Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Marco Thorek wrote: Yeah, you are right. Thunderbird looks pretty neat. I don't seem to be able to find the info on its website, so I am asking you: Can you use it as a newsgroup reader and can I import my mails from Navigator to it? Mail: You should be able to, but I never have (all my email is IMAP). As for newsgroups, yes, but I think there are better newsreaders out there than Netscape/Thunderbird (many free, actually). I certainly didn't know that. And, to be honest, I am still sticking to NN 4.54 less for security reasons but because I'm so used to it ;-) I was the same way, but I got tired of the crashing on goofy HTML mail (I don't like or prefer HTML mail, but I certain didn't want previewing the message to crash the mailer!) I hope we can soon say the same about Germany. How did the US get rid of them? We all switched to broadband ;-) Disclaimer: I *am* a security engineer during the day ;-) This list sure has some added benefits ;-) If I may ask: Who do you work for? Check Point Software. We make FireWall-1, if you've heard of it. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Spybot Search and Destroy is slightly better than Ad-Aware, but has a slightly less intuitive interface. It's the one I use. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a LOT of spyware on my computer as I've been using same drive/programs for a long time (like close to 100 spybots). If you'd like to check these sites are free (scan and REMOVE, many ask you to pay to remove). If anyone runs I'd be interested in hearing results (see if anyone has more than I did). I run both as spyware items are hard coded it seems, one might find some the other misses. http://www.safer-networking.org/ http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page http://members.aol.com/tommage/UltimaPage/ultima.htm -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Don't enable preview for attachments, because some exploits have been written to take advantage of that behavior. Instead, simply don't open any attachment at all unless you know what it is and who it came from. BL wrote: Spyware is really common now in days - if you've had an active PC for a while, then suddenly decide to run these programs, yes, you are absolutely going to find a lot of stuff, from tracking cookies and dialers to memory resident programs hijacks you didnt even know were starting at boot-up. I know first hand, since I'm the computer-savy one of the family, I've seen some seriously messed up computers, and it's gotten about 10 times as bad in the past 2 or 3 years. Ad-aware is the best thing you can do for it, combined with educating yourself on a few tecniques for removal. I run Ad-aware once a week after doing the online update to the definitions file and I find anywhere from 25-50 new malicious components -- for the most part, just cookies from blacklisted hosts. That combined with checking my task manager's running processes every so often to make sure there's nothing i don't recognize running. Prevention is the best defense as always, and the best tips I can give are: Enable preview for attachments in Outlook Express, and never Open them, save them to disk. When surfing websites, never click a windows pop-up box that gives you an Ok / Cancel choice or something like that -- malicious coders often spoof an approval to install something on your computer with such misleading dialogs. When those pop-up, use ALT-F4 to close it, without choosing either. And of course, make sure you are up to date with all the Windows XP / Explorer / Outlook security patches from Microsoft.com. - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, March 08, 2004 8:22 AM *Subject:* [SWCollect] Spyware I had a LOT of spyware on my computer as I've been using same drive/programs for a long time (like close to 100 spybots). If you'd like to check these sites are free (scan and REMOVE, many ask you to pay to remove). If anyone runs I'd be interested in hearing results (see if anyone has more than I did). I run both as spyware items are hard coded it seems, one might find some the other misses. http://www.safer-networking.org/ http://www.lavasoftusacom/ Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page http://members.aol.com/tommage/UltimaPage/ultima.htm -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
I have a personal firewall on my system, less of fear that someone might try to come in, but that something might try to phone home. For example, a couple of weeks ago I installed a friend's OCR software for testing and it installed a TSR along with it: even when the OCR program wasn't running, the freaking thing tried to contact its makers. The firewall also quarantines any suspicious mail attachments, but as mail client I use good ole' Navigator 4.54 anyway. Some of those attachments aim for weaknesses in OE, and my Navigator is simply too old to understand all that fancy stuff. A program I can wholeheartedly reccommend in this context is Robin Keir's K9, that uses a Bayes algorithm to weed out spam (and things like the important update from Microsoft alongs with it): http://www.keir.net/k9.html BTW, the hottest issue regarding those little malicious buggers around here in Germany were and are dialers - trojans that replace your normal internet connection without your knowledge with 0190 numbers (for you Americans: 1-900 numbers). For dial-up users this generated some hefty bills. The billing's done by the phone companies who own the lines and so they send all their might and lawyers after you, if you don't pay. They don't do that out of any unselfishness either, as a certain percentage of the generated income goes to them for providing the line. It has been until now that a higher court here in Germany decided that a user fooled that way must not pay and that the phone company cannot ask for more than what would have been generated through use of the normal internet connection. Is the rest of the world as ridden by those dialers as we are around here? Marco [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I had a LOT of spyware on my computer as I've been using same drive/programs for a long time (like close to 100 spybots). If you'd like to check these sites are free (scan and REMOVE, many ask you to pay to remove). If anyone runs I'd be interested in hearing results (see if anyone has more than I did). I run both as spyware items are hard coded it seems, one might find some the other misses. http://www.safer-networking.org/ http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Marco Thorek wrote: For example, a couple of weeks ago I installed a friend's OCR software for testing and it installed a TSR along with it: even when