Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Peter Baumann wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:10, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? No, but I'll ask around here at ETHZ and let you know if I find out something. In the past I was using this source, since it is sometimes down I'm using now the following: ntp1.ptb.de and ntp2.ptb.de It would make more sense to use different timeservers from different places, at least for your server(s) (your clients can then use your own server(s)). E.g. I use the following (from /etc/ntp.conf): server swisstime.ethz.ch # Our server is the only machine using swisstime server time.inf.ethz.ch # D-INFK timeserver server time2.euro.apple.com server time.unizh.ch server metasweb01.admin.ch Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
We use both ntp.metas.ch and swisstime.ethz.ch. I already noticed that swisstime does not seems to be 100% available. Metas work really fine. BTW: Metas is the official swiss time reference See ya ! Daniele -Original Message- From: Roger Schmid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2003 10:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch? since switzerland doesn't have a own time, i use a few servers, mostly located all over europe. server swisstime.ethz.ch server ntp0.nl.net server ntpa2.kph.uni-mainz.de server ntps1-0.uni-erlangen.de server 131.188.34.75 server ptbtime1.ptb.de server ptbtime2.ptb.de so it doesn't really matter which one is off for few hours, the time is always accurate (guessed +- 10msec) cheers Roger On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Peter Baumann wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:10, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? No, but I'll ask around here at ETHZ and let you know if I find out something. In the past I was using this source, since it is sometimes down I'm using now the following: ntp1.ptb.de and ntp2.ptb.de It would make more sense to use different timeservers from different places, at least for your server(s) (your clients can then use your own server(s)). E.g. I use the following (from /etc/ntp.conf): server swisstime.ethz.ch # Our server is the only machine using swisstime server time.inf.ethz.ch # D-INFK timeserver server time2.euro.apple.com server time.unizh.ch server metasweb01.admin.ch Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
Hi are you sure about this? The technical requirements for the delivery of electronic mail, which has some official character, states in chapter 6.2.2 that swisstime.ethz.ch is the primary time server to be used. But then, the UVEK is not ETHZ, is it? :) Cheers, Alain -Original Message- From: Guazzoni Daniele, CH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch? We use both ntp.metas.ch and swisstime.ethz.ch. I already noticed that swisstime does not seems to be 100% available. Metas work really fine. BTW: Metas is the official swiss time reference See ya ! Daniele -Original Message- From: Roger Schmid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2003 10:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch? since switzerland doesn't have a own time, i use a few servers, mostly located all over europe. server swisstime.ethz.ch server ntp0.nl.net server ntpa2.kph.uni-mainz.de server ntps1-0.uni-erlangen.de server 131.188.34.75 server ptbtime1.ptb.de server ptbtime2.ptb.de so it doesn't really matter which one is off for few hours, the time is always accurate (guessed +- 10msec) cheers Roger On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Peter Baumann wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:10, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? No, but I'll ask around here at ETHZ and let you know if I find out something. In the past I was using this source, since it is sometimes down I'm using now the following: ntp1.ptb.de and ntp2.ptb.de It would make more sense to use different timeservers from different places, at least for your server(s) (your clients can then use your own server(s)). E.g. I use the following (from /etc/ntp.conf): server swisstime.ethz.ch # Our server is the only machine using swisstime server time.inf.ethz.ch # D-INFK timeserver server time2.euro.apple.com server time.unizh.ch server metasweb01.admin.ch Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
My 2 rappen: How about ch.pool.ntp.org ? http://fortytwo.ch/time/ Seems quite reliable and less dependant on particular service providers. Cheers, Stan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? The xntpd crashed, but now it's running again. - Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
You are right, the UVEK reference time server is swisstime.ethz.ch. What I meant is that Metas is the reference for all time adjustments in Switzerland. If you want to calibrate some clock to the Swiss time Metas is the source you need. Metas also operate the HBG radio time server. I have no idea why at UVEK they have choosen ETHZ as reference. Daniele -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2003 11:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch? Hi are you sure about this? The technical requirements for the delivery of electronic mail, which has some official character, states in chapter 6.2.2 that swisstime.ethz.ch is the primary time server to be used. But then, the UVEK is not ETHZ, is it? :) Cheers, Alain -Original Message- From: Guazzoni Daniele, CH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch? We use both ntp.metas.ch and swisstime.ethz.ch. I already noticed that swisstime does not seems to be 100% available. Metas work really fine. BTW: Metas is the official swiss time reference See ya ! Daniele -Original Message- From: Roger Schmid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2003 10:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch? since switzerland doesn't have a own time, i use a few servers, mostly located all over europe. server swisstime.ethz.ch server ntp0.nl.net server ntpa2.kph.uni-mainz.de server ntps1-0.uni-erlangen.de server 131.188.34.75 server ptbtime1.ptb.de server ptbtime2.ptb.de so it doesn't really matter which one is off for few hours, the time is always accurate (guessed +- 10msec) cheers Roger On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Peter Baumann wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:10, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? No, but I'll ask around here at ETHZ and let you know if I find out something. In the past I was using this source, since it is sometimes down I'm using now the following: ntp1.ptb.de and ntp2.ptb.de It would make more sense to use different timeservers from different places, at least for your server(s) (your clients can then use your own server(s)). E.g. I use the following (from /etc/ntp.conf): server swisstime.ethz.ch # Our server is the only machine using swisstime server time.inf.ethz.ch # D-INFK timeserver server time2.euro.apple.com server time.unizh.ch server metasweb01.admin.ch Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] Question about : IPv6 First Allocation Request Form
Hi to all, Has somewehre a good exsample to fillout this nice RIPE Document ? If you read the IPV6 Policy from RIPE and other Document from RIPE ther are saying not the same. And now i'm comfused how to fill the Form Correct. I'm also in a big fight with the RIPE-Robot with this Document. 8Cut Here8-- #[GENERAL INFORMATION]# request-type: ipv6-first-alloc form-version: 1.0 x-ncc-regid: #[OVERVIEW OF ORGANISATION TEMPLATE]# % % Question 1: Please provide a short description of the % organisation requesting the IPv6 address space. org-description: % % Question 2: Is this IPv6 request for the entire % organisation or will other parts of the organisation also % be requesting an allocation? for-whole-or-part-of-the-organisation: % % Question 3: Will your organisation also be requesting (or % do you already have) an IPv6 allocation from another % Regional Internet Registry (RIR)? Please specify each % allocation separately in an other-allocation field below. other-allocation: % % Please note that a Local Internet Registry (LIR) can % request an allocation for itself only and not on behalf of % another organisation. % #[REQUESTER TEMPLATE]# % % Please enter the details of the person at your LIR who is % submitting this request. name: phone: fax-no: e-mail: nic-hdl: #[IPv6 ALLOCATION USAGE PLAN]# % %PrefixWhen Used %LengthImmediate1yr 2yrPurpose subnet: #[DATABASE TEMPLATE(S)]# % % Please fill in the necessary details below so that the % Hostmaster can create an inet6num object after allocating % a block to you. If it is necessary to create a maintainer object % please include that template too. inet6num: netname: descr: Provider Local Registry descr: *specify the name of the LIR's organisation* country: *specify the country code* admin-c: *insert nic-handle of administrative contact* tech-c: *insert nic-handle of technical contact* status: ALLOCATED-BY-RIR mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT mnt-lower: *specify mntner name here* notify: *specify e-mail address* changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] source: RIPE mntner: *specify mntner name here* descr: *descriptive comments* admin-c: *insert nic-handle of administrative contact* tech-c: *insert nic-handle of technical contact* upd-to: *specify e-mail address* mnt-nfy: *specify e-mail address* auth:*specify authorisation* mnt-by: *specify mntner name here* referral-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] source: RIPE #[REQUIRED INFORMATION]# % % 1. IPv6 address space is allocated to LIRs according to % policies set by the RIPE community. % % It should be noted that, as stated in the IPv6 policy % document, IPv6 address space is not considered property. % IPv6 address space is licensed for use rather than owned. % % Please confirm that you have read the policy document % IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy and agree % to abide by it. The document can be found in the RIPE % Document Store at: % % http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-policies.html confirmation: % % 2. Please provide a network diagram in PostScript or JPEG % format showing your IPv6 network. Submission instructions % can be found in the RIPE document Supporting Notes for the % Initial IPv6 Allocation Request Form in the RIPE NCC Service % Region found at: % % http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-support-initial.html % % The diagram should indicate expected completion dates of % construction as well as how much IPv6 address space is % expected to be used in each subnet. % % % 3. If your organisation has a web site detailing your % planned IPv6 services, please provide the URL below: website: #[INSERT SUPPLEMENTAL COMMENTS]# % % Please add any supplementary information that you think % may facilitate the evaluation of this request below. #[END of REQUEST]# 8Cut Here8-- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Marcel Stutz Unix Administrator -- | Genotec Internet Consulting AG | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hegenheimermattweg 119a | Website : http://www.genotec.ch CH - 4123 Allschwil | Schweiz | | Zentrale: +41 61 487 99 99 --- | Fax : +41 61 487 99 98 | Support : 0848 321 123 easy[hosting] | 200 MB, unl.Pointings, | Subdomains und E-mails,| Supportanfragen bitte immer an Internetzugang und mehr| [EMAIL PROTECTED] SFr. 150/Jahr | (Web: http://support.genotec.ch ) |
Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch?
