Re: [Swlfest] [NASWA] THE WINTER SWL FEST IS MOVING DATES !!!!!

2024-01-13 Thread Jack Amelar 
13.01.2024, 18:59, "Paul Holzworth" :>> It may not be colliding with the Dayton Hamfest but occurring the weekend before qualifies as clashing for me, There is no such thing as a date that satisfies everyone.I too usually make the trek to Hamvention. But now that I'm retired, dedicating two consecutive weekends would be no big deal. 73 Jack NY8D 
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Re: [Swlfest] [NASWA] THE WINTER SWL FEST IS MOVING DATES !!!!!

2024-01-13 Thread Paul Holzworth 
It may not be colliding with the Dayton Hamfest but occurring the weekend 
before qualifies as clashing for me,

Paul, KD4BFN 


> On Jan 3, 2024, at 10:23 AM, John Figliozzi  wrote:
> 
> Yes.  And Sunday is Mother's Day.  But we don’t plan on “Festing” on that 
> day.  At least we’re not clashing with the Dayton Hamfest. :)   And by 
> potentially holding a dual attendance event (virtual-definite; 
> in-person-potentially), those that have a clash for other reasons can choose 
> what is more convenient for them.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 1:01 AM, Maryanne Kehoe  wrote:
>> 
>> That is the weekend of Eurovision!!!   :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maryanne
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 11:12 PM Richard Cuff  wrote:
>> We will soon be reaching out to folks who have participated in prior Fests 
>> to gauge their intent to join us in person.
>> 
>> In the aftermath of the pandemic, we know some folks are loath to gather in 
>> large groups nowadays; that's why we'll still have a Zoom component.
>> 
>> We also will need to identify a physical venue for the in-person component, 
>> and we'll be picking a venue based, in part, on how many folks plan on 
>> joining us in person.
>> 
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>> Thanks -- 
>> 
>> Richard Cuff & John Figliozzi, co-Festmeisters
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 11:47 AM John A. Figliozzi  
>> wrote:
>> THE “FESTMEISTERS" IN CONSULTATION WITH THE NASWA EXECUTIVE BOARD HAVE 
>> DECIDED TO SHIFT THE DATES OF THE 2024 FEST TO THE WEEKEND OF MAY 10-11
>> 
>> (Yes, we know that’s “shouting”, but we figure big news deserves a big, 
>> noticeable announcement.)  
>> 
>> Stay “tuned” for further information.  We also are examining the possibility 
>> of once again holding an in-person event in cooperation with the current 
>> online “Zoom” event.  
>> 
>> Better ease of travel and the potential for fewer health concerns in spring 
>> as opposed to winter were partial considerations for this decision to move 
>> the dates.  It will now be known as:
>> 
>> THE (Ahem) “WINTER” SWL FEST
>> 
>> …  even though it’s not in winter and covers far more than shortwave.  (What 
>> can we say but we can’t come up with a better identifying moniker after more 
>> than three decades.)
>> 
>> Thank you for your continued support and interest.  We’ll be back in touch 
>> shortly.  For one thing, we’ll want to poll past and potential attendees on 
>> their own interest and ability to commit to participating in an in-person 
>> event.
>> 
>> 73s
>> Richard Cuff
>> John Figliozzi
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Re: [Swlfest] THE WINTER SWL FEST IS MOVING DATES !!!!!

2024-01-13 Thread Dennis Dura 
My comments were not made excluding the hybrid model that should be in the
mix...
very aware overall attendance was up.

How has Post-COVID tempered the Business model you describe if at all? I
would imagine they offer more to get the business. If not then they are not
worthy.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024, 18:12 Ed  wrote:

