Re: [sword-devel] Where does Bishop store SWORD files on Android?

[David Haslam]

Aside:

I suppose there’s no chance that Bishop for iOS/iPadOS could share modules 
installed by PocketSword?

Correct me if I’m wrong.

David

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On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 20:07, Tobias Klein  wrote:

> Hi Troy!
>
> Happy new year!
>
> Where does Bishop store the SWORD data files on Android? I was browsing the 
> filesystem but could not find the respective directory.
>
> I am asking because I am working on Android support for node-sword-interface 
> and I wanted to align this and use a common place for the SWORD data files. 
> So far I thought /sdcard/sword would be the right place.
>
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[sword-devel] Windows tools

[Greg Hellings]

For those of you insistent on using Windows for module work, here's the
latest build of SWORD tools for Windows based on 1.9.0.

https://github.com/devroles/mingw_sword_package/releases/tag/1.9.0a

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Re: [sword-devel] Standalone works

[Michael H]

The more advanced works like "Bible Hermeneutics"... yeah that's a good fit
for some current sword repository. If I ever get around to uploading ebooks
of that, sword is on my radar.

However, the master plan I envision is a complete enough library that
Bible literacy is self-sustaining.  Not only college level works, but works
for all reading levels everything from basic literacy to works for learning
impaired.  I publish other works like Kindergarten lessons  (K-12 Sunday
school lesson books from the New York Diocese of the Anglican Church circa
1910.)

While I'd like to be able to have these in a sword front end so the
scripture references can be available on a small screen format, with easy
options to get back to the lesson...

 I don't see this wider list would fall into "core" Sword needs, or be
useful taking up slots in the currently unsortable list of "other works"
that the Sword library system offers. Someone looking at potentially
downloading Sword, or looking from their Bible on phone "what else can I
read"... they  won't see gradeschool sunday school lesson books and think
"hey I want to study the bible with that." But if I list Sword as an output
on a complete sunday school curriculum for all grades, then some teacher
might see it and say, "Hey I can load that into sword and don't have to
switch between apps on my phone to read the scripture references."

And while I'm publishing English works now, my ultimate goal is that these
(the lessons for gradeschool ages/reading levels) are translated into many
languages. And an interface like sword with it's already pretty deep
library and offline capability is right inline with the ultimate goal...
but the library for 'other' works as it is just doesn't work.. and as I
described, I don't think it needs to... the works should point people to
Sword apps as an option... and where it makes sense the app should provide
adult level study works as an option in the library.


On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:35 PM Greg Hellings 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:22 PM Michael H  wrote:
>
>> re: Install Sword Files
>>
>> (Is/Can) a file extension for standalone Sword files be assigned?  No
>> change to the current format within the zip file, but a unique file
>> extension instead of .zip would allow filesystem handlers to be able to
>> sent the files into the programs on download, or doubleclick.
>>
>
> The engine has no support for wrangling .zip files. I thought I heard
> rumor of a front end that did, but I wouldn't swear to it
>
>
>> The other half of this request: Is there any existing program that
>> handles linked files on startup/passover in this way: tread ".swd" files
>> like a .zipped module?
>>
>
> If any app has support for those zipped files it *might* be Xiphos? But
> please don't quote me on that.
>
>
>> I'd like to produce standalone works (non-scripture study materials) that
>> link to scripture.  Actually I already am producing these... they are just
>> currently in pdf form only. I'd like to produce them for sword, but "books"
>> as a single category doesn't seem to be able to handle the library I'm
>> building... It makes more sense to me to offer the works as an option on a
>> library, rather than reproduce the library in an expanded sword repo.
>>
>
> Any reason to not distribute each collection as a separate repository and
> offer the files in the same way they are now?
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Standalone works

[Greg Hellings]

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:22 PM Michael H  wrote:

> re: Install Sword Files
>
> (Is/Can) a file extension for standalone Sword files be assigned?  No
> change to the current format within the zip file, but a unique file
> extension instead of .zip would allow filesystem handlers to be able to
> sent the files into the programs on download, or doubleclick.
>

The engine has no support for wrangling .zip files. I thought I heard rumor
of a front end that did, but I wouldn't swear to it


> The other half of this request: Is there any existing program that handles
> linked files on startup/passover in this way: tread ".swd" files like a
> .zipped module?
>

If any app has support for those zipped files it *might* be Xiphos? But
please don't quote me on that.


