Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
i've developed our own tool in cybernet/swisscom for this since all the open source tools were to unhandy or buggy. currently i'm adding RIPE support to it and maybe i'll publish it as open source ,-) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthias Cramer Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:21 AM To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] IP Management Tool Hi I'm looking for a new IP-Management tool. Currently we are using IPPlan, which does mainly what we like, but is not very easy to use. What we like to do: - IPv4 Subnet Allocation to Customers - IPv6 Subnet Allocation to Customers - Single IP documentation within Subnets - See free Space - See usage ratio of Subnets and Blocks - Export for RIPE database would be nice Does somebody of you use something like this or can recommend a tool. Regards Matthias -- Matthias Cramer / mc322-ripe System Network Manager Interway Communication GmbHPhone +41 43 500 Josefstrasse 225 Fax +41 44 271 3535 CH-8005 Zürich http://www.interway.ch/ GnuPG 1024D/2D208250 = DBC6 65B6 7083 1029 781E 3959 B62F DF1C 2D20 8250 ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
Hi Matthias, hi all, I've searched something like this during years at VTX and finally we develop internally our own tool. I've also tried NorthStar in the past with Nicolas Strina. It's an open source project but there was a lot of bugs and the project seems abandoned... So, I can't help you, sorry. But I'm still interested if anybody knows something working well. :) Regards, Jerome Jerome Tissieres - Senior Network Administrator Tel: +41 21 618 03 77 Fax: +41 21 618 07 07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMD Ch. de Bellerive 23, P.O. Box 915 CH - 1001 Lausanne, Switzerland www.imd.ch P please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:swinog- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthias Cramer Sent: 13 November 2008 11:21 To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] IP Management Tool Hi I'm looking for a new IP-Management tool. Currently we are using IPPlan, which does mainly what we like, but is not very easy to use. What we like to do: - IPv4 Subnet Allocation to Customers - IPv6 Subnet Allocation to Customers - Single IP documentation within Subnets - See free Space - See usage ratio of Subnets and Blocks - Export for RIPE database would be nice Does somebody of you use something like this or can recommend a tool. Regards Matthias -- Matthias Cramer / mc322-ripe System Network Manager Interway Communication GmbHPhone +41 43 500 Josefstrasse 225 Fax +41 44 271 3535 CH-8005 Zürich http://www.interway.ch/ GnuPG 1024D/2D208250 = DBC6 65B6 7083 1029 781E 3959 B62F DF1C 2D20 8250 ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
I cannot speak for all, but as for us, we want to manage ALL IPs in one tool - even the RFC1918 IPs for internal use. Kind regards, Viktor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Theurl Sent: Donnerstag, 13. November 2008 11:43 To: Matthias Cramer; swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool why not to use the whois database from ripe ? http://www.ripe.net/db/cvs-bugzilla.html scalable, stable, and a mailinglist. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
In some previous companies I used: Easy IP Spreadsheet ;-) Or homemade tool Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tissieres, Jerome Sent: jeudi, 13. novembre 2008 11:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool Hi Matthias, hi all, I've searched something like this during years at VTX and finally we develop internally our own tool. I've also tried NorthStar in the past with Nicolas Strina. It's an open source project but there was a lot of bugs and the project seems abandoned... So, I can't help you, sorry. But I'm still interested if anybody knows something working well. :) Regards, Jerome Jerome Tissieres - Senior Network Administrator Tel: +41 21 618 03 77 Fax: +41 21 618 07 07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMD Ch. de Bellerive 23, P.O. Box 915 CH - 1001 Lausanne, Switzerland www.imd.ch P please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:swinog- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthias Cramer Sent: 13 November 2008 11:21 To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] IP Management Tool Hi I'm looking for a new IP-Management tool. Currently we are using IPPlan, which does mainly what we like, but is not very easy to use. What we like to do: - IPv4 Subnet Allocation to Customers - IPv6 Subnet Allocation to Customers - Single IP documentation within Subnets - See free Space - See usage ratio of Subnets and Blocks - Export for RIPE database would be nice Does somebody of you use something like this or can recommend a tool. Regards Matthias -- Matthias Cramer / mc322-ripe System Network Manager Interway Communication GmbHPhone +41 43 500 Josefstrasse 225 Fax +41 44 271 3535 CH-8005 Zürich http://www.interway.ch/ GnuPG 1024D/2D208250 = DBC6 65B6 7083 1029 781E 3959 B62F DF1C 2D20 8250 ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:39 +0100, Viktor Steinmann wrote: alternative to managing IP addresses on a Spreadsheet... I personally prefer any Wiki to a Spreadsheet. It's able to handle multiple users at a time, searchable, versionised and has about the same clarity. - Dan ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
why not to use the whois database from ripe ? http://www.ripe.net/db/cvs-bugzilla.html scalable, stable, and a mailinglist. On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:21 +0100, Matthias Cramer wrote: Hi I'm looking for a new IP-Management tool. Currently we are using IPPlan, which does mainly what we like, but is not very easy to use. What we like to do: - IPv4 Subnet Allocation to Customers - IPv6 Subnet Allocation to Customers - Single IP documentation within Subnets - See free Space - See usage ratio of Subnets and Blocks - Export for RIPE database would be nice Does somebody of you use something like this or can recommend a tool. Regards Matthias ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
