Re: [swinog] Telegram group
... and he immediately started censoring it... > Am 14.02.2020 um 09:00 schrieb Viktor Steinmann : > > Whow, just whow > > After years of this mailing list slowly rotting away, someone takes an > approach and tries to give back life to the group. > > And now suddenly, people are crawling from beneath their rocks and have much > better ideas, on how this could have been done all along. > > Crawl back under your rock, please. You had all the time in the world to do > something and didn't. > > I applaud Max for his initiative. > > Cheers, > > Viktor > > > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
Whow, just whow After years of this mailing list slowly rotting away, someone takes an approach and tries to give back life to the group. And now suddenly, people are crawling from beneath their rocks and have much better ideas, on how this could have been done all along. Crawl back under your rock, please. You had all the time in the world to do something and didn't. I applaud Max for his initiative. Cheers, Viktor ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
Hello, I usually remain silent and read interesting threads but on this topic I would like to express a few things. I'm part of those to conceive Internet concepts such as distributed and federated protocols as the core values of the system. I also think it has become very important to fight for data ownership design concepts and interoperability, key to Internet, but seriously in danger. In these perspectives, I can only support free software projects, and encourage decentralized and distributed schemes. I am not surprised to see people arguing for either Telegram, Signal, you-name-it. This is the failure of messaging apps to be interoperable. Early protocols such as IRC, and best example, SMTP was meant with interop goal first. XMPP is good protocol set to try to provide a generic messaging system. Lots of clients and servers exists and each server can interconnect, and each client can connect to any server they can register with. Matrix is very interesting, while I think, as a modern comm protocol it should require e2ee by default. I won't argue for a specific project or protocol, but I would like to express that I wish people favor interop, decentralized, and help supporting such Internet strengh. -- |_|0|_| julien Mabillard |_|_|0| OpenPGP 1E47 513E 8B00 8BC5 E874 23E4 54A4 32FB 260A 2D41 |0|0|0| xmpp/omemo: j...@tls.mbuf.net ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
> Is there an IOS/Apple app for IRC that acts like an messenger app? (eg > persistant connection)? There is, but it's probably not quite what you were expecting: ZNC Pair that with a regular IRC client and you're good to go. Suggestion: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/palaver-irc/id538073623 And yes, this is exactly what you'd have been doing when you wanted a persistent IRC connection on *any* system: Use an IRC bouncer. Even if that bouncer is just a screen or a tmux session on a shell server. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
Hi, On 13/02/2020 21:24, Nico Schottelius wrote: > 1) I fully understand Massimiliano's approach to "just do it" and not to >think too much about the medium I couldn't have said it better. Everyone has his/her own favourite messaging app/system, and unfortunately we can't make everyone happy. I picked telegram because that's where I already participate in a series of other groups ranging from a handful of people up to a couple of them with around a thousand people, and it works. It has its ups and downs, but in general it does its job. Ciao! -- Massimiliano Stucchi MS16801-RIPE Twitter/Telegram: @stucchimax signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
You should not have created this group when you censor it. You are behaving like a childish dictator. > Am 11.02.2020 um 18:52 schrieb Massimiliano Stucchi : > > > Hi everyone, > > I created a telegram group for Swinog. It is meant to be a place to > have discussions that are more informal than what you could have on the > mailing list or simply for something more interactive. > > The link to join is https://t.me/SWINOG > > I've created a similar group for ITNOG almost two years ago and it > proved to be a good initiative, now with about 450 members and with > daily discussion on different topics. Maybe we can make it happen also > for Swinog. > > Keep in mind this is just a personal initiative and not an official one > from Swinog. If it works out and it's positive, we'll see if we can > make it more official. > > If you have any question or comment, please feel free to approach me. > > Ciao! > -- > Massimiliano Stucchi > MS16801-RIPE > Twitter/Telegram: @stucchimax > > > > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