> I'd like to produce standalone works (non-scripture study materials) that
> link to scripture.  Actually I already am producing these... they are just
> currently in pdf form only. I'd like to produce them for sword, but "books"
> as a single category doesn't seem to be able to handle the library I'm
> building... It makes more sense to me to offer the works as an option on a
> library, rather than reproduce the library in an expanded sword repo.
>

Any reason to not distribute each collection as a separate repository and
offer the files in the same way they are now?

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Re: [sword-devel] Where does Bishop store SWORD files on Android?

[Timmy]

FYI all, Android has made some storage changes in Android 10, and even more
restricted in 11. I have not gotten to the bottom of it myself but you can
read about the changes here:
https://developer.android.com/about/versions/10/privacy/changes#scoped-storage
https://developer.android.com/about/versions/11/privacy/storage



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On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:04 PM Troy A. Griffitts 
wrote:

> Hmmm. That's odd. If you can adb logcat your tablet while it is plugged
> into your laptop and have a look at the output when Bishop starts up, it
> might give us a clue. Bishop is pretty noisy to the logs. The detection
> logic is located in init(), here:
>
> https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/bindings/java-jni/jni/swordstub.cpp
>
>
>
> On January 1, 2021 2:18:29 PM MST, Tobias Klein 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Troy!
>>
>> I see this working with Bishop on my phone (Android 8.1.0). There Bishop
>> reads from and writes to /sdcard/sword.
>>
>> However, it is not working on my Tablet (Android 10). I do have SWORD
>> directories there with this structure:
>> /sdcard/sword
>> /sdcard/sword/installMgr
>> /sdcard/sword/mods.d
>> /sdcard/sword/modules
>>
>> When starting Bishop on the Tablet it asks for permissions and after
>> confirmation it does not show any existing modules based on the structure
>> above.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tobias
>>
>> Am 1. Januar 2021 21:34:00 schrieb "Troy A. Griffitts" <
>> scr...@crosswire.org>:
>>
>>> Yes, that's exactly right. Upon install, Bishop asks for permissions to
>>> read and right files to /sdcard/sword/. If it is able, it does, if not, it
>>> writes to its app’s private data area.
>>>
>>> I don't believe there is anything like this available on iOS, but I am
>>> no expert. I would be interested to learn how iOS handles other common data
>>> files which have multiple apps needing the ability to read and write, like
>>> photos.
>>>
>>> Thanks for wanting to coordinate on where files are stored.
>>>
>>> Troy
>>>
>>> On January 1, 2021 1:07:16 PM MST, Tobias Klein 
>>> wrote:

 Hi Troy!

 Happy new year!

 Where does Bishop store the SWORD data files on Android? I was browsing
 the filesystem but could not find the respective directory.

 I am asking because I am working on Android support for
 node-sword-interface and I wanted to align this and use a common place for
 the SWORD data files. So far I thought /sdcard/sword would be the right
 place.

 Best regards,
 Tobias

>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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[sword-devel] Standalone works

[Michael H]

re: Install Sword Files

(Is/Can) a file extension for standalone Sword files be assigned?  No
change to the current format within the zip file, but a unique file
extension instead of .zip would allow filesystem handlers to be able to
sent the files into the programs on download, or doubleclick.

The other half of this request: Is there any existing program that handles
linked files on startup/passover in this way: tread ".swd" files like a
.zipped module?

I'd like to produce standalone works (non-scripture study materials) that
link to scripture.  Actually I already am producing these... they are just
currently in pdf form only. I'd like to produce them for sword, but "books"
as a single category doesn't seem to be able to handle the library I'm
building... It makes more sense to me to offer the works as an option on a
library, rather than reproduce the library in an expanded sword repo.
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Re: [sword-devel] Where does Bishop store SWORD files on Android?

