Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Pedro Quaresma

- There's a VHS tape in the game Daemonsgate, no idea if it has any promotional video or not.
- I believe there are some Richard Garriott videos in the Ultima 9 Dragon Edition CDs? At least one of him explaining the Virtues


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Origin Museum wrote:
 
 1. Direct Sale from EA--This was the FULL package, obtainable only via mail-order. This included the game (in the film canister), the music CD, the VHS video, the T-Shirt, the 'Behind The Screens' CD, and the 1995 Wing Commander calendar. This version came in a BROWN Cardboard Mailing Box, with the extras packaged OUTSIDE the canister...there was NO 'game box' for this version.

Small change of subject: Does anyone here have this VHS tape? I am not going
to beg for a copy, but I wanted to tell you guys that in the next few months I
am going to finally start another DVD video project, this one an effort to
preserve video relevant to software collectors, and I have contacts who are
willing to lend me their copies of the Sierra promotional tapes of the late
1980s for it. Also scheduled was the making of Wing Commander VHS tape,
which is why I bring it up because I don't have a copy.

The DVD produced by the project would be sold a few bucks above cost (probably
through CustomFlix so that I don't have to deal with fullfillment). The goal
of the project would be to:

- Professionally dump the video in 4:2:2 for proper mastering to DVD's 4:2:0
(no cheap DV conversions)
- Clean up the video (remove noise, color correction, exposure/white level
correction)
- Clean up the audio (remove noise, remaster audio (game soundtracks) where
appropriate)
- Author to DVD with simple menu and chapter points
- Professional-grade MPEG-2 encoding

All of this was done for MindCandy so I already have the tools and knowledge. 
The scope of this project was behind the scenes and/or making-of videos --
inside trivia stuff that any collector would drool over. So, so far, I can
only think of four:

- Sierra promo videos (1989 and 1990 I believe I have contacts for, were there
any more?)
- 7th Guest making-of bundled with early versions (I have this)
- Wing Commander VHS tape (I do not have this)

Can anyone think of any more?

(Also: There are some CDROM videos that may fall into this scope, like the
Ken  Roberta interview snippets on CDROM bundled with the Robert Williams
collection, and I can remember a Robert Williams promo interview on some CDROM
gaming multimedia magazine that was popular in the mid 1990s, but I haven't
decided on including those yet. I can make crappy .AVIs look pretty damn good
through motion vectoring tricks, but I was only going to include them if the
original sources had been lost.)
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Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE!

2003-02-04 Thread Pedro Quaresma

Welcome aboard Richard! And sorry for forgetting you Marco :)

Adam - 17
Alexander - 24
Steve - 25
Brad - 26 (which month?)
Stefan - 26 (December)
Karl - 26 (September)
Pedro - 26 (April)
Stuart - 27
C.E. - 28
Stephen Lee - 29
Marco - 30
Dan - 31
Lee - 32
John R. - 35
Richard B. - 36 (which month?)
Chris N. - 36 (which month?)
Joe - 38
Edward - 39

So the average is now 29,5.

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Hi everyone!

I, for my part, only collect for IBM. My parents bought an IBM PC in
November 1983 when I was only 17 years old (so I am now 36!). A few weeks
after that, I bought my very first PC games: Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.0
and Microsoft Decathlon. I'm glad that I still have both of these games, as
well as the original IBM PC!  8-)

I have been collecting PC games since then and I must have now somewhere
between 1000 and 1200 of them I'd say (I don't know the exact number right
now). I now collect every game genres but, up until 1996, I had never
bought a single adventure games because, as a player, I did not like that
kind of games very much. Now, as a more serious collector, I try to acquire
the classic adventure games as well.

I have been suscribed to the swcollect mailing list for a few years and I
have read several of your messages over the years; I have even done
business with some of you on a few occasions since 1996. However, I am
sorry to say but, up until now, I never took the time to write and send a
single message myself!  Now I finally have!  8-)

Richard Boulet


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  Seriously, we all are rather young. I always thought this hobby would
 attract more people who were around when Zork was played on mainframes
 and who now approach 50.

 You know that brings up a good question. It would be interesting to see
 what systems each of us mainly collect for. I'm guessing it'll reflect our
 age.

 I'm mainly (virtually only) C64 and Amiga stuff. How about the rest of
you?

 Karl Kuras


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Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Stephen Emond



RG is on the Ultima Collection CD. There are also 
other RG / U9 related movies that were included with various magazine cover 
discs. If anyone's dying to know which I'll flip through them...

