[sword-devel] PocketSword progress

[Michael Johnson]

So far, on my copy of PocketSword I have:

  * Updated to the latest Sword engine.
  * Switched from downloading indexes to generating them. (The time consumed is 
not unreasonable for this, now. Apple doesn't support the old, slow hardware 
that made this seem necessary in the first place.)

The list of stuff left to do is long, but at the top of the list is trying to 
correct the problem with the Crosswire Main repository not working. The index 
generation also needs some UI feedback. (It currently just appears to be frozen 
while generating the index, which is not very satisfactory.) Once I get those 
things done, and maybe a couple other tweaks, it might be worth an incremental 
release...

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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Michael Johnson]

For what it is worth (probably not much), I have a repeatable conversion script 
from Lockman markup (latest edition), and have converted the NASB 1995, the 
Amplified Bible, and 2 of their Spanish translations to Sword format and 
Browser Bible format. I threw the former away, for lack of permission to 
publish, and posted the latter on https://eBible.org/study/ and 
https://cyber.Bible/study/. The impression I got from Pike Lambeth was that the 
long delays and history with CrossWire had kind of soured things,
so I just dropped it with him and thanked him for the permission I got, which 
was only for those two specific web sites and that particular format. Anyway, 
the moral to this story is that we should not waste Bible copyright owner's 
time or promise to do something we cannot deliver in a timely manner.

I appreciate the ability to display a proprietary translation alongside the 
others on the same web page, but honestly, it kind of leaves me filling empty 
compared to what you can do with the freely distributable and sharable Bible 
translations that are Public Domain, Creative Commons licensed, or otherwise 
explicitly permitted for use in all Bible study apps and formats.

On 3/12/19 3:29 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Finally, I reluctantly bring up one very sore point of example:  Years
> ago Lockman was happy to sell their NASB Bible for our software with the
> process as described above.  They gave us their data, including a
> Spanish translation and their Greek and Hebrew lexicons, which they
> wanted us to convert.  Years went by with the conversion process
> changing at least 3 hands.  We attained a reasonable conversion for the
> Bible and permission to display this on our web study tool:
>
> http://crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?mod=NASBnew
>
> My requirements before release were:
>
> 1) a repeatable conversion script from Lockman provided data to SWORD module
>
> 2) successful conversion of all 4 data modules, as mentioned above
>
> 3) reasonable functionality on SWORDweb, BibleDesktop, Xiphos, and
> Bibletime.
>
> Each person taking up the conversion effort, including me at one point,
> stalled somewhere along the line.  I still have my repeatable conversion
> process for what you see at the link above (I am not sure if my effort
> was mod=NASB or mod=NASBnew or one other attempt), which works
> relatively well in SWORDweb.  I never worked on the lexica.  I think my
> script should work on the Spanish Bible.  I don' t remember which
> frontends reported that things were working.  At lease one person after
> me took up the effort when I stalled (Greg maybe?), Chris and DM had a
> go before me, I think.  This might be a bit of an exception, as the data
> Lockman gave us had a super odd encoding, especially for the lexica.  My
> personal feeling with regard to our failure as a team is that, to my
> knowledge, no one taking up the task reused the code from those who had
> gone before.  My conversion would have been make + sed + C++, I would
> guess DM would have used Java, Chris: perl, Greg... ???  Anyway, it
> wasn't an issue with the publisher.  They were happy to sell their text
> for our software.  They didn't even mind the single unlock key mechanism
> for all users, before we added the ability to generate unique keys for
> each user.
>
> Hope this explains a bit and doesn't open old wounds too widely,


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Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Dear Tobias,

I would encourage you to choose a specific Bible you would like to see
offered.  Contact the copyright holder and explain what we do, explain
that we would love for them to sell their own Bible for our software,
that we don't want any royalties for them to do this, and that we will
do all the legwork to make their text work with our software.  Then do
the legwork to get their data, convert it to a point where they are
happy with the display in most of our major frontends, encipher it with
our locking mechanism, and give them the unlock key to sell.  We're
happy to distribute the enciphered module for them, they simply need to
sell the unlock key from their website.  This is our current policy with
copyright holders.  I haven't had any copyright holder say they are not
interested in this process.  There may not be a problem to solve, just
work to do.

