Re: [swift-users] Re-initializing lazy vars

[Joanna Carter via swift-users]

Oops! forgot to add example code for resetting with non-optional public var :

public struct TestStruct
{
  private var _description: String?
  
  public var description: String
  {
get
{
  return _description ?? ""
}
set
{
  _description = newValue
}
  }
  
  mutating func resetDescription()
  {
_description = nil
  }
}

Joanna

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Re: [swift-users] Re-initializing lazy vars

[Joanna Carter via swift-users]

> It just seems so obvious to create-if-nil, and makes it nice to reset stuff 
> that should be re-created. In my case, after my NSURLSession gets 
> invalidated, I wanted to set the property to nil, and next time a session was 
> needed, it would just get created.

The only thing I would query with the whole concept of resetting an implicitly 
unwrapped optional var is, with a simple example struct :

public struct TestStruct
{
  private var _description: String?
  
  public var description: String!
  {
get
{
  return _description ?? ""
}
set
{
  _description = newValue
}
  }
}

… test code would be :

  {
var test = TestStruct()

test.description = nil

let str: String = test.description
  }

The idea of setting a var to nil and then getting a valid object back seems a 
bit anachronistic.

I think I would rather add an explicit "reset" method.

Joanna

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Re: [swift-users] Re-initializing lazy vars

[Rick Mann via swift-users]

It just seems so obvious to create-if-nil, and makes it nice to reset stuff 
that should be re-created. In my case, after my NSURLSession gets invalidated, 
I wanted to set the property to nil, and next time a session was needed, it 
would just get created.

Sure, I can implement this myself, but ugh. 

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> On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:58, Jordan Rose  wrote:
> 
> It's not directly related to property behaviors. It was a bug that only 
> worked with ImplicitlyUnwrappedOptional properties; we patched the type 
> checker bug that led to it being allowed and didn't even notice until someone 
> brought it up (SR-5172).
> 
> It would be possible to introduce this as an actual language feature even 
> without the full property behaviors model, but we wouldn't want to just spell 
> it 'lazy'. Maybe 'lazy_resettable' or something. And even though I say this, 
> it's probably unlikely that such a proposal would get through swift-evolution 
> in the Swift 5 timeframe.
> 
> Meanwhile, it's always possible to implement it by hand, though I can see how 
> that'd be annoying if you were relying on this and previously got it with a 
> single '!'.
> 
> class LazyResettableTest {
>   private func fooInitial() -> String { return "initial value" }
>   private var fooStorage: String?
>   var foo: String! {
> get {
>   if fooStorage == nil { fooStorage = fooInitial() }
>   return fooStorage
> }
> set {
>   fooStorage = newValue
> }
>   }
> }
> 
> Jordan
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:59, David Sweeris via swift-users 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know. IIRC (big if), though, there was talk of adding support for 
>> "property behaviors"(?). Resetting lazy vars probably would've been one of 
>> them, and if so, it probably got pulled so that we wouldn't risk breaking 
>> source compatibility later by adding a consistent syntax for other 
>> behaviors. I think. I wish I could remember who'd brought up the idea... 
>> they'd probably know straight away if that's what happened.
>> 
>> - Dave Sweeris
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 5:40 PM, Rick Mann via swift-users 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Googling for the answer, it seemed some versions of Swift supported setting 
>>> a lazy var property to nil, such that the next time it's accessed, the 
>>> initializer would be run again.
>>> 
>>> But I just tried this in a playground in Swift 4 and it doesn't work.
>>> 
>>> It sure seems to me like it should work. What's the reasoning for the 
>>> current behavior?
>>> 
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Re: [swift-users] Re-initializing lazy vars

[Jordan Rose via swift-users]

It's not directly related to property behaviors. It was a bug that only worked 
with ImplicitlyUnwrappedOptional properties; we patched the type checker bug 
that led to it being allowed and didn't even notice until someone brought it up 
(SR-5172 ).

It would be possible to introduce this as an actual language feature even 
without the full property behaviors model, but we wouldn't want to just spell 
it 'lazy'. Maybe 'lazy_resettable' or something. And even though I say this, 
it's probably unlikely that such a proposal would get through swift-evolution 
in the Swift 5 timeframe.

Meanwhile, it's always possible to implement it by hand, though I can see how 
that'd be annoying if you were relying on this and previously got it with a 
single '!'.

class LazyResettableTest {
  private func fooInitial() -> String { return "initial value" }
  private var fooStorage: String?
  var foo: String! {
get {
  if fooStorage == nil { fooStorage = fooInitial() }
  return fooStorage
}
set {
  fooStorage = newValue
}
  }
}

Jordan


> On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:59, David Sweeris via swift-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know. IIRC (big if), though, there was talk of adding support for 
> "property behaviors"(?). Resetting lazy vars probably would've been one of 
> them, and if so, it probably got pulled so that we wouldn't risk breaking 
> source compatibility later by adding a consistent syntax for other behaviors. 
> I think. I wish I could remember who'd brought up the idea... they'd probably 
> know straight away if that's what happened.
> 
> - Dave Sweeris
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 5:40 PM, Rick Mann via swift-users 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Googling for the answer, it seemed some versions of Swift supported setting 
>> a lazy var property to nil, such that the next time it's accessed, the 
>> initializer would be run again.
>> 
>> But I just tried this in a playground in Swift 4 and it doesn't work.
>> 
>> It sure seems to me like it should work. What's the reasoning for the 
>> current behavior?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Rick Mann
>> rm...@latencyzero.com
>> 
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Re: [swift-users] Re-initializing lazy vars

[David Sweeris via swift-users]

I don't know. IIRC (big if), though, there was talk of adding support for 
"property behaviors"(?). Resetting lazy vars probably would've been one of 
them, and if so, it probably got pulled so that we wouldn't risk breaking 
source compatibility later by adding a consistent syntax for other behaviors. I 
think. I wish I could remember who'd brought up the idea... they'd probably 
know straight away if that's what happened.

- Dave Sweeris

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 5:40 PM, Rick Mann via swift-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Googling for the answer, it seemed some versions of Swift supported setting a 
> lazy var property to nil, such that the next time it's accessed, the 
> initializer would be run again.
> 
> But I just tried this in a playground in Swift 4 and it doesn't work.
> 
> It sure seems to me like it should work. What's the reasoning for the current 
> behavior?
> 
> -- 
> Rick Mann
> rm...@latencyzero.com
> 
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[swift-users] Re-initializing lazy vars

[Rick Mann via swift-users]

Googling for the answer, it seemed some versions of Swift supported setting a 
lazy var property to nil, such that the next time it's accessed, the 
initializer would be run again.

But I just tried this in a playground in Swift 4 and it doesn't work.

It sure seems to me like it should work. What's the reasoning for the current 
behavior?

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