Steve



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  collecting videos
  - There's a VHS tape in the 
  game Daemonsgate, no idea if it has any promotional video or not. 
  - I believe there are some Richard Garriott 
  videos in the Ultima 9 Dragon Edition CDs? At least one of him explaining the 
  Virtues --Pedro R. 
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swcollect Origin Museum wrote:  1. Direct Sale from 
  EA--This was the FULL package, obtainable only via mail-order. This 
  included the game (in the film canister), the music CD, the VHS video, the 
  T-Shirt, the 'Behind The Screens' CD, and the 1995 Wing Commander calendar. 
  This version came in a BROWN Cardboard Mailing Box, with the extras 
  packaged OUTSIDE the canister...there was NO 'game box' for this 
  version.Small change of subject: Does anyone here have this VHS 
  tape? I am not goingto beg for a copy, but I wanted to tell you guys 
  that in the next few months Iam going to finally start another DVD video 
  project, this one an effort topreserve video relevant to software 
  collectors, and I have contacts who arewilling to lend me their copies of 
  the Sierra promotional tapes of the late1980s for it. Also scheduled 
  was the "making of" Wing Commander VHS tape,which is why I bring it up 
  because I don't have a copy.The DVD produced by the project would be 
  sold a few bucks above cost (probablythrough CustomFlix so that I don't 
  have to deal with fullfillment). The goalof the project would be 
  to:- Professionally dump the video in 4:2:2 for proper mastering to 
  DVD's 4:2:0(no cheap DV conversions)- Clean up the video (remove 
  noise, color correction, exposure/white levelcorrection)- Clean up the 
  audio (remove noise, remaster audio (game soundtracks) 
  whereappropriate)- Author to DVD with simple menu and chapter 
  points- Professional-grade MPEG-2 encodingAll of this was done for 
  MindCandy so I already have the tools and knowledge. The scope of this 
  project was "behind the scenes" and/or "making-of" videos --inside trivia 
  stuff that any collector would drool over. So, so far, I canonly 
  think of four:- Sierra promo videos (1989 and 1990 I believe I have 
  contacts for, were thereany more?)- 7th Guest "making-of" bundled with 
  early versions (I have this)- Wing Commander VHS tape (I do not have 
  this)Can anyone think of any more?(Also: There are some 
  CDROM videos that may fall into this scope, like theKen  Roberta 
  interview snippets on CDROM bundled with the Robert Williamscollection, 
  and I can remember a Robert Williams promo interview on some CDROMgaming 
  multimedia magazine that was popular in the mid 1990s, but I 
  haven'tdecided on including those yet. I can make crappy AVIs look 
  pretty damn goodthrough motion vectoring tricks, but I was only going to 
  include them if theoriginal sources had been lost.)-- 
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Re: [SWCollect] WC3: Premiere Edition

2003-02-04 Thread Alexander Zöller
Wow, talk about asking and receiving :) That is some great info, thanks,
Joe!

It looks like we could attribute the low production figure only to the
direct sale release, some 1,500 copies seem realistic for a mail-order
item.

I'm almost sure the European release included not only the T-shirt, but
also the VHS tape and calendar. The opened copy I have may be incomplete,
but here's a pic I saved from eBay:

http://uw3.de/wc3_premiere_4.jpg

The calendar is what sits between canister and tape.

Thanks again for the information, further details would be great!

/Alexander


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I don't think that I can straighten this out, but I may be able to shed a
little light on the subject:

To the best of my knowledge, there were 3 different versions of the Wing 3
Premiere Edition:

1.  Direct Sale from EA--This was the FULL package, obtainable only via
mail-order.  This included the game (in the film canister), the music CD,
the VHS video, the T-Shirt, the 'Behind The Screens' CD, and the 1995 Wing
Commander calendar.  This version came in a BROWN Cardboard Mailing Box,
with the extras packaged OUTSIDE the canister...there was NO 'game box' for
this version.

2.  European Release--This is the box that Alexander shows.  Since I do not
have a copy of this (gasp!), I cannot list the contents with any authority,
but I'm guessing that it included the T-shirt, but did NOT include the
calendar, or the VHS tape.

3.  American 'SAMS CLUB' release--This is the more familiar 'BOXED' version,
seen on U.S. Ebay most of the time.  It did NOT include the calendar, or the
VHS tape.

Now for the variations:

*I have seen some of the canisters that do NOT have the sticker on the
front(Tom's SAMS club one, and MY Australian Direct Sales version).  I
assume that EA ran out of stickers, and just continued to sell the packages.

**I have also seen versions where various extras were NOT included in the
SAMS boxes, and the advertising for the items on the outside of the box is
just 'blackened out' with magic marker (--I assume another EA resolution to
running out of a particular 'extra').

