AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
Hey cool, my packets to our server at init7 as a cablecom customer travel from winterthur over half europe to zürich now :-( Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 11 ms1 ms1 ms 192.168.10.1 2 *7 ms 7 ms 62-2-80-229.static.cablecom.ch [62.2.80.229] 311 ms11 ms11 ms 10.219.224.1 432 ms ** ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 519 ms20 ms19 ms ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 640 ms39 ms42 ms nl-ams01a-rd1-ge-4-1.aorta.net [213.46.160.25] 740 ms42 ms40 ms fr-par03a-rd1-ge-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.163.82] 844 ms41 ms57 ms fr-par03a-ra1-ge-0-0-0_0.aorta.net [213.46.163.9 0] 941 ms41 ms42 ms prs-b2-geth6-1.telia.net [213.248.70.37] 1042 ms54 ms41 ms prs-bb2-pos7-1-0.telia.net [213.248.65.225] 1151 ms51 ms51 ms ffm-bb2-pos6-0-0.telia.net [213.248.65.118] 1263 ms61 ms61 ms zch-b1-pos2-0.telia.net [213.248.65.170] 1340 ms43 ms40 ms init-113677-zch-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.96.46] 1441 ms42 ms41 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 1543 ms46 ms44 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] Trace complete. Freundliche Grüsse -- Mike Kellenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Nik Hug Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:26 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Good Morning [..] It is a general thing. I would have thought swiss ISPs buying a bit more selective based on rtt and peering being local or close by. Disclaimers apply left and right, for you know who I am etc. But I am really surprised, believe it or not. yes we do care about rtt - but we can't ignore the prices. it's the usual trade-off :-( If you have to pay twice the price for peering transit as for full transit the decision is clear - at least from my point of view. Think about it this way - before there were 2 ISPs you had with 'interesting' domestic peering policies. Now you have three... I could bet with you these three do not react so much about traffic over their upstream unless it is some 500m sustained...? I speak of experience, in a way [..] in the past it showed, that this bad domestic peering policies even brought customers to our network. You can very well explain the peering policy of a big domestic ISP to your own customers and earn their sympathy and support. Regards Nik ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
looks better from home (leunet - cablecom) Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 11 ms1 ms1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 10.32.0.1 3 8 ms10 ms12 ms 212.203.33.62 4 9 ms10 ms 9 ms gig-4-3-719.blxZHZ002.gw.cablecom.net [62.2.154. 241] 512 ms13 ms13 ms swissix-glb.init7.net [194.242.34.3] 618 ms12 ms14 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 714 ms13 ms14 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] Trace complete. funny that the cablecom business access is so much worse than a cheap private access... :-( Freundliche Grüsse -- Mike Kellenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mike Kellenberger Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:37 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Hey cool, my packets to our server at init7 as a cablecom customer travel from winterthur over half europe to zürich now :-( Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 11 ms1 ms1 ms 192.168.10.1 2 *7 ms 7 ms 62-2-80-229.static.cablecom.ch [62.2.80.229] 311 ms11 ms11 ms 10.219.224.1 432 ms ** ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 519 ms20 ms19 ms ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 640 ms39 ms42 ms nl-ams01a-rd1-ge-4-1.aorta.net [213.46.160.25] 740 ms42 ms40 ms fr-par03a-rd1-ge-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.163.82] 