[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People
Another author that is less than exact, in his attempt to present a new technology. If they know so much, they ought to know that it is a technology that has been researched for more than 80 years now. New, in this case I am still a baby!! It has always failed on the efficiency issues. Now the efficiency has been improved by using a special catalyzer. Guess what, it is platinum, so now we must reclaim all the jewelry that we gave our women and start to make fuel for our cars. That does not work, I would not even suggest it to my wife. I might be crazy in dealing with energy saving and renewable energy, but I am not suicidal. The researchers themselves probably also have spouses, because as a comment they sad that it proved that it could be done and now they only had to find a catalyzer that could be practically used. http://energy.saving.nu/resources/efficiencygame.shtml I got several positive letters for this and they all congratulated me for telling the truth about hydrogen. Some of them worked with research on the issues. It is not a ready for use technology. Hakan At 08:13 AM 12/9/2002 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021223s=rifkin article | Posted December 5, 2002 Hydrogen: Empowering the People by Jeremy Rifkin Jeremy Rifkin, author of The Biotech Century (Tarcher Putnam), is president of The Foundation on Economic Trends, in Washington, DC. His latest book is The Hydrogen Economy: The Creation of the World Wide Energy Web and the Redistribution of Power on Earth (Tarcher/Putnam). While the fossil-fuel era enters its sunset years, a new energy regime is being born that has the potential to remake civilization along radically new lines--hydrogen. Hydrogen is the most basic and ubiquitous element in the universe. It never runs out and produces no harmful CO2 emissions when burned; the only byproducts are heat and pure water. That is why it's been called the forever fuel. Hydrogen has the potential to end the world's reliance on oil. Switching to hydrogen and creating a decentralized power grid would also be the best assurance against terrorist attacks aimed at disrupting the national power grid and energy infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen power will dramatically reduce carbon dioxide emissions and mitigate the effects of global warming. In the long run, the hydrogen-powered economy will fundamentally change the very nature of our market, political and social institutions, just as coal and steam power did at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. Hydrogen must be extracted from natural sources. Today, nearly half the hydrogen produced in the world is derived from natural gas via a steam-reforming process. The natural gas reacts with steam in a catalytic converter. The process strips away the hydrogen atoms, leaving carbon dioxide as the byproduct. There is, however, another way to produce hydrogen without using fossil fuels in the process. Renewable sources of energy--wind, photovoltaic, hydro, geothermal and biomass--can be harnessed to produce electricity. The electricity, in turn, can be used, in a process called electrolysis, to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen can then be stored and used, when needed, in a fuel cell to generate electricity for power, heat and light. Why generate electricity twice, first to produce electricity for the process of electrolysis and then to produce power, heat and light by way of a fuel cell? The reason is that electricity doesn't store. So, if the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing or the water isn't flowing, electricity can't be generated and economic activity grinds to a halt. Hydrogen provides a way to store renewable sources of energy and insure an ongoing and continuous supply of power. Hydrogen-powered fuel cells are just now being introduced into the market for home, office and industrial use. The major auto makers have spent more than $2 billion developing hydrogen-powered cars, buses and trucks, and the first mass-produced vehicles are expected to be on the road in just a few years. In a hydrogen economy the centralized, top-down flow of energy, controlled by global oil companies and utilities, would become obsolete. Instead, millions of end users would connect their fuel cells into local, regional and national hydrogen energy webs (HEWs), using the same design principles and smart technologies that made the World Wide Web possible. Automobiles with hydrogen cells would be power stations on wheels, each with a generating capacity of 20 kilowatts. Since the average car is parked most of the time, it can be plugged in, during nonuse hours, to the home, office or the main interactive electricity network. Thus, car owners could sell electricity back to the grid. If just 25 percent of all US cars supplied energy to the grid, all the power plants in the country could be eliminated. Once the HEW is set up, millions of local operators, generating electricity from fuel cells
[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People