I'll do a bit more research on this, and post my results later, if anyone is
interested.

'...Preserving Worlds...'
Joe Garrity
Curator of The Origin Museum

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 The first link was to a scan of an outer box with blacked out T-shirt
note,
 not the film canister. Never mind ;-)


Looked like film can with sticker but no premier edition words to me
Alexander, none of them were a box? Or maybe I'm going
crazy.
;)

Tom

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Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE!

2003-02-04 Thread Pedro Quaresma

I collect RPGs in general for the following platforms (in order of preference):

IBM
AppleII
Amiga
C64
Atari ST
Sinclair Spectrum (probably not worth mentioning as I believe there are only two interesting/known RPGs on it: Bard's Tale and Times of Lore)

I usually skip RPGs that do not exist on the IBM platform (which means, for example, I don't mind having a Bard's Tale on any of the above platforms, but if Bard's Tale never had an IBM PC version, I would not want it).

The list above stands true for Ultimas, although with some extra exceptions, namely Atari 8 bits and some japanese platforms.

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 Seriously, we all are rather young. I always thought this hobby would
 attract more people who were around when Zork was played on mainframes
 and who now approach 50.

You know that brings up a good question. It would be interesting to see
what systems each of us mainly collect for. I'm guessing it'll reflect our
age.

I'm mainly (virtually only) C64 and Amiga stuff. How about the rest of you?

Karl Kuras


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Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Pedro Quaresma

Thanks for correcting me Steve. Since the only UC I have is the one on U9DE, that was probably the Origin (haha little collector humour there) of my confusion.

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RG is on the Ultima Collection CD. There are also other RG / U9 related movies that were included with various magazine cover discs. If anyone's dying to know which I'll flip through them...

Steve


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- There's a VHS tape in the game Daemonsgate, no idea if it has any promotional video or not. 
- I believe there are some Richard Garriott videos in the Ultima 9 Dragon Edition CDs? At least one of him explaining the Virtues 


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Origin Museum wrote:
 
 1. Direct Sale from EA--This was the FULL package, obtainable only via mail-order. This included the game (in the film canister), the music CD, the VHS video, the T-Shirt, the 'Behind The Screens' CD, and the 1995 Wing Commander calendar. This version came in a BROWN Cardboard Mailing Box, with the extras packaged OUTSIDE the canister...there was NO 'game box' for this version.

Small change of subject: Does anyone here have this VHS tape? I am not going
to beg for a copy, but I wanted to tell you guys that in the next few months I
am going to finally start another DVD video project, this one an effort to
preserve video relevant to software collectors, and I have contacts who are
willing to lend me their copies of the Sierra promotional tapes of the late
1980s for it. Also scheduled was the making of Wing Commander VHS tape,
which is why I bring it up because I don't have a copy.

The DVD produced by the project would be sold a few bucks above cost (probably
through CustomFlix so that I don't have to deal with fullfillment). The goal
of the project would be to:

- Professionally dump the video in 4:2:2 for proper mastering to DVD's 4:2:0
(no cheap DV conversions)
- Clean up the video (remove noise, color correction, exposure/white level
correction)
- Clean up the audio (remove noise, remaster audio (game soundtracks) where
appropriate)
- Author to DVD with simple menu and chapter points
- Professional-grade MPEG-2 encoding

All of this was done for MindCandy so I already have the tools and knowledge. 
The scope of this project was behind the scenes and/or making-of videos --
inside trivia stuff that any collector would drool over. So, so far, I can
only think of four:

- Sierra promo videos (1989 and 1990 I believe I have contacts for, were there
any more?)
- 7th Guest making-of bundled with early versions (I have this)
- Wing Commander VHS tape (I do not have this)

Can anyone think of any more?

(Also: There are some CDROM videos that may fall into this scope, like the
Ken  Roberta interview snippets on CDROM bundled with the Robert Williams
collection, and I can remember a Robert Williams promo interview on some CDROM
gaming multimedia magazine that was popular in the mid 1990s, but I haven't
decided on including those yet. I can make crappy AVIs look pretty damn good
through motion vectoring tricks, but I was only going to include them if the
original sources had been lost.)
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RE: RE: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Origin Museum
***Jim Leonard Wrote:
I have not considered the legality of it, no.  Since I am selling it at 
practically no profit (like, $1 above cost) I figured that it wouldn't be an issue.  
Getting permission probably wouldn't be too hard, but it would take a while as I'm not 
sure Ken is happy (or able) to lend Sierra copyrights.


