Re: AW: [swinog] future of dls
Glogger Steven schrieb: What does the V in VDSL stand vor anyway? Video? Virtual? Venty? very high bit-rate DSL :-) Ah so. =:-) What comes next? UDSL for Ultra? Never let a marketdroid choose a name or this is what you get. CU, Venty P.S. Venty-DSL would have been cool. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: [swinog] future of dls
> What does the V in VDSL stand vor anyway? Video? Virtual? Venty? very high bit-rate DSL :-) -steven ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
Thomas Kernen schrieb: It is VDSL2 but since there has been no large scale VDSL deployment in Switzerland not many non technical people are aware of VDSL(1) hence VDSL2 is simply referred to as VDSL. What does the V in VDSL stand vor anyway? Video? Virtual? Venty? CU, Venty ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
Neil J. McRae wrote: Swisscom is not going to do ADSL2+ at all. They want to jump directly to VDSL. Whether this will work out as they think it will remains to be seen. The TV thing didn't go as they expected either. However what I know is that all the 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL will only be used for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for 20Mbit Internet surfing. I doubt it would be VDSL - more likely VDSL2. Which gives them a very limited footprint. Distances with VDSL2 are very limited. E.SHDSL can do 4-7M depending on distance and pair ponding and IMA - if Swisscom are going into VDSL2 [EFM] then I'd expect them to do E.SHDSL also. Regards, Neil. It is VDSL2 but since there has been no large scale VDSL deployment in Switzerland not many non technical people are aware of VDSL(1) hence VDSL2 is simply referred to as VDSL. Thomas ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] future of dls
|I doubt it would be VDSL - more likely VDSL2. Which gives |them a very limited footprint. Distances with VDSL2 are very |limited. Indeed. There was a short talk 2 months ago by Swisscom, explaining their plan to deploy VDSL2, which actually implies moving the exchanges closer to the users, and their roadmap for coverage in the big cities. The presentation is available here: http://www.giti.ch/documents/Presentation_3PInfra.pdf Regards, Gabriel Boissonnard ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] future of dls
> Swisscom is not going to do ADSL2+ at all. They want to jump > directly to VDSL. Whether this will work out as they think it > will remains to be seen. The TV thing didn't go as they > expected either. However what I know is that all the > 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL will only be used > for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for 20Mbit > Internet surfing. I doubt it would be VDSL - more likely VDSL2. Which gives them a very limited footprint. Distances with VDSL2 are very limited. E.SHDSL can do 4-7M depending on distance and pair ponding and IMA - if Swisscom are going into VDSL2 [EFM] then I'd expect them to do E.SHDSL also. Regards, Neil. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
Michel Renfer wrote: I know is that all the 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL will only be used for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for 20Mbit Internet surfing. Ack! TV streams will have strict priority over internet traffic. So surfing at (very) highspeed and hdtv streaming won't be possible. cheers, michel You are sure it's DSCP based and not VLAN/PVC based and do you mean for IP streamed channels to a PC or the *real* IPTV solution with the STB and the SD + HD tv streams (VOD or live, doesn't matter with regards to my question). Thomas ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] future of dls
Hello > Many customer won't pay 40 francs per month just for a bit > surfing or for > download e-mail. > Users comming from Dial-In they would like this new offer. > We also have such an offer and believe me, that's very popular! That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) I'm curious about the announced "competitive" offer from Swisscom. Let's see, if they also just think, that they only have idiots as (potential) customers ... cheers, Mauro ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: [swinog] future of dls
Hi >I doubt though that this will be a big success since flatrates >are very popular. Many customer won't pay 40 francs per month just for a bit surfing or for download e-mail. Users comming from Dial-In they would like this new offer. We also have such an offer and believe me, that's very popular! Walter ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
Andre Oppermann schrieb: Hi. Swiss ISP's can only offer what Swisscom gives them (for ADSL that is). And Swisscom is not very forthcoming in this regard. The only true competition they have is Cablecom. Put that way, Swisscom will not upgrade speed, until Cablecom upgraded yet another time. And if you look at the speed distribution then 600/100 wins hands down with IIRC about 80% market share. Whether this is because it is enough bandwidth, or because higher bandwidth is too expensive is up to the reader. That's probably the reason for Sunrise offering a 150/50 abo with up to 20 MB of traffic per month. If you have more traffic, you pay per MB. I doubt though that this will be a big success since flatrates are very popular. CU, Venty ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