Roger, +/- 10msec might be good enough for some networks but if you are doing services such as voice and passing thousands of calls a second across your switch well your CDRs won't be exact and that's an admin nightmare to sync with the carriers you interconnect to for settlement and mediation, not to mention fraud management. Also, how does UVEK view networks that run their own time source? We have our own stratum 1 server internal to the management network and that for sure is more reliable than any external/across the Internet clock. Thomas - Original Message - From: Roger Schmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [swinog] swisstime.ethz.ch? since switzerland doesn't have a own time, i use a few servers, mostly located all over europe. server swisstime.ethz.ch server ntp0.nl.net server ntpa2.kph.uni-mainz.de server ntps1-0.uni-erlangen.de server 131.188.34.75 server ptbtime1.ptb.de server ptbtime2.ptb.de so it doesn't really matter which one is off for few hours, the time is always accurate (guessed +- 10msec) cheers Roger On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Peter Baumann wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:10, Pascal Gloor wrote: Our official UVEK reference clock seems down since a few 10th of hours... anyone knows something? No, but I'll ask around here at ETHZ and let you know if I find out something. In the past I was using this source, since it is sometimes down I'm using now the following: ntp1.ptb.de and ntp2.ptb.de It would make more sense to use different timeservers from different places, at least for your server(s) (your clients can then use your own server(s)). E.g. I use the following (from /etc/ntp.conf): server swisstime.ethz.ch # Our server is the only machine using swisstime server time.inf.ethz.ch # D-INFK timeserver server time2.euro.apple.com server time.unizh.ch server metasweb01.admin.ch Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] Question about : IPv6 First Allocation Request Form
Title: RE: [swinog] Question about : IPv6 First Allocation Request Form Hi Marcel, About the IPv6 i can't help. But about the robot: send strictly Text-only (ASCII) mails. Cheers, Günti || -Original Message- || From: Marcel Stutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:42 PM || To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Subject: [swinog] Question about : IPv6 First Allocation || Request Form || || || Hi to all, || || Has somewehre a good exsample to fillout this nice RIPE Document ? || If you read the IPV6 Policy from RIPE and other Document from RIPE || ther are saying not the same. And now i'm comfused how to fill the || Form Correct. || || I'm also in a big fight with the RIPE-Robot with this Document. || || || 8Cut Here8-- || || #[GENERAL INFORMATION]# || request-type: ipv6-first-alloc || form-version: 1.0 || x-ncc-regid: || || #[OVERVIEW OF ORGANISATION TEMPLATE]# || % || % Question 1: Please provide a short description of the || % organisation requesting the IPv6 address space. || org-description: || || % || % Question 2: Is this IPv6 request for the entire || % organisation or will other parts of the organisation also || % be requesting an allocation? || for-whole-or-part-of-the-organisation: || || % || % Question 3: Will your organisation also be requesting (or || % do you already have) an IPv6 allocation from another || % Regional Internet Registry (RIR)? Please specify each || % allocation separately in an other-allocation field below. || other-allocation: || || % || % Please note that a Local Internet Registry (LIR) can || % request an allocation for itself only and not on behalf of || % another organisation. || % || || #[REQUESTER TEMPLATE]# || % || % Please enter the details of the person at your LIR who is || % submitting this request. || name: || phone: || fax-no: || e-mail: || nic-hdl: || || #[IPv6 ALLOCATION USAGE PLAN]# || % || % Prefix When Used || % Length Immediate 1yr 2yr Purpose || subnet: || || #[DATABASE TEMPLATE(S)]# || % || % Please fill in the necessary details below so that the || % Hostmaster can create an inet6num object after allocating || % a block to you. If it is necessary to create a maintainer object || % please include that template