There are many issues with another organization selling Bibles for
CrossWire.  They would need to negotiate with copyright holders as if
they represent CrossWire.  All user support is likely to come to us, no
matter what arrangement is made. e.g., if a purchased module doesn't
work well in XXX frontend, they are users are almost certain to complain
to us or the publisher-- neither of which are actually involved in the
quality of the module.  Some have done this in the past with good
motives and not so good motives (making a markup profit for simply
selling others' Bibles running on others' software).  It messes up our
promoted strategy: let the publisher sell their own material, e.g., we
approach the publisher and explain to them how they can sell their own
Bibles and other material with no middle man, and they say, "Hey, I
thought we already had a deal with CrossWire."  We have always
discouraged 3rd parties from trying to sell both our software and also
other's material for our software.

Anyway, the point is, there are a ton of emails about this over the past
20 years.  You can read them all on our mailing list archives.  It comes
up quite often.  I believe we have a good plan and an accepted software
solution to the problem.  The bottom line is that most of us are
working, as Michael Johnson says, primarily to bring the Word of God
freely to the lost who can't otherwise read and study the Word of God--
it is not most of our volunteers' goal to accomplish this.

Finally, I reluctantly bring up one very sore point of example:  Years
ago Lockman was happy to sell their NASB Bible for our software with the
process as described above.  They gave us their data, including a
Spanish translation and their Greek and Hebrew lexicons, which they
wanted us to convert.  Years went by with the conversion process
changing at least 3 hands.  We attained a reasonable conversion for the
Bible and permission to display this on our web study tool:

http://crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?mod=NASBnew

My requirements before release were:

1) a repeatable conversion script from Lockman provided data to SWORD module

2) successful conversion of all 4 data modules, as mentioned above

3) reasonable functionality on SWORDweb, BibleDesktop, Xiphos, and
Bibletime.

Each person taking up the conversion effort, including me at one point,
stalled somewhere along the line.  I still have my repeatable conversion
process for what you see at the link above (I am not sure if my effort
was mod=NASB or mod=NASBnew or one other attempt), which works
relatively well in SWORDweb.  I never worked on the lexica.  I think my
script should work on the Spanish Bible.  I don' t remember which
frontends reported that things were working.  At lease one person after
me took up the effort when I stalled (Greg maybe?), Chris and DM had a
go before me, I think.  This might be a bit of an exception, as the data
Lockman gave us had a super odd encoding, especially for the lexica.  My
personal feeling with regard to our failure as a team is that, to my
knowledge, no one taking up the task reused the code from those who had
gone before.  My conversion would have been make + sed + C++, I would
guess DM would have used Java, Chris: perl, Greg... ???  Anyway, it
wasn't an issue with the publisher.  They were happy to sell their text
for our software.  They didn't even mind the single unlock key mechanism
for all users, before we added the ability to generate unique keys for
each user.

Hope this explains a bit and doesn't open old wounds too widely,

Troy


On 3/12/19 4:51 PM, Michael Johnson wrote:
> On 3/10/19 7:56 PM, Tobias Klein wrote:
>> On 10.03.19 21:50, Michael Johnson wrote:
>>> I am well aware that this does not address the preference majority language 
>>> speakers may have for certain modern copyrighted proprietary Bible 
>>> translations. The best solution for access to those is to figure out a way 
>>> to pay for those. This is not unreasonable. One of my few contributions to 
>>> the Sword Project code was the encryption code used for locked modules for 
>>> sale. However, the 

Re: [sword-devel] New/modern (copyrighted) bible translations

[Michael Johnson]

On 3/10/19 7:56 PM, Tobias Klein wrote:
> On 10.03.19 21:50, Michael Johnson wrote:
>> I am well aware that this does not address the preference majority language 
>> speakers may have for certain modern copyrighted proprietary Bible 
>> translations. The best solution for access to those is to figure out a way 
>> to pay for those. This is not unreasonable. One of my few contributions to 
>> the Sword Project code was the encryption code used for locked modules for 
>> sale. However, the current model for selling modules excludes the Crosswire 
>> Bible Society, which actually doesn't handle money. I could through
>> eBible.org, but I would need help with that.
>
> Thanks for the clarification regarding DBL, Michael - that is very helpful! 
> Do you know of any projects that sell non-free translations for the purpose 
> of using them in an open source product?

