Re: [svg-developers] SVG vs ? in Enterprise Applications
At 7:12 PM 2/15/5, Aashish Singhvi wrote: > My question is: is there some inherent limitations in current SVG > that prevent it from being used extensively for Enterprise web apps? > What other technology is the currently the favorite among such > applications? (Don't think flash is used a lot in this domain) For what it's worth, SWF technologies are experiencing rapid growth inside intranets, but these are difficult to quantify because they are not as linkable as pure web projects like these: http://www.macromedia.com/showcase/ The most rapid SWF adoption inside enterprise seems to be for presentation & meeting materials... the Macromedia Breeze suite of authoring options is enjoying explosive growth: http://www.macromedia.com/software/breeze/customers/ Enterprise applications seem fewer than presentations, but here's a partial list of early Macromedia Flex customers: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/customers/ No big thing here, just some added context for the above judgment. jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Adobe please distribute SVG Viewer
At 11:18 AM 2/10/5, Rick Bullotta wrote, in part: > Let's face it - all most of us really need is some relatively > simple vector graphics rendered in our browsers. All of the > exotic filters and transforms and some of the more esoterica > in SVG are in the "nice to have" category. I'd be deliriously > happy to have SVG Basic or even SVG Tiny supported natively > by all major browsers. I know that we can achieve rendering of basic SVG instructions in nearly any browser today, without having to install anything new, as web search term "actionscript svg" demonstrates. I don't know how closely the set of SVG rendering instructions supported by the above routines matches the SVG-Tiny set... might be some differences, but I believe the ActionScript routines are oriented around the filter-less SVG subsets. So... how closely do these match what you need to do? Any glaring omissions or awkwardness? Any potential action items I could raise to my partners on the Player team here...? tx, jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] svg viewer for .NET
At 1:08 AM 2/4/5, friedhelmeichin wrote: > Which is the favorite svg viewer for builing now such a > comercial .Net windows application? ?? .NET usually runs on the server (depending on whether you include the CLR in your definition), and SVG is usually rendered in the web browser, true...? XAML is only available in preliminary versions of the markup format, and then you'd need some type of clientside renderer, which are also in pre-beta. The eventual download size for WinXP may end up being, I dunno, a hundred times larger than the Adobe SVG Viewer, so likely adoption rates seem currently difficult to predict. You can generate SVG-style XML with many types of server software. Once you've got a valid SVG file, then it should be viewable in whatever compliant viewer your audience has installed. >We have to build a ms windows application, which should view a svg >graphic and dynamically change some svg elements as well as process >events at runtime. Have you examined whether any of the available SVG clients which your audience might install are capable of performing the tasks you desire...? jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG and X3D in one breath
At 9:49 AM 2/1/5, sara_j_porter wrote: > Why is it that SVG is a W3C standard and X3D is an ISO standard? "Why" questions tend to be a bit difficult to answer definitively online (particularly if you weren't in the original decision-making group! ;-), but X3D follows VRML's lead in becoming an actual standard. (Rephrased, in the realtime-3D-in-browser world there has always been an emphasis on moving past Recommendation status to becoming an actual Standard.) The difficulty with VRML was that, while the file formats were predefined by a group, the various actual rendering engines differed, with none in widespread distribution, and so development and audience costs were high. There's a good collection of VRML/X3D links at Wikipedia. jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] svg in a FLASH APP?!?
