Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words

[Loren Burkholder]

As a side note, Apple has removed such functionality from its devices since 
some years ago: 
https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-discontinues-3d-touch-iphone-11-replaces-with-haptic-touch-2019-9

From: sword-devel  on behalf of Tobias Klein 

Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 2:26:17 PM
To: sword-devel@crosswire.org 
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words


Good idea regarding the pressure-sensitive touch reaction :)

When doing a quick search I found this JavaScript library: 
https://pressurejs.com

I quickly tested it on my Android tablet and it seems to work well! Maybe I'll 
make use of this in the future.

Tobias

On 5/16/21 6:44 PM, Michael H wrote:
Tobias, (all)

I don't do mobile development, so if this is beyond the realm of easy 
implementation... ignore it.

The limitation of android apps in this area has always been lack of pointer... 
which turns into mistaps (mostly caused by fingers 3x th size of the target). 
I'd like to see pressure sensitive touch which would work like the 'hover' 
functionality in Bibletime... a light touch would pop out a box with essential 
part of the definition, and a more firm touch then opens the full definition 
either in the main window or a sidebar like area. It's not exactly like the 
hover in BT, but touch sensitivity enabled provides a pretty close 
functionality. Again, I know most androids now have pressure sensitivity built 
in... but I don't know if it's easily accessible as just a tap.



On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 10:30 AM Tobias Klein 
mailto:cont...@tklein.info>> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

I am still planning to develop that interlinear functionality that I wrote 
about in February, I have not started yet ... but will soon.

The interlinear visualization used by BibleHub is actually nice! I could 
imagine to do something similar in Ezra Bible App.

I am currently not targeting mobile use with Ezra, but certainly tablets 
(Windows and Android) and the user interface is also touch-based. In the future 
we may see an iPad version as well.

You already find a strongs dictionary functionality in Ezra, similar to what 
other frontends are doing, with the typical mouse-over strongs-word / 
dictionary update. But that only works on the desktop due to the mouseover 
limitation.

Focussing more on being touch-friendly is one of my goals for new functionality 
in Ezra. In fact, for me personally my Android tablet has become the primary 
device for this software ... at least for casual study.

I'd also be curious to see screenshots of your work!

I'll be keeping you posted whenever I have something ready to try. I am 
personally not a Greek/Hebrew expert, but nevertheless I enjoy some tool-based 
original language study. I'd be happy about getting feedback from users like 
you in the future!

Blessings,
Tobias

On 5/15/21 10:23 AM, Jeff Becker wrote:

Tobias (et al),



I’ve been developing and using (for my own personal edification) a Greek/Hebrew 
reader that responds to touch/click with English translation, Strong’s numbers 
(with links) and a parsing code (gender, number, case, person, etc.)



I’ve decided to either find something that meets my growing needs or make it. 
But to do so requires data.  The current version is based upon a reformatting 
of a free interlinear using C#, JavaScript, HTML5 and T-SQL (MSSQL).



If you’re working on one I’d like to discuss joining our efforts if our goals 
are compatible.  Otherwise, I’m looking at the possibility of using the 
resources available through the SWORD project as a basis for my efforts.



My goals are (in no particular order):

-  An easy to use phone, tablet and desktop app (already in current 
version)

-  Touch/click responses by displaying various information 
(lexicography, parsing) (already in current version)

-  Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical order, 
Daniel Wallace’s One Year reading plan, chronological based on writing (already 
in current version)

-  Stored bookmarks (client and server storage shared across individual 
user’s computers) (already in current version)

-  Derived words in common language such as transliterations as a 
memory reinforcement tactic (eg. ‘geo’ – ‘graphy’);

-  Ability to substitute other languages for English translations / 
transliterations;



I can’t post a link here because I haven’t received permission or reuse the 
source material (BibleHub’s Greek-English and Hebrew-English Interlinear).  I 
am currently the only person using it.  I’ve done so to avoid any ethical or 
legal infringement on the source material.



If you or anyone else reading this are interested in working together I’d be 
happy to share my relevant code and experience.