If you can get EA's legal department to give you permission, I would be happy to send 
you a copy of the WC3 tape.  Getting that permission, however, may be a big problem.  
Considering the way EA protects their copyrights (as is their right), it could be a 
while before they allow you to do this.

For those who don't know, the VHS tape that we're referring to is a high-quality 
version of the AVI file that was included in the 'Behind The Screens' CD, which was 
released with the Official Wing Commander 3 Strategy Guide (hintbook).  Incidentally, 
that particular video was produced by Adam Foshko, Lead producer and writer for the 
soon-to-be-released FREELANCER!  I've heard a lot about the game lately, and I've been 
told that it's basically an updated version of Privateer! (I can't WAIT for this one!) 
 :)

I also have another Origin promotional tape, that was distributed to software stores 
circa 1989.  They are cheaply made advertisements for old Origin games like 
Windwalker, Knights of Legend, 2400 AD, and another (no Ultima tho.)  They were 
obviously made 'in-house', and they are not the best-produced commercials that I've 
ever seen, but they are an interesting look at the birth of computer game advertising. 
 Again, if you get the permissions, I'd be glad to contribute!  :)

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Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE!

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mark TomMage down for 67 years old!


67!!! Well I am younger than that so you have an upper limit now too ;)

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Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Jim Leonard
RG is on the Ultima Collection CD. There are also other RG / U9 related
movies that were included with various magazine
cover discs. If anyone's dying to know which I'll flip through them...

Rather than that, I may just ask you for copies of the videos when the time
comes; you could burn them onto a CD or something.

This is all a few months out, so I'm not asking for anything formally, just
advice and information for now.
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Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote:
 
 - There's a VHS tape in the game Daemonsgate, no idea if it has any
 promotional video or not.

I believe it's just background story, no real making of info.

 - I believe there are some Richard Garriott videos in the Ultima 9 Dragon
 Edition CDs? At least one of him explaining the Virtues

Ah, yes -- thank for that, hadn't remembered.
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Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Jim Leonard
Origin Museum wrote:
 
 ***Jim Leonard Wrote:
 I have not considered the legality of it, no.  Since I am selling it at 
practically no profit (like, $1 above cost) I figured that it wouldn't be an issue.  
Getting permission probably wouldn't be too hard, but it would take a while as I'm 
not sure Ken is happy (or able) to lend Sierra copyrights.
 
 If you can get EA's legal department to give you permission, I would be happy to 
send you a copy of the WC3 tape.  Getting that permission, however, may be a big 
problem.  Considering the way EA protects their copyrights (as is their right), it 
could be a while before they allow you to do this.

I wasn't planning to charge for the DVD so I didn't think there would be legal
issues.  There's always the option of a bootleg where I don't charge for it
and don't put any names on it...  In any case I'll certainly ask.
 
 I also have another Origin promotional tape, that was distributed to software stores 
circa 1989.  They are cheaply made advertisements for old Origin games like 
Windwalker, Knights of Legend, 2400 AD, and another (no Ultima tho.)  They were 
obviously made 'in-house', and they are not the best-produced commercials that I've 
ever seen, but they are an interesting look at the birth of computer game 
advertising.  Again, if you get the permissions, I'd be glad to contribute!  :)

Who would I talk to about that?  EA or someone else?  EA hadn't purchased
Origin by that time.
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Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Jim Leonard
Here's another quick question:  Assuming I create a DVD of all these various
videos, both VHS and (remastered) CDROM, what would you all be willing to pay
for it?  Or would it not be worth paying for?

Me personally, I'd pay about $15 if someone did this and sold it.
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Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Stephen Emond
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From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I also have another Origin promotional tape, that was distributed to
software stores circa 1989.  They are cheaply made advertisements for old
Origin games like Windwalker, Knights of Legend, 2400 AD, and another (no
Ultima tho.)  They were obviously made 'in-house', and they are not the
best-produced commercials that I've ever seen, but they are an interesting
look at the birth of computer game advertising.  Again, if you get the
permissions, I'd be glad to contribute!  :)

 Who would I talk to about that?  EA or someone else?  EA hadn't purchased
 Origin by that time.
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Unfortunately when EA bought Origin out they also got the rights to all of
their older titles. So one way or another you will likely have to deal with
EA directly for permission...

Steve


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RE: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos

2003-02-04 Thread Dan Chisarick
$15 is reasonable.

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From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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Here's another quick question:  Assuming I create a DVD of all these various
videos, both VHS and (remastered) CDROM, what would you all be willing to
pay for it?  Or would it not be worth paying for?

Me personally, I'd pay about $15 if someone did this and sold it.
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