At 8:48 AM 1/26/5, arianhojat2000 wrote: >hehe. i was wondering could i mess with a dynamic xml/svg document in >flash and display it with maybe a few jpegs from the server [filtered >with svg and watermarked with svg] and display it all at same time >within Flash? Yes, as Pierre noted, people have been reading XML curve instructions from SVG and then programmatically drawing these curves within the Macromedia Flash Player. A search term of "svg flash" pulls up lots of extraneous material, but a search term of "svg actionscript" brings you various implementations. Helen Triolo and Claus Wahler have been the driving forces behind much of this work. (Note that this work focuses more on the scalable vector graphics in an SVG XML file, rather than other effects... people are working with vector drawings here, rather than the full SVG specifications.) >i would make slight modificiations to the image like filter effects, >resizing with svg, but was wondring then could it be dynamically >displayed in flash? Pixel-filters, no, at least not now. The current Macromedia Flash Player 7 does not apply blurs and such at runtime. The upcoming version of the Macromedia Flash Player, due later this year, is expected to include blurs, shadows and other pixel effects, as well as new compositing options (overlay, screen, etc). A search term of "flash player blur" pulls up reporting on previous public preview sessions. If you're trying to blur a JPG today, then this might be accomplished most easily by an image-processor on the server (I forget names of current offerings). (Sidenote: I was in an internal meeting the other day where these features were shown, and I asked which algorithms were chosen -- Photoshop's "overlay" mode is one that has been tricky for other applications to precisely replicate, for instance. I was told that that the next version of the Macromedia Flash Player would be using the compositing algorithms defined in the SVG 1.2 specification as its rules. This isn't guaranteed until it actually ships, of course, but that's my current understanding of the compositing algorithm problem.) At 10:02 AM 1/26/5, Barend Köbben wrote: > I seem to remember that one can use activeX objects in flash > (maybe through some add-on or plugin), so you might be able > to start the ASV viewer inside Flash... No... although the IE/Win browser can host any pre-installed system-level ActiveX Control, the Macromedia Flash Player does not, for security and compatibility reasons. > My main question is: Why would you want to...? One reason is for easier viewing in more browsers. jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Lack of lod support. Knock-out criterium?
At 11:18 AM 1/25/5, hmrupp wrote: >Odd that this capability has not been added so far. The lack of lod- >support is almost a knock-out criterium in my eyes. I mean what's the >big deal about having the graphic rendered on the client side if you >cannot easily some into and out of details? >It certainly makes SVG much less usefull for mapping applications. Hmm, but it's still a hard problem technically. Think about it for a moment, using as an example the coastline of a map of Denmark: At low level of detail you might include coordinates for Skagen, Grena, Vejle, Tondor, Esbjerg, and Hanstholm. This gives the general shape of the coastline. Now, assuming you don't want to download *all* possible data before seeing anything, these coordinates would likely be at the head of a long file, or in a discrete file of their own. Zoom in a little, and you'd want to add Randers between Skagen and Grena, Ebeltoft between Grena and Vejle, and so on. You can either send this second level-of-detail as a file in its own (similar to how zoom-in 2D maps like Yahoo! Maps work today), or send just the new data, while meanwhile sending info on how it relates to the prior data. The more you zoom in, then either (a) the more prior data you're duplicating; or (b) the more data you have to transfer describing how new data relates to prior data. (This relationship data can become quite complex when dealing with concavity.) 3D models may have things a bit easier, because surface-modeling techniques usually don't have the unpredictable concavity and holes we find in real world coastlines. IBM uses Delaunay compression in its multi-resolution mesh surfaces, for instance: http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/segments/44005.htm?page=5 So... are you thinking you'd like to transfer all the data upfront and then selectively display parts of it, or would you rather have the full dataset be transferred in pieces for on-demand viewing...? jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe PDF Reader 7/SVG/IE or Firefox KABOOM
At 11:31 AM 1/12/5, Rick Bullotta wrote: >SVG stuff is misbehaving severely with PDF Reader 7.0. In IE, I can crash >the browser pretty regularly when navigating to pages containing the EMBED >tag: > >border="0" height="300"> Hmm, IE/Win should just ignore the EMBED, assuming it has an IE-style OBJECT to work with...? >In Firefox, the tag doesn't work at all. The "Click Here to Download >Plugin" icon is displayed. That symptom is often associated with a lack of MIME type information from the server (or, optionally, in the HTML page, as you have, above). I'm in Mozilla at the moment, and can inspect a page's MIME information via View menu -> View Info -> Media... clicking on the EMBED here will display "Type:" info... can we confirm that your browser does recognize this as SVG data? Does that Microsoft browser also crash on known-to-be-good existing sites, or is it only some sites? Can that Mozilla browser display plugin content for other pages successfully? (This is a way to test whether the difference is in the browser's configuration, or the in the current test pages.) (I haven't made that 16-megabyte download for a new Adobe plugin yet, and so can't quickly test it myself, sorry.) jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG file format (in search engines)
At 11:29 PM 10/21/4, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a CC to this mailing list: > Why don't you currently including Scaleable Vector Graphics > format documents in your search results? What leads you to believe they don't? When I try searches like this, I receive direct search results: Google term: "map filetype:svg" Maybe you were doing a text search, and found HTML pages rather than the SVG files referenced within those HTML pages? If so, then external links are usually to HTML rather than directly to extended assets referenced by those pages, and so the enclosing page would usually show up rather than parts within that page. Could something like this be what you're seeing there...? jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco (Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!) Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Technical daily diary: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