Is there an IOS/Apple app for IRC that acts like an messenger app? (eg persistant connection)? gruss -steven > Am 13.02.2020 um 21:35 schrieb Nico Schottelius > : > > > Hello .*, > > I was waiting for the chat system discussion to start, > it's good that we IT communities are so predictable :-). > > My 4.99 rounded Rappen: > > 1) I fully understand Massimiliano's approach to "just do it" and not to > think too much about the medium > 2) IRC has the "disconnect/no history issue" > 3) If I was to have an opinion on a chat system (hehe) I'd say we should > go with matrix, as it is IRC with > history+images+end-to-end-encryption, > however I might not have an opinion here > 4) I'm waiting for the person pointing out XMPP is the same principle > 5) There is matterbridge [0] which we heavily use at ungleich, which can > bridge almost anything to anything. In case we want to bridge irc to > telegram to matrix to xmpp to slack and whatsapp, it's an easy thing > to do. > > Simon, you made my evening! > > Best regards, > > Nico > > [0] https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge > > p.s.: This email was written in emacs. > pps: https://xkcd.com/1782/ > > Simon Leinen writes: > >> Ralph Krämer writes: >>> why telegram and not signal or threema? >> >> Why not all! And fivema and sixma as well!! >> >> Seriously, what was wrong with irc.swinog.ch? >> >> Is IRC considered a boomer thing that millenials won't touch? >> >> Just curious - I'm happy to follow everyone everywhere, but not >> everybody does, and I worry about fragmenting the community. >> >> Cheers, > > > -- > Modern, affordable, Swiss Virtual Machines. Visit www.datacenterlight.ch > > > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
Hello .*, I was waiting for the chat system discussion to start, it's good that we IT communities are so predictable :-). My 4.99 rounded Rappen: 1) I fully understand Massimiliano's approach to "just do it" and not to think too much about the medium 2) IRC has the "disconnect/no history issue" 3) If I was to have an opinion on a chat system (hehe) I'd say we should go with matrix, as it is IRC with history+images+end-to-end-encryption, however I might not have an opinion here 4) I'm waiting for the person pointing out XMPP is the same principle 5) There is matterbridge [0] which we heavily use at ungleich, which can bridge almost anything to anything. In case we want to bridge irc to telegram to matrix to xmpp to slack and whatsapp, it's an easy thing to do. Simon, you made my evening! Best regards, Nico [0] https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge p.s.: This email was written in emacs. pps: https://xkcd.com/1782/ Simon Leinen writes: > Ralph Krämer writes: >> why telegram and not signal or threema? > > Why not all! And fivema and sixma as well!! > > Seriously, what was wrong with irc.swinog.ch? > > Is IRC considered a boomer thing that millenials won't touch? > > Just curious - I'm happy to follow everyone everywhere, but not > everybody does, and I worry about fragmenting the community. > > Cheers, -- Modern, affordable, Swiss Virtual Machines. Visit www.datacenterlight.ch ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Telegram group
Ralph Krämer writes: > why telegram and not signal or threema? Why not all! And fivema and sixma as well!! Seriously, what was wrong with irc.swinog.ch? Is IRC considered a boomer thing that millenials won't touch? Just curious - I'm happy to follow everyone everywhere, but not everybody does, and I worry about fragmenting the community. Cheers, -- Simon. > - Am 11. Feb 2020 um 17:46 schrieb Massimiliano Stucchi m...@stucchi.ch: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I created a telegram group for Swinog. It is meant to be a place to >> have discussions that are more informal than what you could have on the >> mailing list or simply for something more interactive. >> >> The link to join is https://t.me/SWINOG >> >> I've created a similar group for ITNOG almost two years ago and it >> proved to be a good initiative, now with about 450 members and with >> daily discussion on different topics. Maybe we can make it happen also >> for Swinog. >> >> Keep in mind this is just a personal initiative and not an official one >> from Swinog. If it works out and it's positive, we'll see if we can >> make it more official. >> >> If you have any question or comment, please feel free to approach me. >> >> Ciao! >> -- >> Massimiliano Stucchi >> MS16801-RIPE >> Twitter/Telegram: @stucchimax >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> swinog mailing list >> swinog@lists.swinog.ch >> http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] Any Green.ch DNS Admin on this list?
Hi List To migrate a couple of DNS Zones from green to another DNS operator. I need the zone files. I am giving up on the green customer service. So if a green tech with access to the zone files (as raw as possible, for example extracted by 'dig AXRF') is reading this, please contact me off-list. Mit freundlichen Grüssen -Benoît Panizzon- -- I m p r o W a r e A G-Leiter Commerce Kunden __ Zurlindenstrasse 29 Tel +41 61 826 93 00 CH-4133 PrattelnFax +41 61 826 93 01 Schweiz Web http://www.imp.ch __ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
