Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
FYI: The Atari Ultima 1 auction you list would have passed my muster. I wonder if this was an original used as a template for his other fakes. The only thing I see in it that is odd is the the disk sleeve is the wrong generation for the games. The disk sleeve that comes with my wife's copy is the brown one with the old Sierra logo (the one where you can see the trees in front of the mountain). Also, the plastic tray that holds the disk and documentation and stiffens the box is missing. That was an original one, yes. I confirmed this by talking to the winner of the auction. Here's a larger picture: http://uw3.de/eyal/Dcp_0119.jpg That's some honest wear and tear a faker should find quite impossible to imitate. This picture was actually what got me suspicious in the first place, Eyal sending me the same image for the proposed trade that he used for the auction. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Edward Franks wrote: Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. :-D *nods* Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone from eBay's database shortly after. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. Anyone doing this already? - Original Message - From: Alexander Zoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Edward Franks wrote: Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. :-D *nods* Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone from eBay's database shortly after. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Not that I know of...and I'll bet eBay has a rule against it. You could probably post the information, but not a direct copy of the page itself. Hugh -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact;computergamecollector.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. Anyone doing this already? - Original Message - From: Alexander Zoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Edward Franks wrote: Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. :-D *nods* Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone from eBay's database shortly after. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Well if a website was created to do this, it would be pretty easy to process the info and re-present it in an acceptable form as far as ebay is concerned. - Original Message - From: Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Not that I know of...and I'll bet eBay has a rule against it. You could probably post the information, but not a direct copy of the page itself. Hugh -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact;computergamecollector.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. Anyone doing this already? - Original Message - From: Alexander Zoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Edward Franks wrote: Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. :-D *nods* Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone from eBay's database shortly after. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Sounds like a great idea...go for it! Be sure to include numerical data on desirable items: times sold on ebay (rarity), average sale price, etc. Of course, this would require a human eye to get it right. That would be a really useful site. Hugh -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact;computergamecollector.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Well if a website was created to do this, it would be pretty easy to process the info and re-present it in an acceptable form as far as ebay is concerned. - Original Message - From: Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Not that I know of...and I'll bet eBay has a rule against it. You could probably post the information, but not a direct copy of the page itself. Hugh -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact;computergamecollector.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. Anyone doing this already? - Original Message - From: Alexander Zoller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Edward Franks wrote: Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. :-D *nods* Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone from eBay's database shortly after. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
All I did for my pages was create Excel spreadsheets for date, auction number, winning bid, and notes. I used the notes to record details on unusual auctions (like shrinkwrapped/new items or what was missing from an incomplete auction figure), but didn't make any exceptions for those in calculating averages and such. A more automated method might be to use a scripting language to do the search, record the details in a database, then have a human delete inappropriate matches. That would guarantee only the most poorly-listed items would be overlooked. You'd have to search about 3 times a week to ensure no 3-day auctions would be overlooked. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 08:50 PM, C.E. Forman wrote: New Shoppe column: http://www.if-legends.org/~yois/column.php?column_date=2002-11-08 Everybody interested in preserving the integrity of this hobby ought to read this, to see what we're up against. Thank you for being willing to stand up and say what you said. Many people wouldn't because they'd be afraid of potential lawsuits. FYI: The Atari Ultima 1 auction you list would have passed my muster. I wonder if this was an original used as a template for his other fakes. The only thing I see in it that is odd is the the disk sleeve is the wrong generation for the games. The disk sleeve that comes with my wife's copy is the brown one with the old Sierra logo (the one where you can see the trees in front of the mountain). Also, the plastic tray that holds the disk and documentation and stiffens the box is missing. -- Edward Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect;oldskool.org/
