Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
There are rumours that IE8 will have native svg support. The rumour says that IE7 won't have it because it was too difficult and too late support it, but that a decision was made to support svg in IE8. This makes sense given that IE is slipping in rankings behind other implementations that do support SVG, and it is hard to regain/stop-loss when your competitors offer more than you do. Something to keep in mind is that a technology which supports XAML will easily supports svg, since the there is a huge overlap in functionality only the slightest element name changes. Then again, rumours are just that. Maybe IE staff would care to comment on this rumour Ronan On Wednesday 06 September 2006 09:26, nyem wrote: I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/ nyem wrote: I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Hi, folks- There is a FAQ associated with this announcement, but of course, it's in Web-unfriendly PDF. I'm forwarding on the text version for your information. Not only are they stopping support for the viewer, which is reasonable, but they are preventing anyone from distributing it other than on an intranet. In my opinion, this is unjustified and downright rude. the short timeframe in which this is happening, 16 months, is not much time for another viewer to come up to speed. I think we should urge Adobe to allow the viewer to be distributed as needed, even if Adobe does not provide support or updates. That said, we will need to transition to a non-ASV SVG environment, which stresses even more the need to code to standards rather than to a particular implementation. - FAQ - ASV EOL FAQ Adobe® SVG Viewer End of Life Frequently Asked Questions This document provides answers to frequently asked questions about Adobe’s decision to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer (“ASV”). Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV?...1 When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV?1 When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area?...1 Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site?...2 Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV?2 Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products?...2 Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista?.2 Can I create my own installer for ASV?.2 What products can I use instead of ASV?..2 Will Adobe release the source code for ASV?...2 Will Adobe still participate in the SVG working group?.3 Where can I find more information?.3 What SVG and ASV community forums are available?..3 Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV? There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV? Adobe Customer Support will no longer provide support for Adobe SVG Viewer as of January 1, 2007. When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area? Adobe currently plans to remove Adobe SVG Viewer from the Adobe.com download area on January 1, 2008. Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site? You may post the Adobe SVG Viewer installer only on intranet sites. Currently, the Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not allow you to post the ASV installer on public Internet sites. For more information, please see the Adobe SVG Viewer Distribution Agreement http://www.adobe.com/svg/distribute.html. Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV? No, Adobe will not provide any more security patch releases of Adobe SVG Viewer. Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products? Adobe Illustrator was one of the first commercial illustration tools to support SVG Full and SVG Tiny. While Adobe does not publicly disclose future product directions, we will continue to evaluate the authoring needs for vector formats like SVG Full, SVG Basic, SVG Tiny, and any successors. Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista? Adobe SVG Viewer is not certified to install on Vista. In addition, users who install ASV on an older version of Windows and then upgrade to Vista should be aware that some features of ASV will not function correctly on Vista. Features of ASV that are currently known to not work on Vista include (but are not limited to) the View Source command, and support for audio. Can I create my own installer for ASV? You may not create your own installer for Adobe SVG Viewer. The Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not permit the user to repackage the product components. Among other reasons, this is because custom-made installers could include bugs that cause problems for Adobe’s customers, and those customers would then turn to Adobe for help. In addition, incorrectly installed ASV components could
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
On Wednesday, September 6, 2006, 7:00:38 PM, Doug wrote: DS That said, we will need to transition to a non-ASV SVG environment, DS which stresses even more the need to code to standards rather than to a DS particular implementation. Thats always been true, but hopefully as a result of this announcement we will see less viewer-specific content out there. -- Chris Lilleymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Interaction Domain Leader Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Another speculative muse in the category of looking on the bright side: a) more people will probably start to use Firefox and Opera b) Microsoft, sensing a loss of market share for IE, will decide to reprioritize their own native support for SVG, under the old more features means better software theory c) in hiring the expertise necessary to speed the addition of SVG support into their browser, Microsoft will find itself willing and able to start new fronts of competition with Adobe. For example, they will create a competitor to PDF and make it public domain, they'll donate millions to development of the GIMP and then bundle it with the OS, they'll buy Pixar and build a heads-on competitor for Flash/Director and Lingo (using .net and SVG), and will start giving away all of Corbis' images for free. All this will result in depletion of Microsoft's cash reserves. d) Adobe will have to buy Microsoft just to keep down its competition. (hey just kidding -- well, at least about some of this) David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/7EuRwD/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Anyone had any experience of converting SVG to flex? Clearly Adobe is hoping that's what will happen. Guy On 07/09/2006, at 3:00 AM, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, folks- There is a FAQ associated with this announcement, but of course, it's in Web-unfriendly PDF. I'm forwarding on the text version for your information. Not only are they stopping support for the viewer, which is reasonable, but they are preventing anyone from distributing it other than on an intranet. In my opinion, this is unjustified and downright rude. the short timeframe in which this is happening, 16 months, is not much time for another viewer to come up to speed. I think we should urge Adobe to allow the viewer to be distributed as needed, even if Adobe does not provide support or updates. That said, we will need to transition to a non-ASV SVG environment, which stresses even more the need to code to standards rather than to a particular implementation. - FAQ - ASV EOL FAQ Adobe® SVG Viewer End of Life Frequently Asked Questions This document provides answers to frequently asked questions about Adobe’s decision to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer (“ASV”). Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV?...1 When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV?1 When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area?...1 Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site?. ..2 Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV?2 Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products?...2 Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista?.2 Can I create my own installer for ASV?.. ...2 What products can I use instead of ASV?.. 2 Will Adobe release the source code for ASV?.. .2 Will Adobe still participate in the SVG working group?.3 Where can I find more information?.. ...3 What SVG and ASV community forums are available?..3 Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV? There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV? Adobe Customer Support will no longer provide support for Adobe SVG Viewer as of January 1, 2007. When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area? Adobe currently plans to remove Adobe SVG Viewer from the Adobe.com download area on January 1, 2008. Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site? You may post the Adobe SVG Viewer installer only on intranet sites. Currently, the Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not allow you to post the ASV installer on public Internet sites. For more information, please see the Adobe SVG Viewer Distribution Agreement http://www.adobe.com/svg/distribute.html. Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV? No, Adobe will not provide any more security patch releases of Adobe SVG Viewer. Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products? Adobe Illustrator was one of the first commercial illustration tools to support SVG Full and SVG Tiny. While Adobe does not publicly disclose future product directions, we will continue to evaluate the authoring needs for vector formats like SVG Full, SVG Basic, SVG Tiny, and any successors. Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista? Adobe SVG Viewer is not certified to install on Vista. In addition, users who install ASV on an older version of Windows and then upgrade to Vista should be aware that some features of ASV will not function correctly on Vista. Features of ASV that are currently known to not work on Vista include (but are not limited to) the View Source command, and support for audio. Can I create my own installer for ASV? You may not create your own installer for Adobe SVG Viewer. The Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not permit the user to repackage the
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Hi, Ronan- Ronan Oger wrote: Yeah right, and compete with their own product? Doug, you are optimistic to a fault. Perhaps. But if you don't ask for something, you're unlikely to get it. This announcement from Adobe had a rather tentative tone in parts, suggesting to me that they might be feeling out community reaction; if that reaction is strongly negative enough, they might not wish to stir up such ill will. Jon Ferraiolo, a veteran of Adobe and a driving force behind SVG, goes even further than I in his suggestions to Adobe. They canned ASV to make room for their commercial solution and have no commercial incentive to keep it there as a thorn in their side for people to build applicatons around. Clearly. But they do have a moral responsibility to the community, regardless of whether they honor that responsibility. On top of that, everyone who has had to rebuild their apps to be ecmascript compliant after using ASV has loudly cursed their javascript implementation... They can only lose on reputation from having an old, unsupported product lying around gathering user ire. This doesn't sound like a very convincing argument to me. People are more aware about standardized scripting now, thanks in no small part to this list. ASV may be permissive in its scripting engine, but it also works (mostly) with the same code that works in Opera and FF. Anyone who has been foolhardy enough to code to ASVG must surely now have learned their lesson. This is the cost of vendor-supplied free addons. Nothing given by a company is free. Opera, Mozilla, and Microsoft are companies which give away their browser for free. I'm sure that all of them have older unsupported version of their browser, but I doubt that they no longer permit their distribution. I think this is highly unorthodox of Adobe. I think that other SVG viewers will now rise to the challenge, and we may be better off without the perception of SVG as an Adobe technology, but I still think this is poor practice by Adobe. Regards- -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WktRrD/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
My concern with FF, is how slow it is with SVG over 300k. Hopefully within 1.5 years the issue will be solved. I tested it with the FF 2 beta 2, and mouseover events are still laboriously slow. I posted it as a bug back in January, but nothing. Ronan Oger wrote: There are rumours that IE8 will have native svg support. The rumour says that IE7 won't have it because it was too difficult and too late support it, but that a decision was made to support svg in IE8. This makes sense given that IE is slipping in rankings behind other implementations that do support SVG, and it is hard to regain/stop-loss when your competitors offer more than you do. Something to keep in mind is that a technology which supports XAML will easily supports svg, since the there is a huge overlap in functionality only the slightest element name changes. Then again, rumours are just that. Maybe IE staff would care to comment on this rumour Ronan On Wednesday 06 September 2006 09:26, nyem wrote: I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:svg-developers-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TktRrD/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
On 9/6/06 10:55 AM, Sean wrote: My concern with FF, is how slow it is with SVG over 300k. Hopefully within 1.5 years the issue will be solved. I tested it with the FF 2 beta 2, and mouseover events are still laboriously slow. I posted it as a bug back in January, but nothing. Have a bug # to reference? Firefox 2's SVG support is almost the same as 1.5, with the addition of textPath and some low-risk, high-gain bug and specification fixes backported from the trunk. Firefox 3 (which can be previewed by looking at a trunk nightly) is where development is happening. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WktRrD/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Well, that settles it. at least it's official after all this time. It's just a shame they did not announce this 2 years ago. On Tuesday 05 September 2006 20:37, Paton J. Lewis wrote: Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently supports SVG in several of its authoring and server products, including Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. Adobe customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer will be discontinued on January 1, 2007. For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Hi- Well, I can't say that this comes as a surprise, though it is a pity that they won't allow downloads after January 1, 2008 (as per their FAQ). This means that for SVG to continue to be viable on the Web, before that point there will need to be native IE support (possible) or a new viewer (almost certain, but probably not by as big a name as Adobe). Obviously, Adobe has chosen a proprietary path that will include only Adobe/Macromedia technologies. I guess it all comes down to the bottom line for them, but it's a shame they are moving away from open standards. This seems like a good opportunity for other companies, but a bit of a challenge for authors who want to use SVG. Paton J. Lewis wrote: Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently supports SVG in several of its authoring and server products, including Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