Those exist, but are rare. In general, proprietary Bible translation copyright 
owners are wary of anything open source. I can think of a couple of examples 
off of the top of my head: the NASB on https://eBible.org/study/, the NIV and 
NASB on https://InScript.org. These are open source software (InScript, AKA 
BrowserBible) hosting some commercial Bible translations. In the case of the 
NIV, some money changes hands, but not from the end user.

There is some software that is given away at no cost to the end user, but which 
is not open source, that has had greater success, like YouVersion. YouVersion, 
however, does cost a great deal of money, and there are some back room deals I 
don't know the details of to get some of the translations on there. Much of it 
is bartering translation use for customer contact information and advertising 
value. This is a reasonable approach for a segment of the Bible study app 
"market". It just happens to not fall
within the scope of what I do with eBible.org and CrossWire, which is all about 
free, unencumbered access to the Word of God in as many languages as we can 
provide, with special attention to those in creative access areas and those who 
may have Internet access, but no credit cards.

> I have only seen non-free translations in commercial bible software so far.
>
> So, if I understood you correctly, the availability of specific non-free 
> bible translations for use in an open source product would still depend on 
> individual negotiation efforts with the respective bible societies?

YES.


>
> If I and/or others would want to pursue that route - do you have any other 
> recommendations, specifically regarding the negotiation process?

Use godly wisdom. I'm too tired of the rejection to do much more of that. I 
have had some great successes, like with the Tok Pisin Bible, but that took 
literally years to do and is not something that is repeatable in the same way 
due to changes in the organizations and personnel.

If God is calling you to do that, though, don't let me dissuade you. Just don't 
expect me to join in that particular battle with you. ;-)


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Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[David Haslam]

One point that Tobias may have not yet have become aware of is the existence of 
the STEP Bible ministry of Tyndale House, Cambridge.

Some modern copyrighted Bibles are already available in SWORD format through 
STEP Bible.

It’s just that some of these modules have only been licensed to be distributed 
by STEP rather than by CrossWire.

And so far, the STEP team has not created a proper modules repository that can 
be accessed by other front-end apps.

STEP is based on JSword.

Regards,

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:47, Greg Hellings  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 5:34 PM Peter von Kaehne  wrote:
>
>> I would actively oppose this proposal.
>>
>> Leaving aside a few popular but otherwise irrelevant texts (NIV etc)
>
> Why do you say "irrelevant", when there are regular requests from people - 
> both like Tobais as well as people more meekly asking in other fora - for 
> exactly that module (and others; NRSV is of keen interest to me along with 
> the Jerusalem/New Jerusalem Bibles and a UBS 5th ed complete with apparatus). 
> What is "irrelevant" about a module that users are requesting?
>
> --Greg
>
>> there is nothing gained in this proposal. I do not want us to sell
>> texts and by and large we get the texts we really want or need for
>> free.
>>
>> DBL is a matter of concern - agreed. But not the rest.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 22:19 +, David Haslam wrote:
>>> I first had to learn what the jargon meant - which just about
>>> demonstrated that there are some aspects of this proposal for which
>>> I’m not ideally suited.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer?wprov=sfti1
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:11, Tobias Klein 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be
>>> > interested in actively supporting the following idea:
>>> >
>>> > - Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible
>>> > translations as locked Sword modules
>>> > - Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The
>>> > Digital Bible Library (DBL)
>>> > - Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for
>>> > distributing specific non-free Bible translations
>>> > - Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically
>>> > creating locked Sword modules
>>> >
>>> > Anyone interested? We would need:
>>> > - People who handle communication/negotiation
>>> > - People who know how to set up an online platform (ideally with
>>> > web programming skills)
>>> > - People who create the software that creates sword modules from
>>> > the DBL REST API.
>>> > - People with admin/accounting skills
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Tobias
>>>
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Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[Michael H]

I'm not really interested in accessing DBL content from within Sword that
isn't already provided. I don't think there's a lot there beside maybe 10
English works, and a few top European language works that we don't already
have access to.

