RE: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
hi sam some weeks/months ago we all got a nice letter (little booklet) from billag which explained the whole stuff. unfortunately i haven't got it at home. but they say that a broadband connection and windows pc with media player (or anything similar) can act as a radio and therefore you'll have to pay. but anyway: do you got a car? does this car has a radio? if yes: you have to pay anyway ;-)) maybe you can take the billag then on expenses ;-)) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of samuel clakre Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:02 PM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home ! Hi all, Sorry for my english ! Yesterday evening I had the visit of Billag AG at home. I have neither TV ,radios. I have just ADSL. I say to him that some time I to listen to the radios on the Internet. Cost it wanted to make me pay the royalty for the radios. Because I had a broad-band connection and a PC!!! I shine request papers official on what it wanted to tax me, it unfortunately had anything on him has to present to me. 3 slanging match after ! I say to him that when www.couleur3.ch is typed I have the radios without anything asked and without warned that I must pay billag to listen. It is to retract in me say that I had the subscription that it thought. It thought that I had the subscription of bluewin Internet + radios. Who has a url with these law of billag?? Regards sam -- Samuel Clarke _ Cortex ISP S.A. Rue Alexandre-Gavard 16 CH - 1227 Carouge Tel : 0844 CORTEX (0844 267 839) Fax : +4122 307 78 11 http://www.cortex.ch ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
Since begin of the 2005, you must pay billag Radio too, if you can receive any Radioprogramms by streeming. 2nd thing. You must paying the billag if you have installed a Version of Mediaplayer, which can receiving any Steamings This is the newst thin... Also new is If you have installed a version which can you receive Videosteams you must paying Billag for TV receiving... 14 days ago the Billag has send the new Version for TV receiptions. You mustn't pay if you have a Firewall, wich are the Steaming Ports blocked -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von samuel clakre Gesendet: Freitag, 22. April 2005 15:02 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home ! Hi all, Sorry for my english ! Yesterday evening I had the visit of Billag AG at home. I have neither TV ,radios. I have just ADSL. I say to him that some time I to listen to the radios on the Internet. Cost it wanted to make me pay the royalty for the radios. Because I had a broad-band connection and a PC!!! I shine request papers official on what it wanted to tax me, it unfortunately had anything on him has to present to me. 3 slanging match after ! I say to him that when www.couleur3.ch is typed I have the radios without anything asked and without warned that I must pay billag to listen. It is to retract in me say that I had the subscription that it thought. It thought that I had the subscription of bluewin Internet + radios. Who has a url with these law of billag?? Regards sam ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
Hi steven I do not have a car! I same dismounted the tunner of my hifi for not the pays. But it to abonement seek the person who one it of bluewin with the radois ! sam Le vendredi 22 avril 2005 15:05 +0200, Steven Glogger a crit : hi sam some weeks/months ago we all got a nice letter (little booklet) from billag which explained the whole stuff. unfortunately i haven't got it at home. but they say that a broadband connection and windows pc with media player (or anything similar) can act as a radio and therefore you'll have to pay. but anyway: do you got a car? does this car has a radio? if yes: you have to pay anyway ;-)) maybe you can take the billag then on expenses ;-)) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of samuel clakre Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:02 PM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home ! Hi all, Sorry for my english ! Yesterday evening I had the visit of Billag AG at home. I have neither TV ,radios. I have just ADSL. I say to him that some time I to listen to the radios on the Internet. Cost it wanted to make me pay the royalty for the radios. Because I had a broad-band connection and a PC!!! I shine request papers official on what it wanted to tax me, it unfortunately had anything on him has to present to me. 3 slanging match after ! I say to him that when www.couleur3.ch is typed I have the radios without anything asked and without warned that I must pay billag to listen. It is to retract in me say that I had the subscription that it thought. It thought that I had the subscription of bluewin Internet + radios. Who has a url with these law of billag?? Regards sam -- Samuel Clarke _ Cortex ISP S.A. Rue Alexandre-Gavard 16 CH - 1227 Carouge Tel : 0844 CORTEX (0844 267 839) Fax : +4122 307 78 11 http://www.cortex.ch ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
Samuel: The Federal Office of Communications (OFCOM; in German BAKOM) has changed the rules after the beginning of this year. Now PCs with a broadband connection are treated as radio receivers (see http://www.bakom.ch/en/radio_tv/gebuehren/grundlagen/radio_fernsehgeraete/index.html). Billag is only in charge of charging. The law (which is the Radio- und Fernsehverordnung vom 6. Oktober 1997 (RTVV) http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/c784_401.html) says, you have to pay as soon as you have a deveice that is capable of receiving radio or tv programmes (and not whether you actually do it!). Regards, Juerg Reimann -- jradio.ch St. Jakobstrasse 39 CH-8004 Zrich +41 43 544 07 70 business card: http://jradio.ch/contact/ security keys: http://jradio.ch/pubkeys/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of samuel clakre Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:02 PM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home ! Hi all, Sorry for my english ! Yesterday evening I had the visit of Billag AG at home. I have neither TV ,radios. I have just ADSL. I say to him that some time I to listen to the radios on the Internet. Cost it wanted to make me pay the royalty for the radios. Because I had a broad-band connection and a PC!!! I shine request papers official on what it wanted to tax me, it unfortunately had anything on him has to present to me. 3 slanging match after ! I say to him that when www.couleur3.ch is typed I have the radios without anything asked and without warned that I must pay billag to listen. It is to retract in me say that I had the subscription that it thought. It thought that I had the subscription of bluewin Internet + radios. Who has a url with these law of billag?? Regards sam -- Samuel Clarke _ Cortex ISP S.A. Rue Alexandre-Gavard 16 CH - 1227 Carouge Tel : 0844 CORTEX (0844 267 839) Fax : +4122 307 78 11 http://www.cortex.ch ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