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Hmmm. That's odd. If you can adb logcat your tablet while it is plugged into 
your laptop and have a look at the output when Bishop starts up, it might give 
us a clue. Bishop is pretty noisy to the logs. The detection logic is located 
in init(), here:

https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/bindings/java-jni/jni/swordstub.cpp



On January 1, 2021 2:18:29 PM MST, Tobias Klein  wrote:
>Thanks Troy!
>
>
>I see this working with Bishop on my phone (Android 8.1.0). There
>Bishop 
>reads from and writes to /sdcard/sword.
>
>However, it is not working on my Tablet (Android 10). I do have SWORD 
>directories there with this structure:
>/sdcard/sword
>/sdcard/sword/installMgr
>/sdcard/sword/mods.d
>/sdcard/sword/modules
>
>When starting Bishop on the Tablet it asks for permissions and after 
>confirmation it does not show any existing modules based on the
>structure 
>above.
>
>Best regards,
>Tobias
>
>Am 1. Januar 2021 21:34:00 schrieb "Troy A. Griffitts"
>:
>> Yes, that's exactly right. Upon install, Bishop asks for permissions
>to 
>> read and right files to /sdcard/sword/. If it is able, it does, if
>not, it 
>> writes to its app’s private data area.
>>
>> I don't believe there is anything like this available on iOS, but I
>am no 
>> expert. I would be interested to learn how iOS handles other common
>data 
>> files which have multiple apps needing the ability to read and write,
>like 
>> photos.
>>
>> Thanks for wanting to coordinate on where files are stored.
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>> On January 1, 2021 1:07:16 PM MST, Tobias Klein 
>wrote:
>> Hi Troy!
>>
>> Happy new year!
>>
>> Where does Bishop store the SWORD data files on Android? I was
>browsing the 
>> filesystem but could not find the respective directory.
>>
>> I am asking because I am working on Android support for 
>> node-sword-interface and I wanted to align this and use a common
>place for 
>> the SWORD data files. So far I thought /sdcard/sword would be the
>right place.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tobias
>>
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[sword-devel] News from STEP Bible

[David Haslam]

Below is pasted from Facebook - FYI.

New Bibles in STEPBible!

Most people in the world speak at least two languages - their mother tongue and 
a majority language. They need the second language to learn at school, haggle 
in the market, and (often) to read their Bible. We'd like to give everyone a 
Bible in their mother tongue, but in the meantime, everyone can read it in an 
up-to-date version of their majority language - thanks to Biblica.

Biblica, The International Bible Society, is working with STEPBible to include 
all their majority-language Bibles in STEPBible to augment other traditional 
Bibles already available in these languages. These are currently available 
through the free website at www.stepbible.org and will later be available for 
the downloaded STEPBible offline version for those that have limited or no 
Internet service. This is especially important in the disadvantaged world which 
is STEPBible's primary target. STEPBible's free distribution policy coheres 
with Biblica's aim to make their Bibles available to all who wish to read them, 
especially new generations who have not yet discovered Jesus
Biblica owns and curates the NIV to ensure it keeps up with research and 
language changes. They aim to translate the Bible as accurately and 
idiomatically as a United Nations translator. For example, they changed the 
word 'booty' to 'plunder', and 'aliens' to ‘landless immigrants’. Biblica also 
supports about a hundred translation committees in other languages. These 
committees work on Bibles in 'majority' languages - i.e., the languages 
understood by the majority of people in the world. Those who speak minority 
languages are usually bilingual - they have to be - because they also need to 
know a majority language. So these majority languages are closer to being their 
‘own’ language than a second language normally is.

These translations now available in STEPBible, like the NIV, are written in a 
contemporary version of the language, without confusing out-of-date 
terminology. Often a strict word-to-word translation is useful when studying 
the underlying Hebrew or Greek. At other times it is useful to read a 
contemporary language translation that is straightforward to help to understand 
a Bible passage. STEPBible can show both types of Bibles side by side, with 
links to the original vocabulary they are translating, and tools to investigate 
them deeply.

