RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
In a sunny climate like the mountains of New Mexico this thing will make around 250 kwh a day and at ten cents each that means about $25 a day worth of electricity. And figuring 300 days a year of good sunshine, that comes to about $7500 per year or less than six years pay back on the machine. All a person has to do is find a use for $25 a day worth of electricity. I can think of a few. kris --- Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went and checked that site out and the unit was 42,000 big ones. And that not with all the bells and whistles -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors Last time I asked the price was in the 5 digits. Wish in one hand and spit in the other to see which one fills up fastest. - Original Message - From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors I want one!! --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? I've seen their 1kW gennie in operation. It runs on biomass - wood chips, cobs and the like. Slick as a whistle, with their magnetically suspended piston. Sets into motion the imagery a bit like an overglorified pellet stove, coupled with the Stirling engine and a generator, all wrapped up in a portable and aesthetic package about the size of a 1-5 kW gasoline gennie. It's a great little unit, especially if the waste heat were coupled into a water or residence heating system. Just a bit on the pricey side though, as the few units made have been cast and prepared individually. It's going to take a seriously interested manufacturer to get the price down to the Home Depot (that's consumer warehouse) level. Todd Swearingen __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1457554/R=0/*http://ipunda.com/clk/beibunmaisuiyuiwabei http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1457554/rand=442001186 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Hey, I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that can do any appreciable amount of work and are available for purchase. Little kits that power fans from hot cups of coffee are great for the Captain Kangaroo bunch. But are there any real motors on the order of 5 bhp that arer available for purchase? Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? There is a group on Yahoo called SESUSA (http://www.sesusa.org) . Good info there but I have not seen any real workable engines that would be considered a powerplant that is available to a regular joe. Still pretty exotic yet. Yours, Mark --- kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still waiting to see a Stirling that is as efficient as other cycles across the same delta T. Kirk __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? I've seen their 1kW gennie in operation. It runs on biomass - wood chips, cobs and the like. Slick as a whistle, with their magnetically suspended piston. Sets into motion the imagery a bit like an overglorified pellet stove, coupled with the Stirling engine and a generator, all wrapped up in a portable and aesthetic package about the size of a 1-5 kW gasoline gennie. It's a great little unit, especially if the waste heat were coupled into a water or residence heating system. Just a bit on the pricey side though, as the few units made have been cast and prepared individually. It's going to take a seriously interested manufacturer to get the price down to the Home Depot (that's consumer warehouse) level. Todd Swearingen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Mark, Thank you for the links and if the info is actual, not much happened since I last looked at it. Must have been a long time ago, since I didn't even remember the correct spelling, Stirling it should be. Very interesting anyway and I will read and investigate more about it. My bet for solar driven AC is still the Austrians with the modified Electrolux - Munter technology. I am not saying this because I am Swedish as they are (the companies, the founders were) and that we have done some jobs for them, but because my thoughts have for long been along the lines that the Austrians now realized. I like the idea of reversible solar panels. Hakan At 01:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, you wrote: Hey, I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that can do any appreciable amount of work and are available for purchase. Little kits that power fans from hot cups of coffee are great for the Captain Kangaroo bunch. But are there any real motors on the order of 5 bhp that arer available for purchase? Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? There is a group on Yahoo called SESUSA (http://www.sesusa.org) . Good info there but I have not seen any real workable engines that would be considered a powerplant that is available to a regular joe. Still pretty exotic yet. Yours, Mark --- kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still waiting to see a Stirling that is as efficient as other cycles across the same delta T. Kirk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
I want one!! --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? I've seen their 1kW gennie in operation. It runs on biomass - wood chips, cobs and the like. Slick as a whistle, with their magnetically suspended piston. Sets into motion the imagery a bit like an overglorified pellet stove, coupled with the Stirling engine and a generator, all wrapped up in a portable and aesthetic package about the size of a 1-5 kW gasoline gennie. It's a great little unit, especially if the waste heat were coupled into a water or residence heating system. Just a bit on the pricey side though, as the few units made have been cast and prepared individually. It's going to take a seriously interested manufacturer to get the price down to the Home Depot (that's consumer warehouse) level. Todd Swearingen __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Mark, You can stop waiting. http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp kris --- Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that can do any appreciable amount of work and are available for purchase. Little kits that power fans from hot cups of coffee are great for the Captain Kangaroo bunch. But are there any real motors on the order of 5 bhp that arer available for purchase? Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? There is a group on Yahoo called SESUSA (http://www.sesusa.org) . Good info there but I have not seen any real workable engines that would be considered a powerplant that is available to a regular joe. Still pretty exotic yet. Yours, Mark --- kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still waiting to see a Stirling that is as efficient as other cycles across the same delta T. Kirk __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
I went and checked that site out and the unit was 42,000 big ones. And that not with all the bells and whistles -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors Last time I asked the price was in the 5 digits. Wish in one hand and spit in the other to see which one fills up fastest. - Original Message - From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors I want one!! --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? I've seen their 1kW gennie in operation. It runs on biomass - wood chips, cobs and the like. Slick as a whistle, with their magnetically suspended piston. Sets into motion the imagery a bit like an overglorified pellet stove, coupled with the Stirling engine and a generator, all wrapped up in a portable and aesthetic package about the size of a 1-5 kW gasoline gennie. It's a great little unit, especially if the waste heat were coupled into a water or residence heating system. Just a bit on the pricey side though, as the few units made have been cast and prepared individually. It's going to take a seriously interested manufacturer to get the price down to the Home Depot (that's consumer warehouse) level. Todd Swearingen __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1457554/R=0/*http://ipunda.com/clk/beibunmaisuiyuiwabei http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1457554/rand=442001186 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Last time I asked the price was in the 5 digits. Wish in one hand and spit in the other to see which one fills up fastest. - Original Message - From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors I want one!! --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? I've seen their 1kW gennie in operation. It runs on biomass - wood chips, cobs and the like. Slick as a whistle, with their magnetically suspended piston. Sets into motion the imagery a bit like an overglorified pellet stove, coupled with the Stirling engine and a generator, all wrapped up in a portable and aesthetic package about the size of a 1-5 kW gasoline gennie. It's a great little unit, especially if the waste heat were coupled into a water or residence heating system. Just a bit on the pricey side though, as the few units made have been cast and prepared individually. It's going to take a seriously interested manufacturer to get the price down to the Home Depot (that's consumer warehouse) level. Todd Swearingen __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Very Cool! I wrote them requesting availability of various equipment - lets see what happens. Mark --- Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, You can stop waiting. http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp kris --- Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that can do any appreciable amount of work and are available for purchase. Little kits that power fans from hot cups of coffee are great for the Captain Kangaroo bunch. But are there any real motors on the order of 5 bhp that arer available for purchase? Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? There is a group on Yahoo called SESUSA (http://www.sesusa.org) . Good info there but I have not seen any real workable engines that would be considered a powerplant that is available to a regular joe. Still pretty exotic yet. Yours, Mark --- kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still waiting to see a Stirling that is as efficient as other cycles across the same delta T. Kirk __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
