Re: Wes - RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-08 Thread Keith Addison

Hi Ryan


Keith wrote:

And there are people who demand to know: What's all this off-topic 
political crap got to do with BIOFUELS???, which usually turns out 
to be another way of saying they disagree with it and want it 
censored.


Keith, I for one will put in my 2 cents and say quite honestly that 
I wouldn't be glued to my computer reading email updates of this 
list if it weren't for the political discussion.  I live in the 
South Dakota, USA.  Most people here are Red state type of people 
who don't want change as long as there is a conservative in office 
pretending he/she cares.  I love that we can all speak freely, and I 
especially love that I can read what people from around the world 
think, especially about America...I agree with most of them.  I am 
also thankful that you post so many articles, I would not be exposed 
to this information otherwise.  This list has changed my world view 
for the better.  Thank you for your hard work, and thank you to all 
the contributers.


Thanks so much for taking the time to say so, it's much appreciated, 
and you're most welcome.


Best wishes

Keith



Ryan



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Re: Wes - RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-08 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Keith, Friends,

Thursday, 07 July, 2005, 17:19:26, you wrote:
...snip...
You will notice that Keith, for instance, seems to offer solutions.
KA ... thanks for saying so! Though not always, I can be negative too
KA where necessary, but I do try to point to alternatives. More than 
KA that I'd say I'm trying to provide useful information. This forum and 
KA these issues are all about empowerment, IMHO, but there's hundreds of 
KA billions spent every year on PR, advertising and all the other forms 
KA of message massage to try to prevent exactly that, empowerment. And 
KA perhaps especially around anything to do with fossil-fuels. Lots of 
KA blind alleys, much confusion and frustration, and here in the 
KA Information Age most of the information is just noise and smoke to 
KA keep you baffled. Good information helps, it's empowering.
...snip...

I  have only been reading sporadically as I am not yet fully shipshape
and  Bristol fashion but there is a place for people who recognize the
problems and point them out without solutions as long as they are just
doing  that,  pointing  the  problems  out,  recognizing them, but not
attacking   randomly.   Sometimes   we  have  a  difficult  time  even
recognizing  the  real  root cause of something and we go for treating
symptoms rather than curing the disease. It is a matter of how and why
it  is  done,  of  whether  it is to help as one is able or to attack,
criticize and defend a partisan position. Makes a world of difference.
It's  sort of like automobile electrics. It may help to change the bad
bulb  repeatedly  but  the  problem  won't be fixed until you find the
short and repair that and then replace the bulb.

Happy Happy,

Gustl
--
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.

We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails.

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, 
daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
William Wordsworth



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Re: Wes - RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-08 Thread r

You're welcome.

Richard

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Hi Ryan


Keith wrote:

And there are people who demand to know: What's all this off-topic 
political crap got to do with BIOFUELS???, which usually turns out 
to be another way of saying they disagree with it and want it censored.



Keith, I for one will put in my 2 cents and say quite honestly that I 
wouldn't be glued to my computer reading email updates of this list 
if it weren't for the political discussion.  I live in the South 
Dakota, USA.  Most people here are Red state type of people who don't 
want change as long as there is a conservative in office pretending 
he/she cares.  I love that we can all speak freely, and I especially 
love that I can read what people from around the world think, 
especially about America...I agree with most of them.  I am also 
thankful that you post so many articles, I would not be exposed to 
this information otherwise.  This list has changed my world view for 
the better.  Thank you for your hard work, and thank you to all the 
contributers.



Thanks so much for taking the time to say so, it's much appreciated, 
and you're most welcome.


Best wishes

Keith



Ryan




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Re: Wes - RE: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-07 Thread Ryan Hall



Keith wrote:

And there are people who demand to 
know: "What's all this off-topic political crap got to do with BIOFUELS???", 
which usually turns out to be another way of saying they disagree with it and 
want it censored.

Keith, I for one will put in my 2 cents and say quite honestly that I 
wouldn't be glued to my computer reading email updates of this list if it 
weren't for the political discussion. I live in the South Dakota, 
USA. Most people here are Red state type of people who don't want change 
as long as there is a conservative in office pretending he/she cares. I 
love that we can all speak freely, and I especially love that I can read what 
people from around the world think, especially about America...I agree with most 
of them. I am also thankful that you post so many articles, I would not be 
exposed to this information otherwise. This list has changed my world view 
for the better. Thank you for your hard work, and thank you to all the 
contributers.

Ryan
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