The best of all Bible reading experiences is therefore now freely available in 
STEPBible. Everyone can read an easy-to-understand Bible in a majority language 
accessible to them, alongside translations that reflect word order and language 
traits of the underlying Hebrew and Greek. This is the best way to read the 
Bible you love, and to study words in depth when you come across something 
intriguing.

We would love to learn about how you are using STEPBible. Your feedback will 
help us to develop and enhance its capabilities. Please respond with a note on 
how you use STEPBible. What ideas do you have to make STEPBible better? Do you 
know missionaries, church communities, or others who would benefit from 
STEPBible? If you haven't already, please tell them about this resource. Would 
you like to help mature STEPBible? Let us know what you're good at. We 
particularly need help with translations into other languages.

Every blessing
David Instone-Brewer and the rest of the STEPBible team.

Here’s the link to the post.
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Re: [sword-devel] Where does Bishop store SWORD files on Android?

[Tobias Klein]

Thanks Troy!


I see this working with Bishop on my phone (Android 8.1.0). There Bishop 
reads from and writes to /sdcard/sword.


However, it is not working on my Tablet (Android 10). I do have SWORD 
directories there with this structure:

/sdcard/sword
/sdcard/sword/installMgr
/sdcard/sword/mods.d
/sdcard/sword/modules

When starting Bishop on the Tablet it asks for permissions and after 
confirmation it does not show any existing modules based on the structure 
above.


Best regards,
Tobias

Am 1. Januar 2021 21:34:00 schrieb "Troy A. Griffitts" :
Yes, that's exactly right. Upon install, Bishop asks for permissions to 
read and right files to /sdcard/sword/. If it is able, it does, if not, it 
writes to its app’s private data area.


I don't believe there is anything like this available on iOS, but I am no 
expert. I would be interested to learn how iOS handles other common data 
files which have multiple apps needing the ability to read and write, like 
photos.


Thanks for wanting to coordinate on where files are stored.

Troy


On January 1, 2021 1:07:16 PM MST, Tobias Klein  wrote:
Hi Troy!

Happy new year!

Where does Bishop store the SWORD data files on Android? I was browsing the 
filesystem but could not find the respective directory.


I am asking because I am working on Android support for 
node-sword-interface and I wanted to align this and use a common place for 
the SWORD data files. So far I thought /sdcard/sword would be the right place.


Best regards,
Tobias

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Re: [sword-devel] Where does Bishop store SWORD files on Android?

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Yes, that's exactly right. Upon install, Bishop asks for permissions to read 
and right files to /sdcard/sword/. If it is able, it does, if not, it writes to 
its app’s private data area.

I don't believe there is anything like this available on iOS, but I am no 
expert. I would be interested to learn how iOS handles other common data files 
which have multiple apps needing the ability to read and write, like photos.

Thanks for wanting to coordinate on where files are stored.

Troy

On January 1, 2021 1:07:16 PM MST, Tobias Klein  wrote:
>Hi Troy!
>
>Happy new year!
>
>Where does Bishop store the SWORD data files on Android? I was browsing
>the 
>filesystem but could not find the respective directory.
>
>I am asking because I am working on Android support for 
>node-sword-interface and I wanted to align this and use a common place
>for 
>the SWORD data files. So far I thought /sdcard/sword would be the right
>place.
>
>Best regards,
>Tobias

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[sword-devel] Where does Bishop store SWORD files on Android?

[Tobias Klein]

Hi Troy!

Happy new year!

Where does Bishop store the SWORD data files on Android? I was browsing the 
filesystem but could not find the respective directory.


I am asking because I am working on Android support for 
node-sword-interface and I wanted to align this and use a common place for 
the SWORD data files. So far I thought /sdcard/sword would be the right place.


Best regards,
Tobias
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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop 1.7.0 released.

[Mill J]

In this day and age, people have very little patience, so a quick well
thought out video will certainly do the most good.

Openshot and ffDiaporama are my goto for howto videos. Both are available
in the Mint repos and are very different to use but work very well when
used together.

As a developer I can tell you that although the developer knows the
application inside out, he sees it from a completely different perspective
compared to a end user. As a result I've found it easier to work with end
users to create content since they see the app only at from the surface.
That's why user editable wiki's are so popular.