> > I know is that all the 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL > > will only be used for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for > > 20Mbit Internet surfing. > > Ack! > > TV streams will have strict priority over internet traffic. So surfing > at > (very) highspeed and hdtv streaming won't be possible. Thanks for all that useful information. We'll look forward into packing "normal" data into video streams ;-) Jean-Pierre -- HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting GmbH Energietechnik und Datensysteme Tel: +41 34 402 74 00 - http://www.hilotec.com/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] future of dls
> I know is that all the 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL will > only be used for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for 20Mbit > Internet surfing. Ack! TV streams will have strict priority over internet traffic. So surfing at (very) highspeed and hdtv streaming won't be possible. cheers, michel ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
Hello From: "Glogger Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [..] as far as i know swisscom never talked about ADSL2+ but used words like SDSL and maybe VDSL... so, let us see what the future brings us... and the speed on these two new sdsl-products is "low" - maximum 1800/1800kBps .. but if you get a bunch of money from selling high-priced E1's you aren't very interested to launch a possible substitute by yourself ... greetings nik ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
Michel Renfer wrote: > > Hi Jean-Pierre > > In the actual situation without unbundling it's 'just' a question > what swisscom would do. Actually i didn't have any information, if > swisscom would support adsl2+ Swisscom is not going to do ADSL2+ at all. They want to jump directly to VDSL. Whether this will work out as they think it will remains to be seen. The TV thing didn't go as they expected either. However what I know is that all the 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL will only be used for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for 20Mbit Internet surfing. -- Andre ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] future of dls
Jean-Pierre Schwickerath wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for their routers > to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are overbidding themselves with > always increasing bandwidths. > > Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss broadband ISPs > plan to offer in the next future? Yes, a new low-bandwidth product. Swiss ISP's can only offer what Swisscom gives them (for ADSL that is). And Swisscom is not very forthcoming in this regard. The only true competition they have is Cablecom. And if you look at the speed distribution then 600/100 wins hands down with IIRC about 80% market share. Whether this is because it is enough bandwidth, or because higher bandwidth is too expensive is up to the reader. -- Andre ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: [swinog] future of dls
hi jean-pierre > I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for > their routers to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are > overbidding themselves with always increasing bandwidths. lastmile = swisscom, so no overbidding with bandwidths in switzerland. > Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss > broadband ISPs plan to offer in the next future? don't talk about "swiss broadband ISPs". it's only swisscom, who's offering any service. the "swiss broadband ISPs" are only resellers of swisscom's service. as far as i know swisscom never talked about ADSL2+ but used words like SDSL and maybe VDSL... so, let us see what the future brings us... -steven > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Jean-Pierre Schwickerath > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2005 11:39 > An: swinog@swinog.ch > Betreff: [swinog] future of dls > > Hello everyone, > > I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for > their routers to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are > overbidding themselves with always increasing bandwidths. > > Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss > broadband ISPs plan to offer in the next future? > > > Regards, > Jean-Pierre > > > -- > HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting GmbH > Energietechnik und Datensysteme > Tel: +41 34 402 74 00 - http://www.hilotec.com/ > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
RE: [swinog] future of dls
Hi Jean-Pierre In the actual situation without unbundling it's 'just' a question what swisscom would do. Actually i didn't have any information, if swisscom would support adsl2+ cheers, michel > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Jean-Pierre Schwickerath > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:39 AM > To: swinog@swinog.ch > Subject: [swinog] future of dls > > Hello everyone, > > I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for their routers > to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are overbidding themselves with > always increasing bandwidths. > > Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss broadband ISPs > plan to offer in the next future? > > > Regards, > Jean-Pierre > > > -- > HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting GmbH > Energietechnik und Datensysteme > Tel: +41 34 402 74 00 - http://www.hilotec.com/ > ___ > swinog mailing list > swinog@lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] future of dls
Hello everyone, I just read that Netgear proposes a firmware upgrade for their routers to support ADSL2+ and in Germany ISP are overbidding themselves with always increasing bandwidths. Does anyone have reliable information about what swiss broadband ISPs plan to offer in the next future? Regards, Jean-Pierre -- HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting GmbH Energietechnik und Datensysteme Tel: +41 34 402 74 00 - http://www.hilotec.com/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