I AM interested in the locked databases of *Logos* and *Accordance* being
available for the sword platform (cost or no cost.) If I had disposable
income, some items from those libraries would be a priority. To be clear,
Bibles that have a locked license on them tend to promote that ideal inside
them. While there are a few gaps in modern 'idealogy' on sword, there isn't
any critical loss of scriptural knowledge. However, even a half step away
from scripture itself (a Strongs dictionary less than 100 years old for
instance) IS something worth spending money on, and the worker is worth
their pay in these cases. However, that's not the focus of the DBL. If you
focus on the peripherals to scripture, and not on scripture itself, you'll
find warmer reception from consumers.

Good luck on getting copyright holders that aren't already embracing the
information age to do so.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 5:44 PM David Haslam  wrote:

> Peter,
>
> If I understand Tobias aright 
>
> It wouldn’t be CrossWire selling the copyright modules.
>
> A new ministry would be set up.
>
> All we’d need to do at some stage is to add their repository to our Master
> Repos List.
>
> Tobias can readily clarify if I’ve missed the main gist of his proposal.
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:32, Peter von Kaehne  wrote:
>
> I would actively oppose this proposal.
>
> Leaving aside a few popular but otherwise irrelevant texts (NIV etc)
> there is nothing gained in this proposal. I do not want us to sell
> texts and by and large we get the texts we really want or need for
> free.
>
> DBL is a matter of concern - agreed. But not the rest.
>
> Peter
>
> On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 22:19 +, David Haslam wrote:
> > I first had to learn what the jargon meant - which just about
> > demonstrated that there are some aspects of this proposal for which
> > I’m not ideally suited.
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer?wprov=sfti1
> >
> > David
> >
> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:11, Tobias Klein 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be
> > > interested in actively supporting the following idea:
> > >
> > > - Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible
> > > translations as locked Sword modules
> > > - Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The
> > > Digital Bible Library (DBL)
> > > - Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for
> > > distributing specific non-free Bible translations
> > > - Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically
> > > creating locked Sword modules
> > >
> > > Anyone interested? We would need:
> > > - People who handle communication/negotiation
> > > - People who know how to set up an online platform (ideally with
> > > web programming skills)
> > > - People who create the software that creates sword modules from
> > > the DBL REST API.
> > > - People with admin/accounting skills
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Tobias
> >
> >
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Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[Greg Hellings]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 5:34 PM Peter von Kaehne  wrote:

> I would actively oppose this proposal.
>
> Leaving aside a few popular but otherwise irrelevant texts (NIV etc)
>

Why do you say "irrelevant", when there are regular requests from people -
both like Tobais as well as people more meekly asking in other fora - for
exactly that module (and others; NRSV is of keen interest to me along with
the Jerusalem/New Jerusalem Bibles and a UBS 5th ed complete with
apparatus). What is "irrelevant" about a module that users are requesting?

--Greg

there is nothing gained in this proposal. I do not want us to sell
> texts and by and large we get the texts we really want or need for
> free.
>
> DBL is a matter of concern - agreed. But not the rest.
>
> Peter
>
> On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 22:19 +, David Haslam wrote:
> > I first had to learn what the jargon meant - which just about
> > demonstrated that there are some aspects of this proposal for which
> > I’m not ideally suited.
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer?wprov=sfti1
> >
> > David
> >
> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:11, Tobias Klein 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be
> > > interested in actively supporting the following idea:
> > >
> > > - Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible
> > > translations as locked Sword modules
> > > - Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The
> > > Digital Bible Library (DBL)
> > > - Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for
> > > distributing specific non-free Bible translations
> > > - Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically
> > > creating locked Sword modules
> > >
> > > Anyone interested? We would need:
> > > - People who handle communication/negotiation
> > > - People who know how to set up an online platform (ideally with
> > > web programming skills)
> > > - People who create the software that creates sword modules from
> > > the DBL REST API.
> > > - People with admin/accounting skills
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Tobias
> >
> >
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Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[Greg Hellings]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 5:12 PM Tobias Klein  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be
> interested in actively supporting the following idea:
>
> - Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible translations
> as locked Sword modules
>