God bless

mill-j

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 10:36 AM jhphx  wrote:

> Good point Tom,
>
> Other than the individuals who created some of the apps here there are
> probably few people who can do a thorough job of explaining every
> feature in an app. So, help files of whatever type are probably going to
> have to be basic in what they provide. Things like regex searching,
> variations on Strong's number system and other language features
> probably wouldn't get much coverage. If the past is any indication there
> wouldn't be many volunteers to do documentation at detailed levels and
> no one wants to sit through a long wordy video just to get started.
>
> So, quick tour videos would be quick and simple. Possibly so simple that
> one would not have to get very wordy. Just the pointing to a tool and
> showing what it changes on a screen, even without words may be enough to
> get many started. We not only have the problem of the deaf but also
> people who don't speak the language in the video. So at the heart of
> doing a video would be the showing not the telling.
>
> A video with no sound and various blank places for text but without text
> could be produced. Various voice overs in different languages could be
> done and using blue screen and text insertions tools text for different
> languages could be used to add text latter. The people in the videos
> would just be voices. No faces or hands. In the case of Bishop even the
> phone screen shots could be something added by blue screen so shots in
> other languages can easily be done.
>
> I have not done video editing in years but If someone can suggest a good
> free video app I can create a prototype proof of concept. I have both
> Windows and Linux Mint to use and Gimp in both for still shots.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> On 1/1/2021 1:50 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> > Y'all:
> >
> > With regard to the video idea, it is necessary for me to think
> > carefully as I write to avoid being uncharitable. You see, videos cut
> > off the deaf from learning. There has been software that I never
> > learned to fully use because there was no documentation other than
> > watching a bunch of stuff jumping around with no explanation of what
> > was what and why.
> >
> > So if you make videos, please put everything that is spoken in text on
> > the screen or implement closed-caption.
> >
> > Also, some of us live in remote areas and have limited bandwidth.
> > Printed documentation does have its advantages. Thank God Moses and
> > Paul lived before electronics existed.
> >
> > This is a general comment. What you do with Bishop does not apply to
> > me because I only use a Linux computer. So the above remarks are for
> > the sake of other deaf users, not me. But it still hits a tender nerve.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tom Sullivan
> >
> > Tom Sullivan
> > i...@beforgiven.info
> > FAX: 815-301-2835
> > -
> >
> >
> > On 12/31/20 11:21 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> >> Hi Jerry,
> >>
> >> I love your idea about getting started videos. The Capuchinos did a
> >> couple nice videos for their rebranded Bishop app.
> >>
> >>
> https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/6d888fb1-3e50-4bbb-8c46-850e433a6fe4
> >> <
> https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/6d888fb1-3e50-4bbb-8c46-850e433a6fe4>
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/2fe0bad4-d3e0-439f-81c6-89c4a3289bc6
> >> <
> https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/2fe0bad4-d3e0-439f-81c6-89c4a3289bc6>
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We could have a CrossWire YouTube channel where we could upload
> >> little "getting started" videos, as you suggest. I think that would
> >> be ideal. Are you offering to make one? ;)
> >>
> >> Troy
> >>
> >> On December 31, 2020 8:48:20 AM MST, jhphx  wrote:
> >>
> >> Happy New Year to you also!
> >>
> >> 1.7.0 looks good so far. Just installed more modules. I like the
> >> Language Assist and footnote displays. It is a good looking app. I
> >> have not tried many features yet.
> >>
> >> What do you think of the idea of setting up "getting started"/help
> >> videos? Basically just tours of the different features. Maybe on
> >> CrossWire even provide quick tours of the different apps. I find
> >> Bishop to be intuitive but sometimes I only see how intuitive it is
> >> after I discover how to do something. Does that make sense? A quick
> >> video 

Re: [sword-devel] Bishop 1.7.0 released.

[Fr Cyrille]

Hi Troy,
I just removed all modules, and uninstall/reinstall Bishop. It's now 
working well.


Le 31/12/2020 à 15:45, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :

Dear Br. Cyrille,

I can confirm Language Assist works for me on Android and Jerry has 
confirmed it works for him on iOS. My guess would be one of the beta 
modules you have installed is causing trouble. Have a look at the 
modules installed with Feature=GreekDef (if you are failing at a New 
Testament verse).