> The 'elephant in the room' in this email thread
> is the stark reality that without a sufficient
> number of booked hotel rooms, we can't have the
> conference facilities we want. That's how
> hotel/conference facilities do business. Rich and
> John have ably juggled these requirements for
> many years--and a lot of other SWLfest
> organization details--extremely well, in my
> opinion.  It's a huge labor of love for them.
>
> The industry term for this business model is
> often called "heads in beds": a group of people
> must book a certain minimum number of hotel rooms
> to subsidize the conference facilities the group wants to use.
>
> Example:  If we have 100 people pre-pay their
> hotel rooms at the DoubleTree, (I'm guessing on
> the actual number this year; it varies) then we
> can afford to use the conference facilities we
> want.  Otherwise, the conference admission fee
> would have to increased high enough to cover the
> unsubsidized cost of the conference facilities we
> want.  And if that higher admission fee is more
> than a certain number of people are willing to
> pay, then we can't have an in-person SWLfest there.
>
> The virtual conference model we used in 2021-2023
> (necessarily due to the pandemic) taught us it
> brought attendees who otherwise couldn't afford
> to come, including some new presenters who made
> excellent presentations. So that's why Rich and
> John are considering a 'best of both' hybrid
> model this year with both in-person and virtual
> attendees. Doing that would bring even more
> operational and logistical challenges.
>
> Pulling all this off so an in-person SWLFest is
> affordable for enough people, and has a full
> schedule of interesting presentations, seems more
> complicated than a Rubik's Cube!
>
> If anyone's curious, here's the URL for a web
> page showing diagrams and specifications of the
> DoubleTree Plymouth Meeting conference
> facilities. (The Presidential Suite that we've
> used for our Hospitality Room since 2014 after I
> first suggested it in 2012 is not shown.)
>
>
> https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/phlghdt-doubletree-suites-philadelphia-west/events/
>
> So if we're looking at alternative venues, this
> info could be helpful in determining what might work for us.
>
> -Ed Cummings
>
>
>
> At 12:47 PM 1/13/2024, Dennis Dura wrote:
>
> >I'll add another 2¢ to what Fred said.
> >
> >Knowing the Double Tree has had bumps over the
> >years, and it wasn't their fault there was a Blizzard... it served well.
> >
> >Plenty of decent eating nearby... Breakfast
> >accomodated SWL Fest groups forming... You could
> >chat with folks out in the common areas, and
> >your room was right upstairs if you wanted a
> >break. Radio-Hospitality suite too! tpo pay,
>
>
>
>
>
> >I'd say that a place like, if not exactly that
> >place, would work best for the diverse attendees
> >we have, that some of the other suggested venues could not offer.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >PS: Yes we would come down with the WinterFest
> >crud from time to time post event too... but
> >that's a function of groups of people together in the Winter.
> >
> >On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 16:32 Fred Zalupski
> ><fzalup...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >My $0.02... I would like to attend live and very
> >much enjoy the "convention" model. Call me conventional.
> >
> >I have complete faith in the Festmeisters'
> >judgement and will be happy with the outcome, even if it's unconventional.
> >
> >Happy New Year,
> >
> >Fred
> >
> >On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:40 PM John A.
> >Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >It’s not, really.  The event hLOGNULL
> >NowTransReader::ReadIt()
> >JJFileMT::Truncate(1332873208) LOGNULL
> >NowTransReader::ReadIt() JJFileMT::Truncate(0)
> >as always had a hospitality suite where snacks
> >and beverages including beer but also several
> >non-alcohol options including water have been stocked.  That’s why it
> came up.
> >
> >This is a different challenge this time.  In the
> >pre-covid era covering about 30 years, the event
> >was held convention-style — self-contained in a
> >hotel where most registrants stayed and included
> >a banquet the last night.  Now that we only had
> >a “virtual” event on Zoom for the last 3 years
> >we’re trying to gauge interest in having a
> >hybrid event — virtual and in-person — and
> >trying to figure out how extensively if at all
> >we should follow the convention model.
> >
> >Cabeesh?  :))
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >>On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:30 PM, Henry Mensch
> >><he...@n6hcm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Not having attended before, I have to ask why

Re: [Swlfest] THE WINTER SWL FEST IS MOVING DATES !!!!!

2024-01-13 Thread Ed 
The 'elephant in the room' in this email thread 
is the stark reality that without a sufficient 
number of booked hotel rooms, we can't have the 
conference facilities we want. That's how 
hotel/conference facilities do business. Rich and 
John have ably juggled these requirements for 
many years--and a lot of other SWLfest 
organization details--extremely well, in my 
opinion.  It's a huge labor of love for them.


The industry term for this business model is 
often called "heads in beds": a group of people 
must book a certain minimum number of hotel rooms 
to subsidize the conference facilities the group wants to use.


Example:  If we have 100 people pre-pay their 
hotel rooms at the DoubleTree, (I'm guessing on 
the actual number this year; it varies) then we 
can afford to use the conference facilities we 
want.  Otherwise, the conference admission fee 
would have to increased high enough to cover the 
unsubsidized cost of the conference facilities we 
want.  And if that higher admission fee is more 
than a certain number of people are willing to 
pay, then we can't have an in-person SWLfest there.


The virtual conference model we used in 2021-2023 
(necessarily due to the pandemic) taught us it 
brought attendees who otherwise couldn't afford 
to come, including some new presenters who made 
excellent presentations. So that's why Rich and 
John are considering a 'best of both' hybrid 
model this year with both in-person and virtual 
attendees. Doing that would bring even more 
operational and logistical challenges.