This is, technically, trivial. I've created at least two functional POCs in
the past that would create a customized download with a uniquely locked key
for every "purchaser" (the POC part came in that it didn't actually
transact money).

- Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The Digital
> Bible Library (DBL)
>

Sounds like a lot of paperwork.

- Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for distributing
> specific non-free Bible translations
>

Sounds like even more paperwork.

- Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically
> creating locked Sword modules
>

If the DBL's REST API is reasonable and well-behaved, this would be a very
simple task as well. The programmatic creation of SWORD modules from
pre-parsed text is very simple and straightforward (the biggest
complexities in our module creation process comes from the rigid nature of
how we store scriptures on disk vs the great freedoms we offer to module
creators in the XML we accept and in the parsing of the XML).


> Anyone interested? We would need:
>

I am keenly interested. I believe that lack of modern English translations
is a huge detriment to the SWORD ecosystem. It's one of the main reasons I
don't use any of our apps on a regular basis. The only thing that has
stopped me, in the past, has been the social back pressure from other
members of the CrossWire community who, for reasons still opaque to me,
oppose the existence of a separate entity that is not affiliated with
CrossWire that distributes for-pay SWORD modules.

Since I have print copies of all the modern English translations I want, I
have no true pressing need for such to exist, as much as I really wish it
did. Thus, rather than fly in the face of others in the community to
scratch my own personal itch, I have opted against such and continue to
solely use dead tree editions for reading and studying and limit my digital
interactions to search.

I foresee that you'll also find that many of our core, active members are
still of the opinion that such an entity would be a negative thing. As I
mentioned, I do not comprehend their objections but have not made a strong
effort to really find out why their objection exists. It would, for me, be
nothing more than a pet project more answering the question of, "Is it
possible, technically", and that answer has already been given by my POCs
for me.

--Greg
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Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[David Haslam]

Peter,

If I understand Tobias aright 

It wouldn’t be CrossWire selling the copyright modules.

A new ministry would be set up.

All we’d need to do at some stage is to add their repository to our Master 
Repos List.

Tobias can readily clarify if I’ve missed the main gist of his proposal.

David

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:32, Peter von Kaehne  wrote:

> I would actively oppose this proposal.
>
> Leaving aside a few popular but otherwise irrelevant texts (NIV etc)
> there is nothing gained in this proposal. I do not want us to sell
> texts and by and large we get the texts we really want or need for
> free.
>
> DBL is a matter of concern - agreed. But not the rest.
>
> Peter
>
> On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 22:19 +, David Haslam wrote:
>> I first had to learn what the jargon meant - which just about
>> demonstrated that there are some aspects of this proposal for which
>> I’m not ideally suited.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer?wprov=sfti1
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:11, Tobias Klein 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be
>> > interested in actively supporting the following idea:
>> >
>> > - Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible
>> > translations as locked Sword modules
>> > - Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The
>> > Digital Bible Library (DBL)
>> > - Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for
>> > distributing specific non-free Bible translations
>> > - Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically
>> > creating locked Sword modules
>> >
>> > Anyone interested? We would need:
>> > - People who handle communication/negotiation
>> > - People who know how to set up an online platform (ideally with
>> > web programming skills)
>> > - People who create the software that creates sword modules from
>> > the DBL REST API.
>> > - People with admin/accounting skills
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Tobias
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Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[Peter von Kaehne]

I would actively oppose this proposal. 

Leaving aside a few popular but otherwise irrelevant texts (NIV etc)
there is nothing gained in this proposal. I do not want us to sell
texts and by and large we get the texts we really want or need for
free. 