Hope this helps. Please let me know what you find and if there is 
anything we should fix in Bishop.


Happy New Year!

Troy

On December 31, 2020 2:51:45 AM MST, Fr Cyrille 
 wrote:


Hello Troy,
I don't know what happened, but with the new version of bishop I
have nothing displayed when I select the Language Assist.
Any idea?

Br Cyrille

Le 30/12/2020 à 19:21, Fr Cyrille a écrit :

Hi Troy,
This sentence: "You have asked to show Gospel parallels. For this
feature, we need to download a small set of data. Is this OK?" is
still displayed in English not in locale.


Le 27/12/2020 à 08:17, David Haslam a écrit :

The App Store still has iOS/iPadOS app version 1.5.2 of the
SWORD Project and the TestFlight version has expired.

Regards,

David

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Re: [sword-devel] Bishop 1.7.0 released.

[jhphx]

Good point Tom,

Other than the individuals who created some of the apps here there are 
probably few people who can do a thorough job of explaining every 
feature in an app. So, help files of whatever type are probably going to 
have to be basic in what they provide. Things like regex searching, 
variations on Strong's number system and other language features 
probably wouldn't get much coverage. If the past is any indication there 
wouldn't be many volunteers to do documentation at detailed levels and 
no one wants to sit through a long wordy video just to get started.


So, quick tour videos would be quick and simple. Possibly so simple that 
one would not have to get very wordy. Just the pointing to a tool and 
showing what it changes on a screen, even without words may be enough to 
get many started. We not only have the problem of the deaf but also 
people who don't speak the language in the video. So at the heart of 
doing a video would be the showing not the telling.


A video with no sound and various blank places for text but without text 
could be produced. Various voice overs in different languages could be 
done and using blue screen and text insertions tools text for different 
languages could be used to add text latter. The people in the videos 
would just be voices. No faces or hands. In the case of Bishop even the 
phone screen shots could be something added by blue screen so shots in 
other languages can easily be done.


I have not done video editing in years but If someone can suggest a good 
free video app I can create a prototype proof of concept. I have both 
Windows and Linux Mint to use and Gimp in both for still shots.


Jerry



On 1/1/2021 1:50 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:

Y'all:

With regard to the video idea, it is necessary for me to think 
carefully as I write to avoid being uncharitable. You see, videos cut 
off the deaf from learning. There has been software that I never 
learned to fully use because there was no documentation other than 
watching a bunch of stuff jumping around with no explanation of what 
was what and why.


So if you make videos, please put everything that is spoken in text on 
the screen or implement closed-caption.


Also, some of us live in remote areas and have limited bandwidth. 
Printed documentation does have its advantages. Thank God Moses and 
Paul lived before electronics existed.


This is a general comment. What you do with Bishop does not apply to 
me because I only use a Linux computer. So the above remarks are for 
the sake of other deaf users, not me. But it still hits a tender nerve.


Thanks.

Tom Sullivan

Tom Sullivan
i...@beforgiven.info
FAX: 815-301-2835
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On 12/31/20 11:21 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

Hi Jerry,

I love your idea about getting started videos. The Capuchinos did a 
couple nice videos for their rebranded Bishop app.


https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/6d888fb1-3e50-4bbb-8c46-850e433a6fe4 
 



https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/2fe0bad4-d3e0-439f-81c6-89c4a3289bc6 
 




We could have a CrossWire YouTube channel where we could upload 
little "getting started" videos, as you suggest. I think that would 
be ideal. Are you offering to make one? ;)


Troy

On December 31, 2020 8:48:20 AM MST, jhphx  wrote:

    Happy New Year to you also!

    1.7.0 looks good so far. Just installed more modules. I like the
    Language Assist and footnote displays. It is a good looking app. I
    have not tried many features yet.

    What do you think of the idea of setting up "getting started"/help
    videos? Basically just tours of the different features. Maybe on
    CrossWire even provide quick tours of the different apps. I find
    Bishop to be intuitive but sometimes I only see how intuitive it is
    after I discover how to do something. Does that make sense? A quick
    video tour should be easy to make and upload. Space and bandwidth
    would seem to be the main considerations.