the OCR program wasn't running, the freaking thing tried to contact its makers. Yes, well, have you considered it was trying to look for a new/updated version of itself? :-) Not all phone home software is malicious. The firewall also quarantines any suspicious mail attachments, but as mail client I use good ole' Navigator 4.54 anyway. Some of those You should switch to Thunderbird. I finally did last year and it's great. attachments aim for weaknesses in OE, and my Navigator is simply too old to understand all that fancy stuff. Not true! In fact, your version has a documented vulnerability! A program I can wholeheartedly reccommend in this context is Robin Keir's K9, that uses a Bayes algorithm to weed out spam (and things like Yes, a Bayesian filter is built into Thunderbird. Is the rest of the world as ridden by those dialers as we are around here? No, that was a very old thing back in 1994-1996 and I don't think Americans have seen them since. Disclaimer: I *am* a security engineer during the day ;-) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Jim Leonard schrieb: Yes, well, have you considered it was trying to look for a new/updated version of itself? :-) Not all phone home software is malicious. Actually, no. I am probably getting a little paranoid. The firewall also quarantines any suspicious mail attachments, but as mail client I use good ole' Navigator 4.54 anyway. Some of those You should switch to Thunderbird. I finally did last year and it's great. Yeah, you are right. Thunderbird looks pretty neat. I don't seem to be able to find the info on its website, so I am asking you: Can you use it as a newsgroup reader and can I import my mails from Navigator to it? attachments aim for weaknesses in OE, and my Navigator is simply too old to understand all that fancy stuff. Not true! In fact, your version has a documented vulnerability! I certainly didn't know that. And, to be honest, I am still sticking to NN 4.54 less for security reasons but because I'm so used to it ;-) No, that was a very old thing back in 1994-1996 and I don't think Americans have seen them since. I hope we can soon say the same about Germany. How did the US get rid of them? Disclaimer: I *am* a security engineer during the day ;-) This list sure has some added benefits ;-) If I may ask: Who do you work for? Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[SWCollect] Spyware
I had a LOT of spyware on my computer as I've been using same drive/programs for a long time (like close to 100 spybots). If you'd like to check these sites are free (scan and REMOVE, many ask you to pay to remove). If anyone runs I'd be interested in hearing results (see if anyone has more than I did). I run both as spyware items are hard coded it seems, one might find some the other misses. http://www.safer-networking.org/ http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Tom, I've been using Ad-Aware (LavaSoft) for awhile now. The basic version is free and removes most known spyware. I run it about once a week. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a LOT of spyware on my computer as I've been using same drive/programs for a long time (like close to 100 spybots). If you'd like to check these sites are free (scan and REMOVE, many ask you to pay to remove). If anyone runs I'd be interested in hearing results (see if anyone has more than I did). I run both as spyware items are hard coded it seems, one might find some the other misses.http://www.safer-networking.org/http://www.lavasoftusa.com/TomVisit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Spyware is really common now in days - if you've had an active PC for a while, then suddenly decide to run these programs, yes, you are absolutely going to find a lot of stuff, from tracking cookies and dialers to memory resident programs hijacksyou didnt even know were starting at boot-up. I know first hand, since I'm the computer-savy one of the family, I've seen some seriously messed up computers, and it's gotten about 10 times as bad in the past 2 or 3 years. Ad-aware is the best thing you can do for it, combined with educating yourself on a few tecniques for removal. I run Ad-aware once a week after doing the online update to the definitions file and I find anywhere from 25-50 new malicious components -- for the most part, just cookies from blacklisted hosts. That combined with checking my task manager's running processes every so often to make sure there's nothing i don't recognize running. Prevention is the best defense as always, and the best tips I can give are: Enable preview for attachments in Outlook Express, and never Open them, save them to disk. When surfing websites, never click a windows pop-up box that gives you an Ok / Cancel choice or something like that -- malicious coders often spoof an approval to install something on your computer with such misleading dialogs. When those pop-up, use ALT-F4 to close it, without choosing either. And of course, make sure you are up to date with all the Windows XP / Explorer / Outlook security patches from Microsoft.com. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:22 AM Subject: [SWCollect] Spyware I had a LOT of spyware on my computer as I've been using same drive/programs for a long time (like close to 100 spybots). If you'd like to check these sites are free (scan and REMOVE, many ask you to pay to remove). If anyone runs I'd be interested in hearing results (see if anyone has more than I did). I run both as spyware items are hard coded it seems, one might find some the other misses.http://www.safer-networking.org/http://www.lavasoftusacom/TomVisit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
Dan Chisarick stated: And last, run a web browser (Mozilla, Safari, whatever) that has= integrated popup-blocking. Anything but IE. Spare yourself some pain before it starts. I can't argue against not using IE, except that some sites don't always work well with something else. I use the Google toolbar in IE, which now includes popup blocking. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Spyware
In a message dated 03/08/2004 7:48:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Spybot seek destroy is also excellent. A previous post had both links. You have to be careful with this one. Here's why, someone told me to get spybot. So I searched for it. Took me to site spybot.com (and came up first at google I think). But that site is NOT spybot!! Some people taking advantage of the good name. THEY make you PAY for the removal. Owner of the "real" spybot is trying to do something about it. So if you get something that asks you to pay, it is NOT the real spybot, I listed the true link earlier. Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