DBL is a matter of concern - agreed. But not the rest. 

Peter

On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 22:19 +, David Haslam wrote:
> I first had to learn what the jargon meant - which just about
> demonstrated that there are some aspects of this proposal for which
> I’m not ideally suited. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer?wprov=sfti1
> 
> David
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:11, Tobias Klein 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be
> > interested in actively supporting the following idea:
> > 
> > - Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible
> > translations as locked Sword modules
> > - Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The
> > Digital Bible Library (DBL)
> > - Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for
> > distributing specific non-free Bible translations
> > - Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically
> > creating locked Sword modules
> > 
> > Anyone interested? We would need:
> > - People who handle communication/negotiation
> > - People who know how to set up an online platform (ideally with
> > web programming skills)
> > - People who create the software that creates sword modules from
> > the DBL REST API.
> > - People with admin/accounting skills
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Tobias
> 
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Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[David Haslam]

I first had to learn what the jargon meant - which just about demonstrated that 
there are some aspects of this proposal for which I’m not ideally suited.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_state_transfer?wprov=sfti1

David

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 22:11, Tobias Klein  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be interested 
> in actively supporting the following idea:
>
> - Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible translations as 
> locked Sword modules
> - Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The Digital 
> Bible Library (DBL)
> - Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for distributing 
> specific non-free Bible translations
> - Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically creating 
> locked Sword modules
>
> Anyone interested? We would need:
> - People who handle communication/negotiation
> - People who know how to set up an online platform (ideally with web 
> programming skills)
> - People who create the software that creates sword modules from the DBL REST 
> API.
> - People with admin/accounting skills
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias___
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[sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

[Tobias Klein]

Hi,

I'm following up on the last thread that I started. Who would be interested in 
actively supporting the following idea:

- Develop/set up an online platform that sells non-free Bible translations as 
locked Sword modules
- Establish a non-profit that becomes a Library Card Holder @ The Digital Bible 
Library (DBL)
- Negotiate with Bible Societies to actually get licenses for distributing 
specific non-free Bible translations
- Develop a software that uses the DBL's REST API for automatically creating 
locked Sword modules

Anyone interested? We would need:
- People who handle communication/negotiation
- People who know how to set up an online platform (ideally with web 
programming skills)
- People who create the software that creates sword modules from the DBL REST 
API.
- People with admin/accounting skills

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Re: [sword-devel] Please pass the PocketSword pumpkin.

[ref...@gmx.net]

Anyone can take the code and run with it, including rebranding it. That is one of the points of GPL. But surely the best is to do exactly as Nic suggested, get a CrossWire corporate Apple ID, transfer ownership of the project and upgrade from there. That would mean a seamless update path for usersSent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. Original Message Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Please pass the PocketSword pumpkin.From: Manfred Bergmann To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum CC: Hi.I think, if you plan on putting this to the Apple Store, then you either need a new ‚bundle Id‘ which you have control over, or have Nic push it to the store under the current ‚bundle Id‘.Manfred> Am 12.03.2019 um 08:37 schrieb David Haslam :> > Thanks Michael,> > Surely there’s no need to “rebrand it”?> What prompted this mention?> What did you actually mean by ‘rebrand’?> > Was the trial compile done with the latest release of the SWORD API source code?> cf.  PS 1.4.8 did not support SWORD 1.8 so modules using one of the 3 new v11ns for French Bibles ended up with offsets. > > Best regards,> > David> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 06:22, Michael Johnson  wrote:>> Hello, Nic & all.>> >> I downloaded the PocketSword source code, updated it so that it would compile with the current XCode and run on an iPhone XR simulator, and started fixing some of its issues. This seemed to me to be preferable to seeing that program fade away due to not keeping up with the ever-changing environment. I'm pretty sure I can come up with an update that is helpful.>> >> Nic, I understand that you are busy with other priorities, now, but please know that many of us greatly appreciate the work you have done in the past on PocketSword. I don't know how much involvement you would like in the transition. It can be pretty much as little or as much as you like. If I just fork the code and rebrand it, then you really don't need to do anything at all.>> >> Your thoughts?>> >> -- >> Aloha,>> Michael Johnson>> PO BOX 881143 • PUKALANI HI 96788-1143 • USA>> mljohnson.org • Phone: +1 808-333-6921 • Skype: kahunapule>> > > > ___> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page___sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.orghttp://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-develInstructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page___
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Re: [sword-devel] Please pass the PocketSword pumpkin.