844 ms41 ms57 ms fr-par03a-ra1-ge-0-0-0_0.aorta.net [213.46.163.9 0] 941 ms41 ms42 ms prs-b2-geth6-1.telia.net [213.248.70.37] 1042 ms54 ms41 ms prs-bb2-pos7-1-0.telia.net [213.248.65.225] 1151 ms51 ms51 ms ffm-bb2-pos6-0-0.telia.net [213.248.65.118] 1263 ms61 ms61 ms zch-b1-pos2-0.telia.net [213.248.65.170] 1340 ms43 ms40 ms init-113677-zch-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.96.46] 1441 ms42 ms41 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 1543 ms46 ms44 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] Trace complete. Freundliche Grüsse -- Mike Kellenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Nik Hug Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:26 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Good Morning [..] It is a general thing. I would have thought swiss ISPs buying a bit more selective based on rtt and peering being local or close by. Disclaimers apply left and right, for you know who I am etc. But I am really surprised, believe it or not. yes we do care about rtt - but we can't ignore the prices. it's the usual trade-off :-( If you have to pay twice the price for peering transit as for full transit the decision is clear - at least from my point of view. Think about it this way - before there were 2 ISPs you had with 'interesting' domestic peering policies. Now you have three... I could bet with you these three do not react so much about traffic over their upstream unless it is some 500m sustained...? I speak of experience, in a way [..] in the past it showed, that this bad domestic peering policies even brought customers to our network. You can very well explain the peering policy of a big domestic ISP to your own customers and earn their sympathy and support. Regards Nik ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 15:07 +0200, Gunther Stammwitz wrote: Some performance measurements from Frankfurt: Back to our studies, we tried to implement a system, that periodically stores traceroutes from looking glass servers to some other endpoints. The main goal was to display a map which shows which provider uses wich route and detect routing changes (well, this had never been reached). If someones interessted, leave me a PM. Have a nice weekend! - Dan ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
Daniel Kamm wrote: On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 15:07 +0200, Gunther Stammwitz wrote: Some performance measurements from Frankfurt: Back to our studies, we tried to implement a system, that periodically stores traceroutes from looking glass servers to some other endpoints. The main goal was to display a map which shows which provider uses wich route and detect routing changes (well, this had never been reached). You might want to take a look at RIPE TTM ;) http://www.ripe.net/ttm/ As it does that and a lot of other things. Greets, Jeroen signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
Hello Jeroen, Very good hint. I've always been trying to measure performance to deutsche telekom but they don't really offer test-locations. With the TTM-boxes one can do that. We have just ordered ours and it should be operational within the next 4 weeks. The TTM-project is a really good tool for network operators. Especially with latency crtical applications like VoIP or gaming the ttm-boxes are the last option you have for troubleshooting. Regards, Gunther ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