Pulling all this off so an in-person SWLFest is 
affordable for enough people, and has a full 
schedule of interesting presentations, seems more 
complicated than a Rubik's Cube!


If anyone's curious, here's the URL for a web 
page showing diagrams and specifications of the 
DoubleTree Plymouth Meeting conference 
facilities. (The Presidential Suite that we've 
used for our Hospitality Room since 2014 after I 
first suggested it in 2012 is not shown.)


https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/phlghdt-doubletree-suites-philadelphia-west/events/

So if we're looking at alternative venues, this 
info could be helpful in determining what might work for us.


-Ed Cummings



At 12:47 PM 1/13/2024, Dennis Dura wrote:


I'll add another 2¢ to what Fred said.

Knowing the Double Tree has had bumps over the 
years, and it wasn't their fault there was a Blizzard... it served well.


Plenty of decent eating nearby... Breakfast 
accomodated SWL Fest groups forming... You could 
chat with folks out in the common areas, and 
your room was right upstairs if you wanted a 
break. Radio-Hospitality suite too! tpo pay,






I'd say that a place like, if not exactly that 
place, would work best for the diverse attendees 
we have, that some of the other suggested venues could not offer.


Dennis

PS: Yes we would come down with the WinterFest 
crud from time to time post event too... but 
that's a function of groups of people together in the Winter.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 16:32 Fred Zalupski 
<fzalup...@gmail.com> wrote:
My $0.02... I would like to attend live and very 
much enjoy the "convention" model. Call me conventional.


I have complete faith in the Festmeisters' 
judgement and will be happy with the outcome, even if it's unconventional.


Happy New Year,

Fred

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:40 PM John A. 
Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
It’s not, really.  The event hLOGNULL 
NowTransReader::ReadIt() 
JJFileMT::Truncate(1332873208) LOGNULL 
NowTransReader::ReadIt() JJFileMT::Truncate(0) 
as always had a hospitality suite where snacks 
and beverages including beer but also several 
non-alcohol options including water have been stocked.  That’s why it came up.


This is a different challenge this time.  In the 
pre-covid era covering about 30 years, the event 
was held convention-style — self-contained in a 
hotel where most registrants stayed and included 
a banquet the last night.  Now that we only had 
a “virtual” event on Zoom for the last 3 years 
we’re trying to gauge interest in having a 
hybrid event — virtual and in-person — and 
trying to figure out how extensively if at all 
we should follow the convention model.


Cabeesh?  :))

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:30 PM, Henry Mensch 
<he...@n6hcm.com> wrote:




Not having attended before, I have to ask why booze is required...

On January 9, 2024 08:32:07 Ron Hunsicker 
<ronhu...@ptd.net> wrote:

Public schools almost certainly will not allow booze.


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Re: [Swlfest] THE WINTER SWL FEST IS MOVING DATES !!!!!

2024-01-13 Thread Dennis Dura 
I'll add another 2¢ to what Fred said.

Knowing the Double Tree has had bumps over the years, and it wasn't their
fault there was a Blizzard... it served well.

Plenty of decent eating nearby... Breakfast accomodated SWL Fest groups
forming... You could chat with folks out in the common areas, and your room
was right upstairs if you wanted a break. Radio-Hospitality suite too!

I'd say that a place like, if not exactly that place, would work best for
the diverse attendees we have, that some of the other suggested venues
could not offer.

Dennis

PS: Yes we would come down with the WinterFest crud from time to time post
event too... but that's a function of groups of people together in the
Winter.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 16:32 Fred Zalupski  wrote:

> My $0.02... I would like to attend live and very much enjoy the
> "convention" model. Call me *conventional*.
>
> I have complete faith in the Festmeisters' judgement and will be happy
> with the outcome, even if it's *un*conventional.
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Fred
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:40 PM John A. Figliozzi 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s not, really.  The event has always had a hospitality suite where
>> snacks and beverages including beer but also several non-alcohol options
>> including water have been stocked.  That’s why it came up.
>>
>> This is a different challenge this time.  In the pre-covid era covering
>> about 30 years, the event was held convention-style — self-contained in a
>> hotel where most registrants stayed and included a banquet the last night.
>> Now that we only had a “virtual” event on Zoom for the last 3 years we’re
>> trying to gauge interest in having a hybrid event — virtual and in-person —
>> and trying to figure out how extensively if at all we should follow the
>> convention model.
>>
>> Cabeesh?  :))
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 2:30 PM, Henry Mensch  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Not having attended before, I have to ask why booze is required...
>>
>> On January 9, 2024 08:32:07 Ron Hunsicker  wrote:
>>
>>> Public schools almost certainly will not allow booze.
>>>
>>>
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