[Manfred Bergmann]

Hi.

I think, if you plan on putting this to the Apple Store, then you either need a 
new ‚bundle Id‘ which you have control over, or have Nic push it to the store 
under the current ‚bundle Id‘.


Manfred


> Am 12.03.2019 um 08:37 schrieb David Haslam :
> 
> Thanks Michael,
> 
> Surely there’s no need to “rebrand it”?
> What prompted this mention?
> What did you actually mean by ‘rebrand’?
> 
> Was the trial compile done with the latest release of the SWORD API source 
> code?
> cf.  PS 1.4.8 did not support SWORD 1.8 so modules using one of the 3 new 
> v11ns for French Bibles ended up with offsets. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 06:22, Michael Johnson  wrote:
>> Hello, Nic & all.
>> 
>> I downloaded the PocketSword source code, updated it so that it would 
>> compile with the current XCode and run on an iPhone XR simulator, and 
>> started fixing some of its issues. This seemed to me to be preferable to 
>> seeing that program fade away due to not keeping up with the ever-changing 
>> environment. I'm pretty sure I can come up with an update that is helpful.
>> 
>> Nic, I understand that you are busy with other priorities, now, but please 
>> know that many of us greatly appreciate the work you have done in the past 
>> on PocketSword. I don't know how much involvement you would like in the 
>> transition. It can be pretty much as little or as much as you like. If I 
>> just fork the code and rebrand it, then you really don't need to do anything 
>> at all.
>> 
>> Your thoughts?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Aloha,
>> Michael Johnson
>> PO BOX 881143 • PUKALANI HI 96788-1143 • USA
>> mljohnson.org • Phone: +1 808-333-6921 • Skype: kahunapule
>> 
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Re: [sword-devel] Please pass the PocketSword pumpkin.

[David Haslam]

Thanks Michael,

Surely there’s no need to “rebrand it”?
What prompted this mention?
What did you actually mean by ‘rebrand’?

Was the trial compile done with the latest release of the SWORD API source code?
cf.  PS 1.4.8 did not support SWORD 1.8 so modules using one of the 3 new v11ns 
for French Bibles ended up with offsets.

Best regards,

David

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 06:22, Michael Johnson  wrote:

> Hello, Nic & all.
>
> I downloaded the PocketSword source code, updated it so that it would compile 
> with the current XCode and run on an iPhone XR simulator, and started fixing 
> some of its issues. This seemed to me to be preferable to seeing that program 
> fade away due to not keeping up with the ever-changing environment. I'm 
> pretty sure I can come up with an update that is helpful.
>
> Nic, I understand that you are busy with other priorities, now, but please 
> know that many of us greatly appreciate the work you have done in the past on 
> PocketSword. I don't know how much involvement you would like in the 
> transition. It can be pretty much as little or as much as you like. If I just 
> fork the code and rebrand it, then you really don't need to do anything at 
> all.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> --
>
> Aloha,
> Michael Johnson
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[sword-devel] Please pass the PocketSword pumpkin.

[Michael Johnson]

Hello, Nic & all.

I downloaded the PocketSword source code, updated it so that it would compile 
with the current XCode and run on an iPhone XR simulator, and started fixing 
some of its issues. This seemed to me to be preferable to seeing that program 
fade away due to not keeping up with the ever-changing environment. I'm pretty 
sure I can come up with an update that is helpful.

Nic, I understand that you are busy with other priorities, now, but please know 
that many of us greatly appreciate the work you have done in the past on 
PocketSword. I don't know how much involvement you would like in the 
transition. It can be pretty much as little or as much as you like. If I just 
fork the code and rebrand it, then you really don't need to do anything at all.

Your thoughts?

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