Well, I dunno. Rifkin doesn't usually get it wrong, he's been way ahead quite a few times. I haven't read the book. But I have been hearing about fuel cells being just around the corner for nearly 30 years now. They didn't say which corner. I think I did give some jewelry to a woman once. It didn't work out well so I didn't do it again. Oh, I did - I gave another woman about a million diamonds. She wasn't impressed at all, she lost them in the end. Okay, they were kind of small. Well, they were so small you needed a 20X lens to see they were diamonds. But they looked great through the lens, beautiful sparklers. Fussy, some people. Keith Another author that is less than exact, in his attempt to present a new technology. If they know so much, they ought to know that it is a technology that has been researched for more than 80 years now. New, in this case I am still a baby!! It has always failed on the efficiency issues. Now the efficiency has been improved by using a special catalyzer. Guess what, it is platinum, so now we must reclaim all the jewelry that we gave our women and start to make fuel for our cars. That does not work, I would not even suggest it to my wife. I might be crazy in dealing with energy saving and renewable energy, but I am not suicidal. The researchers themselves probably also have spouses, because as a comment they sad that it proved that it could be done and now they only had to find a catalyzer that could be practically used. http://energy.saving.nu/resources/efficiencygame.shtml I got several positive letters for this and they all congratulated me for telling the truth about hydrogen. Some of them worked with research on the issues. It is not a ready for use technology. Hakan At 08:13 AM 12/9/2002 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021223s=rifkin article | Posted December 5, 2002 Hydrogen: Empowering the People by Jeremy Rifkin Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People
Fuel cells are a wonderful thing. Too bad there isn't much to fuel them with. Don't even get me started on electrolysis. It's a cool science fair project, but not much else. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People Well, I dunno. Rifkin doesn't usually get it wrong, he's been way ahead quite a few times. I haven't read the book. But I have been hearing about fuel cells being just around the corner for nearly 30 years now. They didn't say which corner. I think I did give some jewelry to a woman once. It didn't work out well so I didn't do it again. Oh, I did - I gave another woman about a million diamonds. She wasn't impressed at all, she lost them in the end. Okay, they were kind of small. Well, they were so small you needed a 20X lens to see they were diamonds. But they looked great through the lens, beautiful sparklers. Fussy, some people. Keith Another author that is less than exact, in his attempt to present a new technology. If they know so much, they ought to know that it is a technology that has been researched for more than 80 years now. New, in this case I am still a baby!! It has always failed on the efficiency issues. Now the efficiency has been improved by using a special catalyzer. Guess what, it is platinum, so now we must reclaim all the jewelry that we gave our women and start to make fuel for our cars. That does not work, I would not even suggest it to my wife. I might be crazy in dealing with energy saving and renewable energy, but I am not suicidal. The researchers themselves probably also have spouses, because as a comment they sad that it proved that it could be done and now they only had to find a catalyzer that could be practically used. http://energy.saving.nu/resources/efficiencygame.shtml I got several positive letters for this and they all congratulated me for telling the truth about hydrogen. Some of them worked with research on the issues. It is not a ready for use technology. Hakan At 08:13 AM 12/9/2002 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021223s=rifkin article | Posted December 5, 2002 Hydrogen: Empowering the People by Jeremy Rifkin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People
Agree with you Steve, after 80+ years of research, fuel cells starts to look like we have something here. I will probably see a common use in my life time, especially in toys and gadgets. It will not be long to use fuel cells as power source in my notebook, then you can run them forever without plugging them to the grid. Hydrogen have a far better chance than the alchemists struggle to make gold. At the end it will be something, but the chance that I will see it take over in my lifetime is small. Hakan At 09:45 PM 12/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: Fuel cells are a wonderful thing. Too bad there isn't much to fuel them with. Don't even get me started on electrolysis. It's a cool science fair project, but not much else. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People Well, I dunno. Rifkin doesn't usually get it wrong, he's been way ahead quite a few times. I haven't read the book. But I have been hearing about fuel cells being just around the corner for nearly 30 years now. They didn't say which corner. I think I did give some jewelry to a woman once. It didn't work out well so I didn't do it again. Oh, I did - I gave another woman about a million diamonds. She wasn't impressed at all, she lost them in the end. Okay, they were kind of small. Well, they were so small you needed a 20X lens to see they were diamonds. But they looked great through the lens, beautiful sparklers. Fussy, some people. Keith Another author that is less than exact, in his attempt to present a new technology. If they know so much, they ought to know that it is a technology that has been researched for more than 80 years now. New, in this case I am still a baby!! It has always failed on the efficiency issues. Now the efficiency has been improved by using a special catalyzer. Guess what, it is platinum, so now we must reclaim all the jewelry that we gave our women and start to make fuel for our cars. That does not work, I would not even suggest it to my wife. I might be crazy in dealing with energy saving and renewable energy, but I am not suicidal. The researchers themselves probably also have spouses, because as a comment they sad that it proved that it could be done and now they only had to find a catalyzer that could be practically used. http://energy.saving.nu/resources/efficiencygame.shtml I got several positive letters for this and they all congratulated me for telling the truth about hydrogen. Some of them worked with research on the issues. It is not a ready for use technology. Hakan At 08:13 AM 12/9/2002 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021223s=rifkin article | Posted December 5, 2002 Hydrogen: Empowering the People by Jeremy Rifkin Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People
Another author that is less than exact, in his attempt to present a new technology. If they know so much, they ought to know that it is a technology that has been researched for more than 80 years now. New, in this case I am still a baby!! It has always failed on the efficiency issues. Now the efficiency has been improved by using a special catalyzer. Guess what, it is platinum, so now we must reclaim all the jewelry that we gave our women and start to make fuel for our cars. That does not work, I would not even suggest it to my wife. I might be crazy in dealing with energy saving and renewable energy, but I am not suicidal. The researchers themselves probably also have spouses, because as a comment they sad that it proved that it could be done and now they only had to find a catalyzer that could be practically used. http://energy.saving.nu/resources/efficiencygame.shtml I got several positive letters for this and they all congratulated me for telling the truth about hydrogen. Some of them worked with research on the issues. It is not a ready for use technology. Hakan At 08:13 AM 12/9/2002 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021223s=rifkin article | Posted December 5, 2002 Hydrogen: Empowering the People by Jeremy Rifkin Jeremy Rifkin, author of The Biotech Century (Tarcher Putnam), is president of The Foundation on Economic Trends, in Washington, DC. His latest book is The Hydrogen Economy: The Creation of the World Wide Energy Web and the Redistribution of Power on Earth (Tarcher/Putnam). While the fossil-fuel era enters its sunset years, a new energy regime is being born that has the potential to remake civilization along radically new lines--hydrogen. Hydrogen is the most basic and ubiquitous element in the universe. It never runs out and produces no harmful CO2 emissions when burned; the only byproducts are heat and pure water. That is why it's been called the forever fuel. Hydrogen has the potential to end the world's reliance on oil. Switching to hydrogen and creating a decentralized power grid would also be the best assurance against terrorist attacks aimed at disrupting the national power grid and energy infrastructure. Moreover, hydrogen power will dramatically reduce carbon dioxide emissions and mitigate the effects of global warming. In the long run, the hydrogen-powered economy will fundamentally change the very nature of our market, political and social institutions, just as coal and steam power did at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. Hydrogen must be extracted from natural sources. Today, nearly half the hydrogen produced in the world is derived from natural gas via a steam-reforming process. The natural gas reacts with steam in a catalytic converter. The process strips away the hydrogen atoms, leaving carbon dioxide as the byproduct. There is, however, another way to produce hydrogen without using fossil fuels in the process. Renewable sources of energy--wind, photovoltaic, hydro, geothermal and biomass--can be harnessed to produce electricity. The electricity, in turn, can be used, in a process called electrolysis, to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen can then be stored and used, when needed, in a fuel cell to generate electricity for power, heat and light. Why generate electricity twice, first to produce electricity for the process of electrolysis and then to produce power, heat and light by way of a fuel cell? The reason is that electricity doesn't store. So, if the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing or the water isn't flowing, electricity can't be generated and economic activity grinds to a halt. Hydrogen provides a way to store renewable sources of energy and insure an ongoing and continuous supply of power. Hydrogen-powered fuel cells are just now being introduced into the market for home, office and industrial use. The major