that is not a limit ip is ip ..private or public or mcast..whatever this are just numbers. you can set up the ripe whois database server as you like. So there are no limits. You have a mail interface webinterface and every tool to query on port 43, and a solutions to sync your stuff with the ripe whois database server, it is called sync updates. this are pro tools if you know what i mean, and of course opensource. here are the docs: http://www.ripe.net/db/docs.html have fun and luck to find your solution :) wish you a nice day michael On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 11:54 +0100, Viktor Steinmann wrote: I cannot speak for all, but as for us, we want to manage ALL IPs in one tool - even the RFC1918 IPs for internal use. Kind regards, Viktor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Theurl Sent: Donnerstag, 13. November 2008 11:43 To: Matthias Cramer; swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool why not to use the whois database from ripe ? http://www.ripe.net/db/cvs-bugzilla.html scalable, stable, and a mailinglist. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
- Original Message From: Viktor Steinmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cannot speak for all, but as for us, we want to manage ALL IPs in one tool - even the RFC1918 IPs for internal use. also AS numbers, VLAN numbers, RD, RT, VRF names in an MPLS network, BGP communities, in the end, port numbers on your switches ;-) Probably Michael is right, RIPE DB is the only professional open source tool able to do that. Actually many commercial tools aren't doing it well either. EasyIP is just one example :-) Also it's quite clear why there aren't many open source tool of good quality: programmers don't understand IP networking, and network engineers (in general) cannot develop software of good quality :-) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
Philippe, searching for open source alternative is a wrong approach. A company should sponsor the development of a new open source tool which would match their requirements. In the short term, this could even be more expensive than buying a commercial software. From: Philippe Teissier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:43:58 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool I have used VitalQIP (commercial, expensive, Alcatel Lucent) in my previous job (car maker IT headquarters, 200 000 IP addresses), I won't advise it either ... It's a full suite for DNS, DHCP, IP management. Not as scalable as expected to be, bad support from the editor, quite rigid, your architecture has to adapt to their way of thinking and programming, and I must admit the programmers didn't know about network latency when they studied the scalability of the product (5 servers DNS/DHCP were oversees, more than 200ms ping each, they were never able to efficiently deal with that). Before quitting, I was searching for an open source alternative, but as the philosophy of the company was just starting to be open minded, they still run QIP (and bought a newer version for $) ... ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
forgot to mention, that the ideal tool would deal with overlapping RFC1918 ranges as well ;-) - Original Message From: Stanislav Sinyagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:56:30 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool - Original Message From: Viktor Steinmann I cannot speak for all, but as for us, we want to manage ALL IPs in one tool - even the RFC1918 IPs for internal use. also AS numbers, VLAN numbers, RD, RT, VRF names in an MPLS network, BGP communities, in the end, port numbers on your switches ;-) Probably Michael is right, RIPE DB is the only professional open source tool able to do that. Actually many commercial tools aren't doing it well either. EasyIP is just one example :-) Also it's quite clear why there aren't many open source tool of good quality: programmers don't understand IP networking, and network engineers (in general) cannot develop software of good quality :-) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] IP Management Tool
Hi I'm looking for a new IP-Management tool. Currently we are using IPPlan, which does mainly what we like, but is not very easy to use. What we like to do: - IPv4 Subnet Allocation to Customers - IPv6 Subnet Allocation to Customers - Single IP documentation within Subnets - See free Space - See usage ratio of Subnets and Blocks - Export for RIPE database would be nice Does somebody of you use something like this or can recommend a tool. Regards Matthias -- Matthias Cramer / mc322-ripe System Network Manager Interway Communication GmbHPhone +41 43 500 Josefstrasse 225 Fax +41 44 271 3535 CH-8005 Zürich http://www.interway.ch/ GnuPG 1024D/2D208250 = DBC6 65B6 7083 1029 781E 3959 B62F DF1C 2D20 8250 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
Of course they did not understand it that way as you can imagine ... The good point is that they now consider that with the same features in a commercial and open source solution, then they may choose the open alternative. That was'nt true when I arrived !! My idea was that the company doesn't have a solution efficient, and the cost is just insane. So my goal was to study any alternative (even with internal dev). But that approach does not fit into the plans of the company... The evolution is slow but is not null ... Anyway, I'm far :) 2008/11/13 Stanislav Sinyagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Philippe, searching for open source alternative is a wrong approach. A company should sponsor the development of a new open source tool which would match their requirements. In the short term, this could even be more expensive than buying a commercial software. From: Philippe Teissier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:43:58 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool I have used VitalQIP (commercial, expensive, Alcatel Lucent) in my previous job (car maker IT headquarters, 200 000 IP addresses), I won't advise it either ... It's a full suite for DNS, DHCP, IP management. Not as scalable as expected to be, bad support from the editor, quite rigid, your architecture has to adapt to their way of thinking and programming, and I must admit the programmers didn't know about network latency when they studied the scalability of the product (5 servers DNS/DHCP were oversees, more than 200ms ping each, they were never able to efficiently deal with that). Before quitting, I was searching for an open source alternative, but as the philosophy of the company was just starting to be open minded, they still run QIP (and bought a newer version for $) ... ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog -- Philippe Teissier [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