I'm behind the Sunrise Backborn the Trace to init7 is going over alter.net Routenverfolgung zu init7.ch [213.144.129.91] über maximal 30 Abschnitte: 11 ms1 ms1 ms r2d2.pop.ch [195.141.232.1] 221 ms21 ms49 ms 212.161.209.113 323 ms23 ms24 ms 212.161.164.50 441 ms23 ms23 ms 212.161.164.50 524 ms25 ms24 ms p9-0.zur01b03.sunrise.ch [193.192.225.61] 625 ms26 ms26 ms gi0-1.zur14s01.sunrise.ch [195.141.93.203] 726 ms26 ms26 ms 194.42.48.73 829 ms33 ms25 ms so-2-1-0.XR2.ZUR4.ALTER.NET [146.188.5.69] 936 ms41 ms31 ms 462.ATM1-0.GW7.ZUR4.ALTER.NET [146.188.6.82] 10 2351 ms 2293 ms 2180 ms uch200090.customer.alter.net [212.249.10.246] 11 1846 ms 1694 ms 1526 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 12 1361 ms 1140 ms 1022 ms prayer.init7.net [213.144.129.91] Ablaufverfolgung beendet. Swisscom is over IP Plus... Else Firewall 11 ms1 ms1 ms r2d2.pop.ch [195.141.232.1] 221 ms22 ms23 ms 212.161.209.113 324 ms23 ms24 ms 212.161.164.50 423 ms24 ms24 ms 212.161.164.50 598 ms 115 ms83 ms p9-0.zur01b03.sunrise.ch [193.192.225.61] 626 ms27 ms27 ms gi0-1.zur14s01.sunrise.ch [195.141.93.203] 726 ms25 ms26 ms 193.192.255.202 825 ms26 ms25 ms i79zhh-015-xxx1-4.bb.ip-plus.net [138.187.129.73 ] 930 ms29 ms28 ms i64beb-000-gig0-3.bb.ip-plus.net [138.187.130.16 1] 1032 ms32 ms31 ms i64beb-010-gig0-2.bb.ip-plus.net [138.187.157.10 ] 1133 ms34 ms33 ms i64beb-061-gig0-2.bb.ip-plus.net [138.187.156.17 2] 1231 ms31 ms30 ms cit-00-lb-ser1-0.ce.ip-plus.net [164.128.156.242 ] 13 *** Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung. 14 ^C Cablecom is direct 11 ms1 ms1 ms r2d2.pop.ch [195.141.232.1] 222 ms23 ms22 ms 212.161.209.113 327 ms45 ms24 ms 212.161.164.50 4 402 ms96 ms23 ms 212.161.164.50 525 ms68 ms45 ms p9-0.zur01b03.sunrise.ch [193.192.225.61] 625 ms25 ms25 ms gi12-0-0.zur14s03.sunrise.ch [193.192.234.208] 726 ms26 ms26 ms 194.230.36.202 827 ms25 ms26 ms tengig-2-4.mlrOTF008.gw.cablecom.net [62.2.33.6] 927 ms31 ms26 ms vlan701.mesOTF009.cablecom.net [62.2.25.162] 10 *** Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung. (Last i think Firewall) Urgent Service Googel is direct Routenverfolgung zu www.l.google.com [66.249.85.104] über maximal 30 Abschnitte : 11 ms1 ms1 ms r2d2.pop.ch [195.141.232.1] 225 ms51 ms 231 ms 212.161.209.113 322 ms22 ms24 ms 212.161.164.50 423 ms23 ms23 ms 212.161.164.50 523 ms22 ms23 ms g5-2.lau01b04.sunrise.ch [193.192.234.229] 649 ms49 ms49 ms 194.230.36.218 749 ms49 ms48 ms core2.ams.google.com [195.69.145.100] 849 ms48 ms49 ms 216.239.43.89 943 ms46 ms43 ms 72.14.232.209 1045 ms43 ms43 ms 66.249.85.104 To Germany T-Online Routenverfolgung zu www.t-online.de [62.153.159.92] über maximal 30 Abschnitte: 11 ms1 ms1 ms r2d2.pop.ch [195.141.232.1] 223 ms24 ms22 ms 212.161.209.113 327 ms24 ms22 ms 212.161.164.50 424 ms23 ms24 ms 212.161.164.50 525 ms25 ms25 ms p9-0.zur01b03.sunrise.ch [193.192.225.61] 627 ms28 ms26 ms gi12-0-0.zur14s03.sunrise.ch [193.192.234.208] 725 ms25 ms27 ms 217.6.24.185 839 ms38 ms38 ms 194.25.10.94 939 ms38 ms38 ms 217.6.25.154 1039 ms38 ms85 ms www.t-online.de [62.153.159.92] Ablaufverfolgung beendet. I havn't any Problem Greetings Xaver -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Fredy Kuenzler Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. September 2006 20:49 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Anyone else with problems to reach the Sunrise backbone? We saw an high latency between Verizon Business (702) and Sunrise and after rerouting via Telia (1299) the latency remained between in the Level3 (3356) Backbone. TTL LFT trace to business.sunrise.ch (195.141.106.101):80/tcp 1 [AS13030] r4.core.init7.net (213.144.129.65) 3.1ms 2 [AS13030] r7.core.init7.net (213.144.128.7) 6.3ms 3 [AS1299] zch-b1-link.telia.net (213.248.96.45) 6.5ms 4 [AS1299] ffm-bb1-link.telia.net (213.248.65.41) 12.1ms 5 [AS1299] ffm-b2-link.telia.net (80.91.249.194) 14.5ms 6 [AS3356] ge-6-13.car2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.68.111.101) 14.6ms 7 [AS3356] ae-0-53.bbr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.68.118.65) 3398.5/3402.7ms 8 [AS3356] so-1-0-0.mpls2.Geneva1.Level3.net (212.187.128.245) 3406.1/3414.9ms 9 [AS3356] so-10-0.hsa2.Geneva1.Level3.net