too. || || || inet6num: || netname: || descr: Provider Local Registry || descr: *specify the name of the LIR's organisation* || country: *specify the country code* || admin-c: *insert nic-handle of administrative contact* || tech-c: *insert nic-handle of technical contact* || status: ALLOCATED-BY-RIR || mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT || mnt-lower: *specify mntner name here* || notify: *specify e-mail address* || changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || source: RIPE || || || mntner: *specify mntner name here* || descr: *descriptive comments* || admin-c: *insert nic-handle of administrative contact* || tech-c: *insert nic-handle of technical contact* || upd-to: *specify e-mail address* || mnt-nfy: *specify e-mail address* || auth: *specify authorisation* || mnt-by: *specify mntner name here* || referral-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT || changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || source: RIPE || || #[REQUIRED INFORMATION]# || % || % 1. IPv6 address space is allocated to LIRs according to || % policies set by the RIPE community. || % || % It should be noted that, as stated in the IPv6 policy || % document, IPv6 address space is not considered property. || % IPv6 address space is licensed for use rather than owned. || % || % Please confirm that you have read the policy document || % IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy and agree || % to abide by it. The document can be found in the RIPE || % Document Store at: || % || % http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-policies.html || confirmation: || || % || % 2. Please provide a network diagram in PostScript or JPEG || % format showing your IPv6 network. Submission instructions || % can be found in the RIPE document Supporting Notes for the || % Initial IPv6 Allocation Request Form in the RIPE NCC Service || % Region found at: || % || % http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-support-initial.html || % || % The diagram should indicate expected completion dates of || % construction as well as how much IPv6 address space is || % expected to be used in each subnet. || % || || % || % 3. If your organisation has a web site detailing your || % planned IPv6 services, please provide the URL below: || website: || || #[INSERT SUPPLEMENTAL COMMENTS]# || % || % Please add any supplementary information that you think || % may facilitate the evaluation of this request below. || || #[END of REQUEST]# || || 8Cut Here8-- || || || || Mit freundlichen Grüssen || || Marcel Stutz || Unix Administrator || || -- || | || Genotec Internet Consulting AG | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Hegenheimermattweg 119a | Website :
Re: [swinog] Question about : IPv6 First Allocation Request Form
Guentensperger, Robert schrieb: About the IPv6 i can't help. But about the robot: send strictly Text-only (ASCII) mails. If you don't like the robot, use the cool forms on the https://lirportal.ripe.net they correct you in any form if you miss something and they have also a good definition, what's needed for each field. -- Mit virtuellen Grüssen Marco Huggenberger ADSL - Bandbreite und eine oder mehrere fixe IP Adressen gibt's von Init Seven AG - http://www.init7.net/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] Tele2 Usenet admin?
Is there somebody from Tele2 responsible for the Usenet / Netnews server? I got word that your newsserver nntpserver.tele2.ch is WA out of date for the Swiss Usenet hierarchy (ch.*). Please note that you can find up-to-date information about swiss Usenet newsgroups on [1] or contact my directly. - Felix [1] http://www.use-net.ch/ -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Tele2 Usenet admin?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Felix Rauch wrote: Is there somebody from Tele2 responsible for the Usenet / Netnews server? Got that. I'll match you to the sys-adms team asap. Kind regards -- Vänligen Per Lundberg Tele2 Sverige AB/Swipnet Data Network Internet - - - - - - - - - - - | Swedish IP Network | - - - - - - - - - - - R: AS1257 W: +46 8 5626 4579 M: +46 704 26 4579 F: +46 8 5626 4210 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
