oil production per acre just that canola (rapeseed) was about third or fourth and that can be grown readily in my area so that's what I filed in the memory. Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
Mustard is not nitrogen fixing. But this is what it can do. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:48, Steve Spence wrote: White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as nematodes. Steve Spence I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your original phrase was it not? Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs Oil production per acre of sunflowers stinks!!! Maybe, maybe not. Probably, if you're thinking in terms of monocrops and industrialized production systems. Yet there are many parts of the world where it's grown that way (as well as sustainably), with results that are not perceived as stinking. Anyway, you don't seem to have considered what Ed was saying about intercropping. Perhaps the production of vegetable oils should remain in the cooler states (the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and the like (and of course Canada where canola was perfected (grin!))) and you can get production rates of a 1000 liters per acre (yes that is stated using mixed units but that was how I saw it presented!) or about 275 us gal per acre. There may be other alternative crops as I did not remember the front runners on oil production per acre just that canola (rapeseed) was about third or fourth and that can be grown readily in my area so that's what I filed in the memory. Maybe, again, if you're really lucky - more likely on 1 acre than on 1,000. These are average yields (US gal/acre): sunflowers 102 cocoa (cacao) 110 peanuts 113 opium poppy 124 rapeseed 127 olives 129 castor beans 151 pecan nuts 191 jojoba 194 jatropha 202 macadamia nuts 240 brazil nuts 255 avocado 282 coconut 287 oil palm 635 I was just talking to some African ag-tech guys who didn't think sunflower yields stink. They were also talking about oil palm, which originates in Africa - compared with which rapeseed/canola stinks. If, that is, you're that impressed by yields, which I'm not. Focusing on alleged high-yielding crops to the exclusion of all else doesn't make much sense (same as the focus on nitrogen). In fact what yields best, overall, not just in sheer quantity, almost always depends more on local factors than on ideal yield potentials. Have a look at these archives articles: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1801list=BIOFUELS-BIZ Going for yields and nitrogen and monocrops will end up simply substituting Archer Daniels Midland, Monsanto, Dow-Cargill et al for Big Oil, and rather more is required of the potential of biofuels than that. Best Keith Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as nematodes. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote: Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be growing wheat. mark Greetings I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's markets!! Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing? Maybe they are doing something with that. I'm sure their not going to give up the farm and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS a part of their business stragety. But looking at the oilseed chart on JTF castorbeens come to mind. James Slayden On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote: Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be growing wheat. mark Greetings I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's markets!! Darald Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:25 AM, James Slayden wrote: Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing? Maybe they are doing something with that. I'm sure their not going to give up the farm and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS a part of their business stragety. But looking at the oilseed chart on JTF castorbeens come to mind. James Slayden On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote: Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be growing wheat. mark Greetings I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's markets!! Darald Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
Thanks for setting me straight. ;-) I actually wasn't sure on castor beans and didn't really want to look it up. Serves me right for being lazy On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:25 AM, James Slayden wrote: Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing? Maybe they are doing something with that. I'm sure their not going to give up the farm and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS a part of their business stragety. But looking at the oilseed chart on JTF castorbeens come to mind. James Slayden On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote: Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be growing wheat. mark Greetings I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's markets!! Darald Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:48, Steve Spence wrote: White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which repels the nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can either be slashed and left on the surface as mulch, or dug in. It takes eight weeks from sowing to slashing. White mustard is often sown after a tomato crop, to break the cycle of soil pests and diseases such as nematodes. Steve Spence I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your original phrase was it not? Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs Oil production per acre of sunflowers stinks!!! Perhaps the production of vegetable oils should remain in the cooler states (the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and the like (and of course Canada where canola was perfected (grin!))) and you can get production rates of a 1000 liters per acre (yes that is stated using mixed units but that was how I saw it presented!) or about 275 us gal per acre. There may be other alternative crops as I did not remember the front runners on oil production per acre just that canola (rapeseed) was about third or fourth and that can be grown readily in my area so that's what I filed in the memory. Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
heres a whole slew of nitrogen fixers http://www.agrobiologicals.com/glossary/Targ6.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping Thanks for setting me straight. ;-) I actually wasn't sure on castor beans and didn't really want to look it up. Serves me right for being lazy On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop, and has been intercropped with sunflowers. Edward Beggs On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:25 AM, James Slayden wrote: Someone please correct me, but aren't a legumes nitrogen fixing? Maybe they are doing something with that. I'm sure their not going to give up the farm and tell us what crop they are planning to grow, since it IS a part of their business stragety. But looking at the oilseed chart on JTF castorbeens come to mind. James Slayden On 11 Mar 2003, Darald Bantel wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote: Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be growing wheat. mark Greetings I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's markets!! Darald Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 16:38, Steve Spence wrote: heres a whole slew of nitrogen fixers http://www.agrobiologicals.com/glossary/Targ6.htm Steve Spence You bet there is a grand number of nitrogen fixation capable varieties in this list. The amount they fix is variable. The number of items on this list that also produce at least reasonable quantities of oil is much much smaller and is also climatic zone dependent. There has been talk in the industry of creating a plant that would produce cereal grain and also fix its own nitrogen - with the current very hostile sales climate for any such bio-engineered products - good luck in getting them in any useful quantities in the next 15 years. (It takes usually 12 to 15 years to develop new crop strains and test them with any meaningful certainty!) Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Blue Sun Biodiesel was Re: double cropping
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 02:43, girl_mark_fire wrote: Blue Sun Biodiesel, who is a very ambitious biodiesel producer gearing up to build a huge plant in Colorado, is banking on local farmers' doublecropping as one of their strategies. I think the locals grow winter wheat. Growing an oilcrop for Blue Sun before the wheat season gives them the benefits you describe below. I think the crop is mustard- I could be wrong though, it was a casual conversation and I don't have the info in print anywhere. I also think they said it was a nitrogenfixer- I don't remember if mustard does that or not- but it sounded like a win-win situation for the local farmers on the Plains there- part of the idea is also that they'll be growing a crop with a guaranteed purchaser, not subject to market fluctuations in chicago or somehere. And they'll still be growing wheat. mark Greetings I would not think that it would be a form of mustard as there are (to date) no nitrogen fixing varieties of mustard and to do the bioengineering would mean that that this would be a genetically engineered crop - ergo - very very difficult to sell in today's markets!! Darald Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
