[swinog] Project of cooperation between Swiss ISPs

[Gregory Agerba]

Dear SwiNOGers,

This is a short message targeting small and medium Swiss-based Internet
Service Providers.

A few days ago I started reaching out a few ISPs, mostly in the region of
Zurich/Zug/Bern/Basel, to discuss the possibility of a smart collaboration
in a “cooperative” and “constructive” way.

I actually wanted to check out if there was any enthusiasm on the idea of
building together a network to reach major European Internet Exchange, buy
Transit in bulk, peer with larger networks and setup a larger DDoS
mitigation service. The idea came when I saw that many smaller ISPs deploy
the same type of network, seeking the same advantages and struggle to
deploy a wider reach outside Switzerland due mostly to a lack of available
manpower or financial backing.

Amongst a more human collaboration between tenants, various cross-business
opportunities, the idea is to collaborate on:

   - Establishing a privileged network of trusted companies and people
   - Enhancing IP Transit Connectivity quality and costs by playing on
   larger value scales
   - Enhancing IP Peering Connectivity by reaching various European IXs
   over the same infrastructure
   - Enhancing campus-interconnection in Zurich by lowering costs for
   inter-DC connectivity in Zurich (DWDM/DF) by sharing the same infrastructure
   - Build and share a larger DDoS mitigation platform

These challenges are part of day-to-day hassles that every ISPs companies
have to deal. Scepticism of a working business-model has been highlighted
by various interested parties. Other topics such as IP Transit rates
erosion costs vs. high transport costs and port-fees have been thoroughly
considered too.

Therefore, for Swiss ISPs who are interested and willing to take a look,
we’d like to invite you to join our discussion board – www.swissnog.ch –
please keep in mind that this is in no means a board affiliated with SwiNOG
and that if you want to debate about it you are most welcome to join rather
than reply here.

We look forward to seeing you there!

-- Gregory

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Re: [swinog] Project of cooperation between Swiss ISPs

[Stanislav Sinyagin]

I would advise to choose a better (more distinctive) name for the forum website.

also such a joint venture will be quite difficult to manage, and 
decision-making process will be quite challenging.





 From: Gregory Agerba gregory.age...@gmail.com
To: swinog swinog@lists.swinog.ch 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: [swinog] Project of cooperation between Swiss ISPs
 


Dear SwiNOGers,

This is a short message targeting small and medium Swiss-based Internet Service 
Providers.

A few days ago I started reaching out a few ISPs, mostly in the region of 
Zurich/Zug/Bern/Basel, to discuss the possibility of a smart collaboration in a 
“cooperative” and “constructive” way.

I actually wanted to check out if there was any enthusiasm on the idea of 
building together a network to reach major European Internet Exchange, buy 
Transit in bulk, peer with larger networks and setup a larger DDoS mitigation 
service. The idea came when I saw that many smaller ISPs deploy the same type 
of network, seeking the same advantages and struggle to deploy a wider reach 
outside Switzerland due mostly to a lack of available manpower or financial 
backing. 

Amongst a more human collaboration between tenants, various cross-business 
opportunities, the idea is to collaborate on:
* Establishing a privileged network of trusted companies and people
* Enhancing IP Transit Connectivity quality and costs by playing on 
larger value scales
* Enhancing IP Peering Connectivity by reaching various European IXs 
over the same infrastructure
* Enhancing campus-interconnection in Zurich by lowering costs for 
inter-DC connectivity in Zurich (DWDM/DF) by sharing the same infrastructure
* Build and share a larger DDoS mitigation platform 
These challenges are part of day-to-day hassles that every ISPs companies have 
to deal. Scepticism of a working business-model has been highlighted by various 
interested parties. Other topics such as IP Transit rates erosion costs vs. 
high transport costs and port-fees have been thoroughly considered too.


Therefore, for Swiss ISPs who are interested and willing to take a look, we’d 
like to invite you to join our discussion board – www.swissnog.ch – please keep 
in mind that this is in no means a board affiliated with SwiNOG and that if you 
want to debate about it you are most welcome to join rather than reply here.

We look forward to seeing you there!

-- Gregory

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