    Jerry

    On 12/31/2020 7:40 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

    Thank you, Jerry! Hope you are well. Happy New Year!

    Troy

    On December 31, 2020 7:32:38 AM MST, jhphx  wrote:

    I deleted the old test flight version then download 1.7.0 from
    the Apple App Store. Language Assist seems to work for me.
    IPhone 11 IOS 14.3

    Jerry

    On 12/31/2020 2:51 AM, Fr Cyrille wrote:

    Hello Troy,
    I don't know what happened, but with the new version of
    bishop I have nothing displayed when I select the Language
    Assist.
    Any idea?

    Br Cyrille

    Le 30/12/2020 à 19:21, Fr Cyrille a écrit :

    Hi Troy,
    This sentence: "You have asked to show Gospel parallels. For
    this feature, we need to download a small set of data. Is
    this OK?" is still displayed in English 

Re: [sword-devel] Bishop 1.7.0 released.

[Tom Sullivan]

Y'all:

With regard to the video idea, it is necessary for me to think carefully 
as I write to avoid being uncharitable. You see, videos cut off the deaf 
from learning. There has been software that I never learned to fully use 
because there was no documentation other than watching a bunch of stuff 
jumping around with no explanation of what was what and why.


So if you make videos, please put everything that is spoken in text on 
the screen or implement closed-caption.


Also, some of us live in remote areas and have limited bandwidth. 
Printed documentation does have its advantages. Thank God Moses and Paul 
lived before electronics existed.


This is a general comment. What you do with Bishop does not apply to me 
because I only use a Linux computer. So the above remarks are for the 
sake of other deaf users, not me. But it still hits a tender nerve.


Thanks.

Tom Sullivan

Tom Sullivan
i...@beforgiven.info
FAX: 815-301-2835
-


On 12/31/20 11:21 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

Hi Jerry,

I love your idea about getting started videos. The Capuchinos did a 
couple nice videos for their rebranded Bishop app.


https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/6d888fb1-3e50-4bbb-8c46-850e433a6fe4 



https://videos.b4tech.org/videos/watch/2fe0bad4-d3e0-439f-81c6-89c4a3289bc6 




We could have a CrossWire YouTube channel where we could upload little 
"getting started" videos, as you suggest. I think that would be ideal. 
Are you offering to make one? ;)


Troy

On December 31, 2020 8:48:20 AM MST, jhphx  wrote:

Happy New Year to you also!

1.7.0 looks good so far. Just installed more modules. I like the
Language Assist and footnote displays. It is a good looking app. I
have not tried many features yet.

What do you think of the idea of setting up "getting started"/help
videos? Basically just tours of the different features. Maybe on
CrossWire even provide quick tours of the different apps. I find
Bishop to be intuitive but sometimes I only see how intuitive it is
after I discover how to do something. Does that make sense? A quick
video tour should be easy to make and upload. Space and bandwidth
would seem to be the main considerations.

Jerry

On 12/31/2020 7:40 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

Thank you, Jerry! Hope you are well. Happy New Year!

Troy

On December 31, 2020 7:32:38 AM MST, jhphx  wrote:

I deleted the old test flight version then download 1.7.0 from
the Apple App Store. Language Assist seems to work for me.
IPhone 11 IOS 14.3

Jerry

On 12/31/2020 2:51 AM, Fr Cyrille wrote:

Hello Troy,
I don't know what happened, but with the new version of
bishop I have nothing displayed when I select the Language
Assist.
Any idea?

Br Cyrille

Le 30/12/2020 à 19:21, Fr Cyrille a écrit :

Hi Troy,
This sentence: "You have asked to show Gospel parallels. For
this feature, we need to download a small set of data. Is
this OK?" is still displayed in English not in locale.


Le 27/12/2020 à 08:17, David Haslam a écrit :

The App Store still has iOS/iPadOS app version 1.5.2 of the
SWORD Project and the TestFlight version has expired.

Regards,

David

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