Re[2]: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Hallo Doug, Sunday, 14 August, 2005, 16:42:09, you wrote: dbo There may have been a misunderstanding in Baghdad. I suspect that the dbo people in Washington knew exactly what they were doing. dbo Doug Woodard dbo St. Catharines, Ontario There is no suspect about it. I heard the US ambassador tell Iraqi government officials that the US had no interest in the issue at all. Twice. Seems that many people who also saw that on the US news have conveniently forgotten it. Our government suckered Iraq in order to invade. Period.Washington was fully cognizant of Iraq's intentions and lied in order to have an excuse to invade. Twice now we have done similar things. Happy Happy, Gustl dbo On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Hakan Falk wrote: Iraq is the result of a misunderstanding, Saddam Hussein asked for the US permission to invade Kuweit and thought that he got it. -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
I read that G Bush Sr. did not plan to invade Iraq over Kuwait until he met with Maggie Thatcher and she told him how her popularity soared after the war she waged in the Faulklands, and this made him rethink his response to Saddam invading Kuwait. Is there any truth to this? Marilyn dbo There may have been a misunderstanding in Baghdad. I suspect that the dbo people in Washington knew exactly what they were doing. dbo Doug Woodard dbo St. Catharines, Ontario There is no suspect about it. I heard the US ambassador tell Iraqi government officials that the US had no interest in the issue at all. Twice. Seems that many people who also saw that on the US news have conveniently forgotten it. Our government suckered Iraq in order to invade. Period.Washington was fully cognizant of Iraq's intentions and lied in order to have an excuse to invade. Twice now we have done similar things. Happy Happy, Gustl dbo On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Hakan Falk wrote: Iraq is the result of a misunderstanding, Saddam Hussein asked for the US permission to invade Kuweit and thought that he got it. -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
I don't know enough to say, but my suspicion is that Saddam was encouraged to overreact to Kuwaiti drilling into disputed areas, in order to 1. turn Saddam's Iraq from a client state into an enemy. The U.S. didn't have enough enemies at the time to justify its national security apparatus, which I suspect was felt in certain quarters to be a worthy end in itself. 2. introduce large U.S. ground and air forces into the Middle East with the consent of Saudi Arabia and other countries. 3. stimulate the modernization of the U.S. military and its supporting industry and provide some business for that industry. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read that G Bush Sr. did not plan to invade Iraq over Kuwait until he met with Maggie Thatcher and she told him how her popularity soared after the war she waged in the Faulklands, and this made him rethink his response to Saddam invading Kuwait. Is there any truth to this? Marilyn dbo There may have been a misunderstanding in Baghdad. I suspect that the dbo people in Washington knew exactly what they were doing. dbo Doug Woodard dbo St. Catharines, Ontario There is no suspect about it. I heard the US ambassador tell Iraqi government officials that the US had no interest in the issue at all. Twice. Seems that many people who also saw that on the US news have conveniently forgotten it. Our government suckered Iraq in order to invade. Period.Washington was fully cognizant of Iraq's intentions and lied in order to have an excuse to invade. Twice now we have done similar things. Happy Happy, Gustl dbo On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Hakan Falk wrote: Iraq is the result of a misunderstanding, Saddam Hussein asked for the US permission to invade Kuweit and thought that he got it. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Hallo Whomever, Sunday, 31 July, 2005, 18:03:48, you wrote: Wwrc In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than Wwrc us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe In GOD We Trust. In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited.? I assume that you have NEVER listened to Rush Limbaugh or his ilk then? Jerry Falwell? Pat Robertson? In GOD We Trust? The qualifier Somewhat does not appear there between We and Trust. Those trusting in God are those rejecting the ways of the world and following the ways of the Lord. That would be those in peace churches and not involving themselves in national politics and perhaps not even state politics. I assume you mean In the bible we trust instead, with the caveat of your own particular interpretations of that and including the old testament which has, according to virtually all biblical scholars of the Christian bent been fulfilled and the jots and tittles have been changed. It is very interesting watching the contortions of the theologians trying to make the black words in the bible match up to the red words when they flatly contradict them in so many cases. If they trusted in God they would have the ability to get to their knowledge without the aid of such an inadequate medium as the written word. It is not so interesting watching them pulling verses or partial verses out of context and trying to warp them to their own particular beliefs. They would rather define truth to match their own limited understanding rather than take the trouble to bring their understanding in line with truth. Makes one ill. I generally attempt to be more kind in my observations but I really get weary watching people serving two masters while claiming to be serving only one. That which is good, right and true speaks for itself and the rest requires justification. There are a lot of Christians who are going to be justifying their heads off and a lot who don't call themselves Christian who won't need to do so. Law vs Spirit. There are a lot of folks out there who may have read but have either forgotten or do not understand MT 25:12, LK 13:25, LK 13:27 and JN 5:42. Perhaps they just think claiming to believe something is tautologous with demonstrating the fruits of the belief. Fruits? GAL 5:22. You won't find a lot of those fruits in politics whether left, right or center. Before I forget: MT 7:3-5 There is a great difference between reading the words and knowing what they mean, understanding them. Living them is even more difficult. I have failed somewhat in this unkind mail but am prepared to live and/or die with the consequences of my actions and without excuses or justification. I hope all those upholding life with one hand and activily participating in or concurring with the dealing out of death with the other are just as ready. Blue or red or whatever shade. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Hallo Nancy, I can't disagree. Murder, war, abortion, capital punishment are all on the same level with different types of justifications for each depending on situation, etc. But then, as I have said, only that which is wrong requires justification. What is true and right stands on its own. Happy Happy, Gustl Monday, 01 August, 2005, 13:45:13, you wrote: NC I agree with you Gustl. Yet, I am amazed and the quanity of people who will NC uphold and fight for some snails life, being of great importance and right NC to live, yet believe it is okay to kill babies. That the Child is of no NC value and has no right to life. NC - Original Message - NC From: des [EMAIL PROTECTED] NC To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org NC Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:56 AM NC Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Thank you! That was the first message in this thread I found worth saving for future reference. Too much out there, (government, business and religion) has propagated the illusion of separation, competition and isolation... We could easily forget that we do all come from the same Source, sad to say though, that when mankind tries to give that Source a name, religion develops, and separation of our unity follows. doug swanson Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Whomever, Sunday, 31 July, 2005, 18:03:48, you wrote: Wwrc In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than Wwrc us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe In GOD We Trust. In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited.? I assume that you have NEVER listened to Rush Limbaugh or his ilk then? Jerry Falwell? Pat Robertson? ...snip for bandwidth... -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
