re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production

2005-02-04 Thread Keith Addison




Keith,

People have been saying that here for five years, and elsewhere no
doubt much longer. I'm not being sceptical, I agree with you. That
they're so slow off the mark and it's taking them so long would
rather tend to reinforce my scepticism of their much-vaunted and
largely mythical super-efficiency, and certainly of their economies
of scale. Small is more beautiful! LOL!

Lets hope that they are too blinded by their outlook on petroleum 
long enough for the co-ops and local interests to take hold.


It's sometimes compared with the Prohibition (not a bad comparison, 
Big Oil certainly had their grubby little fingers deep into that 
particular pie). Anyway, alcohol (ethanol) was much too entrenched to 
be so simply eradicated from society, people wouldn't accept it. I've 
seen data that the consumption of alcohol went up by 80% - the 
attraction of the illicit, and perhaps a measure of how little people 
like being told by a government/corporate nanny what they can and 
can't do for their own good.


I think it's too late to stop it with biofuels and probably 
especially biodiesel. There are such moves afoot to control and 
deter, in Australia, and elsewhere (quite swingeing, some of them), 
but more likely it will simply drive the backyarders and DIY-ers - 
the small guys - underground. I can see indications of that 
happening. These tend to be individualistic people, 
independent-minded, perhaps less a part of the herd than many or 
most. Not so easy to push them around, or at least to make it stick.


But again, why so late? The backyarders and small-scalers have cost 
Big Oil and government millions upon millions already in lost 
revenues and lost taxes, and they're only beginning to notice now? 
We're right under their radar sceen, and likely to remain there, no 
matter how much they try to stop it. It's out of control, IMO.


Of course with the Prohibition the highly unfortunate effect was to 
give a massive boost to organised crime, much like the drugs controls 
(per se) have done since.


Ah well.. so we're all headed to be stinking rich kingpins of the 
illicit biofuels trade, biodiesel godfathers, LOL! Anybody inerested 
in an offer you can't refuse? :-)


However, the avaliable feed stocks are not enough to fulfill our 
current consumption (talking both biodiesels and ethanol).  So, is 
it plausable that any given fuel economy of an industrialized nation 
can be sustained with out a sizable infrastructure?


Current consumption of the OECD countries, especially of the US, is 
out of the question, biofuels or no biofuels. See:


World energy use
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse

Hence the Biofuel list mantra, or one of them:


It's become something of a mantra that simply
substituting biofuel for fossil-fuels is no answer - a rational
energy future requires great reductions in energy use (waste), great
improvements in energy efficiency, and probably most important,
decentralisation of supply to the local level, along with the use of
all available renewable technologies in combination as the local
circumstances demand.


Not good news for big, central and top-down vested interests, eh? Add 
to that what can only be described as a pure addiction to fossil 
fuels and I think we have part of the answer to why they're moving so 
snailishly fast.


See, eg:

http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/
How much fuel can we grow?

http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/
Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming

Regards

Keith




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re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production

2005-02-03 Thread DHAJOGLO

Ug...From a NBB email update today:
(It is my understanding, but I may be mistaken, that World Energy, who 
evidently controls around 75% of the US biodiesel market, is owned by Gulf Oil)


Its my opinion that once biofuels start to replace petrol fuels the oil 
companies will rush to secure a monopoly.  News like this indicates to me that 
they already are ramping up.



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re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production

2005-02-03 Thread Keith Addison



(It is my understanding, but I may be mistaken, that World Energy, who
evidently controls around 75% of the US biodiesel market, is owned 
by Gulf Oil)



Its my opinion that once biofuels start to replace petrol fuels the 
oil companies will rush to secure a monopoly.  News like this 
indicates to me that they already are ramping up.


People have been saying that here for five years, and elsewhere no 
doubt much longer. I'm not being sceptical, I agree with you. That 
they're so slow off the mark and it's taking them so long would 
rather tend to reinforce my scepticism of their much-vaunted and 
largely mythical super-efficiency, and certainly of their economies 
of scale. Small is more beautiful! LOL!


Regards

Keith

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re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production

2005-02-03 Thread DHAJOGLO

Keith,

People have been saying that here for five years, and elsewhere no
doubt much longer. I'm not being sceptical, I agree with you. That
they're so slow off the mark and it's taking them so long would
rather tend to reinforce my scepticism of their much-vaunted and
largely mythical super-efficiency, and certainly of their economies
of scale. Small is more beautiful! LOL!

Lets hope that they are too blinded by their outlook on petroleum long enough 
for the co-ops and local interests to take hold.  

However, the avaliable feed stocks are not enough to fulfill our current 
consumption (talking both biodiesels and ethanol).  So, is it plausable that 
any given fuel economy of an industrialized nation can be sustained with out a 
sizable infrastructure?


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