Hi, As I can remember Sam hasn't got a car :) I own a car and didn't plugged the antenna so I m unable to receive any FM Radio and so on. My building hasn't any antenna connection to cable or whatever. But I'm lucky, I towed the guys from Billag a long time ago, and I guess i still have the mail where they told me I wasn't in the need to pay. But that was in fact before that * stupid addition * (my 2 cents ;) ) regarding the broadband access. Maybe telling billag you have a pc, but have no microsoft or userfriendly software and any media viewer, as you are using your internet connection only for professional matters (as monitoring etc) could work. The fact is, Nul n'est sens ignorer la loi , but c'est tellement marrant de jouer avec la loi quand on y arrive :) (yeah I'm getting low cost, 1,5 cents for that one only) Gimme a ring, or meet me for a beer if you have anymore question about that ... BTW everything must be on the billag website, and I can remember we disscussed that some time ago on the list. Cheers. Will. Steven Glogger wrote: hi sam some weeks/months ago we all got a nice letter (little booklet) from billag which explained the whole stuff. unfortunately i haven't got it at home. but they say that a broadband connection and windows pc with media player (or anything similar) can act as a radio and therefore you'll have to pay. but anyway: do you got a car? does this car has a radio? if yes: you have to pay anyway ;-)) maybe you can take the billag then on expenses ;-)) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of samuel clakre Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:02 PM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home ! Hi all, Sorry for my english ! Yesterday evening I had the visit of Billag AG at home. I have neither TV ,radios. I have just ADSL. I say to him that some time I to listen to the radios on the Internet. Cost it wanted to make me pay the royalty for the radios. Because I had a broad-band connection and a PC!!! I shine request papers official on what it wanted to tax me, it unfortunately had anything on him has to present to me. 3 slanging match after ! I say to him that when www.couleur3.ch is typed I have the radios without anything asked and without warned that I must pay billag to listen. It is to retract in me say that I had the subscription that it thought. It thought that I had the subscription of bluewin Internet + radios. Who has a url with these law of billag?? Regards sam -- Samuel Clarke _ Cortex ISP S.A. Rue Alexandre-Gavard 16 CH - 1227 Carouge Tel : 0844 CORTEX (0844 267 839) Fax : +4122 307 78 11 http://www.cortex.ch ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog -- -- [ PorCus le Nain ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ http://www.porcus.ch ] ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
hi Am 22.04.2005 um 15:05 schrieb Steven Glogger: some weeks/months ago we all got a nice letter (little booklet) from billag which explained the whole stuff. unfortunately i haven't got it at home. yes, and some days later they have to correct it. discussion: http://www.symlink.ch/search.pl?query=billag more info: http://www.tagi.ch/dyn/news/wirtschaft/455662.html http://www.newsbyte.ch/start.cfm? gruppe=NEWSrubrik=allestartid=65525action=1 http://www.billag.com/ratv/de/news/details.php?id=571 cheers reto ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
The fact is, Nul n'est sens ignorer la loi , In fact, this doesn't exist in Switzerland. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
Wooups. So this is only a french thing ? Does this means that, as long as your unaware of the fact you should be paying Billag for a broadband access, you're not in a illegal situation ? I have to re-read all those documentation sent. Thanks for the links guys, I was missing a lot of content about that subject. Pascal Gloor wrote: The fact is, Nul n'est sens ignorer la loi , In fact, this doesn't exist in Switzerland. ___ -- -- [ PorCus le Nain ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [ http://www.porcus.ch ] ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
Hey that's actually not a bad idea. I'm not a lawyer, but in my mind, making networked computers and similar devices (cell phones with radios?) part of the scope of the Billag thing, they might be creating a legal precedent. Have any of the ISPs ever thought of actually getting together and saying hey, guys, we're providing part of this 'service public' if you're going to tax computers on networks as well, so we should get our share of the Billag money? A similar question: do the cable tv network providers get any of this money? Just curious. Because what's happening is you're taxing customers of service 'x' with Mwst., then taxing them again with a third party tax which then goes to service 'y' (SF DRS, etc.) Sounds like something for the WeKo :) -John Chris Burri wrote: Futhermore, if receiving streams must be taxed because of service public, then lille ole Swisserland should start pouring money into ISPs here, pronto! After all, they're the ones *enabling* this service public. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] swisscom down ;o)
|Ausserdem wurden vermutlich nur Frühaufsteher mit dem Ausfall |konfrontiert, da dieser zwischen fünf und sieben Uhr morgens |aufgetreten war. (For our french friends: the problem was from 0500 to 0700) what at five?!? i have been waked up at a very earlier: dr3.htzrh Online-UsersWARNING 22-04-2005 04:40:58 but at 00:46 we got increasing numbers on our LNS. -steven ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Visit of Billag AG at home !
On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 15:20 +0200, Willy van Gulik wrote: [...] I own a car and didn't plugged the antenna so I m unable to receive any FM Radio and so on. My building hasn't any antenna connection to cable or whatever. [...] Sorry, this might be fully OT, but never mind. Let's back up the whole 'Billag' thing. About 60% has got and/or: - radio receivers in the house or in the car or incl in the handy - tv receivers (incl. UMTS handy receivers) - broadband access with installed media players So there might be around 2-5% of swiss households who doesn't have any media receivers according to the actual law. In early days there had been more, ok, but their getting fewer and fewer (also because more and more receivers are taxable). So why don't we/they stop the whole thing and make everyone liable to pay those taxes? We could safe much administration expense, e.g. all the wages of those ppl who are checking our hoseholds. And this will finally lower those taxes and make them affordable for everyone. Any drawback? This will raise the unemployment. Just an idea... Have a nice weekend - Dan ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
