Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking
On the Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 06:32:21PM +0200, Fredy Kuenzler blubbered: Hoi. > Full Ack. After this letter arrived, I wrote a blog entry: > http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/444-Kampagne-Stopp-Kinderpornografie-im-Internet!-Das-Ross-wird-am-Schwanz-aufgezaeumt.html > > Few days later I got a call from the journalist of SF who did the report > in 10vor10. Means: the journalist was perfectly aware of all the > technical and political issues in this case, but he masked out it > completly. IMHO a bad job, 10vor10. Bad, probably. Maybe they feared it getting out of hand. Explaining things like DNS, IP addresses and virtual hosts in a few minutes so that Joe User understands might not be that easy. On the other hand though, that's the problem with nearly every computer related topic today. They could at least have mentioned that it is very easy for a halfway skilled computer user to circumvent these blocking attempts of the providers though. CU, Venty -- Martin Ebnöther, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.semmel.ch/ Videogamer, Techno Musician, Gourmet, R-Typer, Beer drinker, Lefty Symlinker, Playstationeer, Chilihead, Honda driver, Paranoia GM This space for rent. Call 0800-Semmel-Ads ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking
Title: Converted from Rich Text Blocking is as well political activism as nonsense, as long as many of the childporn-sellers set up as many as 20 sites a day on yahoo. These sites are pointing on perfectly legal sites on which one can make a payment for receiving a password which enables user to get into a p2p-network where the cp-material is distributed. Furthermore: ISPs would have to update the list all day and night - a neverending job. And as long as some police departments in some other countries are setting up cp-sites as a trap and therefore are actively distributing child pornography, the whole "plan of action" as described in TV becomes pretty weird. Are elections soon? But anyway, if Cablecom _really_ wants to block all these sites, the responsible guy may contact me off-list. I'll be glad to send him may daily harvest of cp-addresses :-p guido Ursprüngliche Mitteilung Betreff: Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking Autor: Fredy Kuenzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: 22. Juli 2006 18.32.21 Michel Renfer schrieb:> There were a few approches until now, already with low success or > technical implications (other sites also blocked, etc.)> > The discussion now happend on society level. Any bigger ISP will > never offically reject such blocking requests for child pornography > in a tv interview as this can hardly hit their image in the public.> > The technical questions of the blocking are completly fadet out. They> didn't really care anyone. Blocking can and will definitivly not > work. Endusers can implement workarrounds in less than a minute.> Other questions like, who's maintaining the list etc. are not even> discussed.> > I'm really concerned about the way that this story will/ can go... Full Ack. After this letter arrived, I wrote a blog entry:http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/444-Kampagne-Stopp-Kinderpornografie-im-Internet!-Das-Ross-wird-am-Schwanz-aufgezaeumt.html Few days later I got a call from the journalist of SF who did the reportin 10vor10. Means: the journalist was perfectly aware of all thetechnical and political issues in this case, but he masked out it completly. IMHO a bad job, 10vor10. F.___swinog mailing listswinog@lists.swinog.chhttp://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking
Michel Renfer schrieb: There were a few approches until now, already with low success or technical implications (other sites also blocked, etc.) The discussion now happend on society level. Any bigger ISP will never offically reject such blocking requests for child pornography in a tv interview as this can hardly hit their image in the public. The technical questions of the blocking are completly fadet out. They didn't really care anyone. Blocking can and will definitivly not work. Endusers can implement workarrounds in less than a minute. Other questions like, who's maintaining the list etc. are not even discussed. I'm really concerned about the way that this story will/ can go... Full Ack. After this letter arrived, I wrote a blog entry: http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/444-Kampagne-Stopp-Kinderpornografie-im-Internet!-Das-Ross-wird-am-Schwanz-aufgezaeumt.html Few days later I got a call from the journalist of SF who did the report in 10vor10. Means: the journalist was perfectly aware of all the technical and political issues in this case, but he masked out it completly. IMHO a bad job, 10vor10. F. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking
I think the you can only block this pages when they are blocked by arin.net else. it's now way to block it realy. In the clip they have written all providers will be written. I know that some providers hasn't receive this letter. Greetings X. Aerni - Original Message - From: "Benoit Panizzon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking I saw it too. I was quite surprised as we got this letter too and were asking ourself how to block such sites technically. I must confess, we did not find any faisible solution. => Blocking the IP-Addresses of the sites. Affecting many other sites hosted on an affected ISP. Many ways to dodge those blockings by means of open proxies on other networks or even using sixxs net via ipv6. => Redirecting all traffic to port 80 via a transparent proxy. Breaks many applications like NTLM Authentication etc. Easy to dodge by the same technique as mentioned above. Still the best way is to notify the affected ISP that they host Child-Porn. I don't think they know about it. If they do, notify their uplinks. I guess they would get disconnected rather quickly. -Benoit- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking
I saw it too. I was quite surprised as we got this letter too and were asking ourself how to block such sites technically. I must confess, we did not find any faisible solution. => Blocking the IP-Addresses of the sites. Affecting many other sites hosted on an affected ISP. Many ways to dodge those blockings by means of open proxies on other networks or even using sixxs net via ipv6. => Redirecting all traffic to port 80 via a transparent proxy. Breaks many applications like NTLM Authentication etc. Easy to dodge by the same technique as mentioned above. Still the best way is to notify the affected ISP that they host Child-Porn. I don't think they know about it. If they do, notify their uplinks. I guess they would get disconnected rather quickly. -Benoit- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] Preventive blocking
There were a few approches until now, already with low success or technical implications (other sites also blocked, etc.) The discussion now happend on society level. Any bigger ISP will never offically reject such blocking requests for child pornography in a tv interview as this can hardly hit their image in the public. The technical questions of the blocking are completly fadet out. They didn't really care anyone. Blocking can and will definitivly not work. Endusers can implement workarrounds in less than a minute. Other questions like, who's maintaining the list etc. are not even discussed. I'm really concerned about the way that this story will/ can go... cheers, michel ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking
Michel Renfer wrote: Anyone saw the "10vor10" -report about blocking access to child pornographic sites yesterday evening? I'm really surprised, that bigger ISPs like Cablecom now would support that. Interesting is also the statement, that smaller ISPs already confirmed their support for this "preventive blocking"... I think this started here in CH in about 1996 or 1997 - we used to get lists regularly of sites to block. The lists had at the time about 20 or 30 sites - looks like it's grown quite a lot since then. They used to be mostly sites with political speech that most European governments find offensive. -- Mickey Coggins Tel: +41-79-210-3762 ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] Preventive blocking
Hi All Anyone saw the "10vor10" -report about blocking access to child pornographic sites yesterday evening? I'm really surprised, that bigger ISPs like Cablecom now would support that. Interesting is also the statement, that smaller ISPs already confirmed their support for this "preventive blocking"... Article on SWISSTXT: http://www.swisstxt.ch/SF1/114-00.html 10vor10 Report: http://www.sf.tv/var/videoplayer.php?videourl=http%3A%2F%2Freal.sri.ch%2 Framgen%2Fsfdrs%2F10vor10%2F2006%2F10vor10_21072006.rm%3Fstart%3D0%3A14% 3A27.159%26amp%3Bend%3D0%3A17%3A33.736 cheers, michel ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