auto makers have spent more than $2 billion developing hydrogen-powered cars, buses and trucks, and the first mass-produced vehicles are expected to be on the road in just a few years. In a hydrogen economy the centralized, top-down flow of energy, controlled by global oil companies and utilities, would become obsolete. Instead, millions of end users would connect their fuel cells into local, regional and national hydrogen energy webs (HEWs), using the same design principles and smart technologies that made the World Wide Web possible. Automobiles with hydrogen cells would be power stations on wheels, each with a generating capacity of 20 kilowatts. Since the average car is parked most of the time, it can be plugged in, during nonuse hours, to the home, office or the main interactive electricity network. Thus, car owners could sell electricity back to the grid. If just 25 percent of all US cars supplied energy to the grid, all the power plants in the country could be eliminated. Once the HEW is set up, millions of local operators, generating electricity from fuel cells
[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People
Well, I dunno. Rifkin doesn't usually get it wrong, he's been way ahead quite a few times. I haven't read the book. But I have been hearing about fuel cells being just around the corner for nearly 30 years now. They didn't say which corner. I think I did give some jewelry to a woman once. It didn't work out well so I didn't do it again. Oh, I did - I gave another woman about a million diamonds. She wasn't impressed at all, she lost them in the end. Okay, they were kind of small. Well, they were so small you needed a 20X lens to see they were diamonds. But they looked great through the lens, beautiful sparklers. Fussy, some people. Keith Another author that is less than exact, in his attempt to present a new technology. If they know so much, they ought to know that it is a technology that has been researched for more than 80 years now. New, in this case I am still a baby!! It has always failed on the efficiency issues. Now the efficiency has been improved by using a special catalyzer. Guess what, it is platinum, so now we must reclaim all the jewelry that we gave our women and start to make fuel for our cars. That does not work, I would not even suggest it to my wife. I might be crazy in dealing with energy saving and renewable energy, but I am not suicidal. The researchers themselves probably also have spouses, because as a comment they sad that it proved that it could be done and now they only had to find a catalyzer that could be practically used. http://energy.saving.nu/resources/efficiencygame.shtml I got several positive letters for this and they all congratulated me for telling the truth about hydrogen. Some of them worked with research on the issues. It is not a ready for use technology. Hakan At 08:13 AM 12/9/2002 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021223s=rifkin article | Posted December 5, 2002 Hydrogen: Empowering the People by Jeremy Rifkin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People
Fuel cells are a wonderful thing. Too bad there isn't much to fuel them with. Don't even get me started on electrolysis. It's a cool science fair project, but not much else. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen: Empowering the People Well, I dunno. Rifkin doesn't usually get it wrong, he's been way ahead quite a few times. I haven't read the book. But I have been hearing about fuel cells being just around the corner for nearly 30 years now. They didn't say which corner. I think I did give some jewelry to a woman once. It didn't work out well so I didn't do it again. Oh, I did - I gave another woman about a million diamonds. She wasn't impressed at all, she lost them in the end. Okay, they were kind of small. Well, they were so small you needed a 20X lens to see they were diamonds. But they looked great through the lens, beautiful sparklers. Fussy, some people. Keith Another author that is less than exact, in his attempt to present a new technology. If they know so much, they ought to know that it is a technology that has been researched for more than 80 years now. New, in this case I am still a baby!! It has always failed on the efficiency issues. Now the efficiency has been improved by using a special catalyzer. Guess what, it is platinum, so now we must reclaim all the jewelry that we gave our women and start to make fuel for our cars. That does not work, I would not even suggest it to my wife. I might be crazy in dealing with energy saving and renewable energy, but I am not suicidal. The researchers themselves probably also have spouses, because as a comment they sad that it proved that it could be done and now they only had to find a catalyzer that could be practically used. http://energy.saving.nu/resources/efficiencygame.shtml I got several positive letters for this and they all congratulated me for telling the truth about hydrogen. Some of them worked with research on the issues. It is not a ready for use technology. Hakan At 08:13 AM 12/9/2002 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021223s=rifkin article | Posted December 5, 2002 Hydrogen: Empowering the People by Jeremy Rifkin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