Jeff Becker



From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of 
Tobias Klein
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:44 AM
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
Subject: 

Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words

[Tobias Klein]

Good idea regarding the pressure-sensitive touch reaction :)

When doing a quick search I found this JavaScript library: 
https://pressurejs.com


I quickly tested it on my Android tablet and it seems to work well! 
Maybe I'll make use of this in the future.


Tobias

On 5/16/21 6:44 PM, Michael H wrote:

Tobias, (all)

I don't do mobile development, so if this is beyond the realm of easy 
implementation... ignore it.


The limitation of android apps in this area has always been lack of 
pointer... which turns into mistaps (mostly caused by fingers 3x th 
size of the target). I'd like to see pressure sensitive touch which 
would work like the 'hover' functionality in Bibletime... a light 
touch would pop out a box with essential part of the definition, and a 
more firm touch then opens the full definition either in the main 
window or a sidebar like area. It's not exactly like the hover in BT, 
but touch sensitivity enabled provides a pretty close functionality. 
Again, I know most androids now have pressure sensitivity built in... 
but I don't know if it's easily accessible as just a tap.




On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 10:30 AM Tobias Klein > wrote:


Hi Jeff,

I am still planning to develop that interlinear functionality that
I wrote about in February, I have not started yet ... but will soon.

The interlinear visualization used by BibleHub is actually nice! I
could imagine to do something similar in Ezra Bible App.

I am currently not targeting mobile use with Ezra, but certainly
tablets (Windows and Android) and the user interface is also
touch-based. In the future we may see an iPad version as well.

You already find a strongs dictionary functionality in Ezra,
similar to what other frontends are doing, with the typical
mouse-over strongs-word / dictionary update. But that only works
on the desktop due to the mouseover limitation.

Focussing more on being touch-friendly is one of my goals for new
functionality in Ezra. In fact, for me personally my Android
tablet has become the primary device for this software ... at
least for casual study.

I'd also be curious to see screenshots of your work!

I'll be keeping you posted whenever I have something ready to try.
I am personally not a Greek/Hebrew expert, but nevertheless I
enjoy some tool-based original language study. I'd be happy about
getting feedback from users like you in the future!

Blessings,
Tobias

On 5/15/21 10:23 AM, Jeff Becker wrote:


Tobias (et al),

I’ve been developing and using (for my own personal edification)
a Greek/Hebrew reader that responds to touch/click with English
translation, Strong’s numbers (with links) and a parsing code
(gender, number, case, person, etc.)

I’ve decided to either find something that meets my growing needs
or make it. But to do so requires data.  The current version is
based upon a reformatting of a free interlinear using C#,
JavaScript, HTML5 and T-SQL (MSSQL).

If you’re working on one I’d like to discuss joining our efforts
if our goals are compatible.  Otherwise, I’m looking at the
possibility of using the resources available through the SWORD
project as a basis for my efforts.

My goals are (in no particular order):

-An easy to use phone, tablet and desktop app (already in current
version)

-Touch/click responses by displaying various information
(lexicography, parsing) (already in current version)

-Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical order,
Daniel Wallace’s One Year reading plan, chronological based on
writing (already in current version)

-Stored bookmarks (client and server storage shared across
individual user’s computers) (already in current version)

-Derived words in common language such as transliterations as a
memory reinforcement tactic (eg. ‘geo’ – ‘graphy’);

-Ability to substitute other languages for English translations /
transliterations;

I can’t post a link here because I haven’t received permission or
reuse the source material (BibleHub’s Greek-English and
Hebrew-English Interlinear).  I am currently the only person
using it.  I’ve done so to avoid any ethical or legal
infringement on the source material.

If you or anyone else reading this are interested in working
together I’d be happy to share my relevant code and experience.

Jeff Becker

*From:*sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org
] *On Behalf Of *Tobias
Klein
*Sent:* Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:44 AM
*To:* SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
*Subject:* [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or
Hebrew words

Hi,

I am planning an *interlinear view component* for Ezra Project
and as part of that I would like to show English 

Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words

[Michael H]

Tobias, (all)

I don't do mobile development, so if this is beyond the realm of easy
implementation... ignore it.

The limitation of android apps in this area has always been lack of
pointer... which turns into mistaps (mostly caused by fingers 3x th size of
the target). I'd like to see pressure sensitive touch which would work like
the 'hover' functionality in Bibletime... a light touch would pop out a box
with essential part of the definition, and a more firm touch then opens the
full definition either in the main window or a sidebar like area. It's not
exactly like the hover in BT, but touch sensitivity enabled provides a
pretty close functionality. Again, I know most androids now have pressure
sensitivity built in... but I don't know if it's easily accessible as just
a tap.



On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 10:30 AM Tobias Klein  wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> I am still planning to develop that interlinear functionality that I wrote
> about in February, I have not started yet ... but will soon.
>
> The interlinear visualization used by BibleHub is actually nice! I could
> imagine to do something similar in Ezra Bible App.
>
> I am currently not targeting mobile use with Ezra, but certainly tablets
> (Windows and Android) and the user interface is also touch-based. In the
> future we may see an iPad version as well.
>
> You already find a strongs dictionary functionality in Ezra, similar to
> what other frontends are doing, with the typical mouse-over strongs-word /
> dictionary update. But that only works on the desktop due to the mouseover
> limitation.
>
> Focussing more on being touch-friendly is one of my goals for new
> functionality in Ezra. In fact, for me personally my Android tablet has
> become the primary device for this software ... at least for casual study.
>
> I'd also be curious to see screenshots of your work!
>
> I'll be keeping you posted whenever I have something ready to try. I am
> personally not a Greek/Hebrew expert, but nevertheless I enjoy some
> tool-based original language study. I'd be happy about getting feedback
> from users like you in the future!
>
> Blessings,
> Tobias
> On 5/15/21 10:23 AM, Jeff Becker wrote:
>
> Tobias (et al),
>
>
>
> I’ve been developing and using (for my own personal edification) a
> Greek/Hebrew reader that responds to touch/click with English translation,
> Strong’s numbers (with links) and a parsing code (gender, number, case,
> person, etc.)
>
>
>
> I’ve decided to either find something that meets my growing needs or make
> it. But to do so requires data.  The current version is based upon a
> reformatting of a free interlinear using C#, JavaScript, HTML5 and T-SQL
> (MSSQL).
>
>
>
> If you’re working on one I’d like to discuss joining our efforts if our
> goals are compatible.  Otherwise, I’m looking at the possibility of using
> the resources available through the SWORD project as a basis for my efforts.
>
>
>
> My goals are (in no particular order):
>
> -  An easy to use phone, tablet and desktop app (already in
> current version)
>
> -  Touch/click responses by displaying various information
> (lexicography, parsing) (already in current version)
>
> -  Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical
> order, Daniel Wallace’s One Year reading plan, chronological based on
> writing (already in current version)
>
> -  Stored bookmarks (client and server storage shared across
> individual user’s computers) (already in current version)
>
> -  Derived words in common language such as transliterations as a
> memory reinforcement tactic (eg. ‘geo’ – ‘graphy’);
>
> -  Ability to substitute other languages for English translations
> / transliterations;
>
>
>
> I can’t post a link here because I haven’t received permission or reuse
> the source material (BibleHub’s Greek-English and Hebrew-English
> Interlinear).  I am currently the only person using it.  I’ve done so to
> avoid any ethical or legal infringement on the source material.
>
>
>
> If you or anyone else reading this are interested in working together I’d
> be happy to share my relevant code and experience.
>
>
>
> Jeff Becker
>
>
>
> *From:* sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tobias Klein
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:44 AM
> *To:* SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
> *Subject:* [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am planning an *interlinear view component* for Ezra Project and as
> part of that I would like to show English transliterations of Greek or
> Hebrew words.
>
>
>
> I found these JavaScript/TypeScript based packages, which could be useful:
> https://github.com/charlesLoder/greek-transliteration
>
> https://github.com/charlesLoder/hebrew-transliteration
>
>
>
> Do you know of any other solutions out there?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
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Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words

[Tobias Klein]

Hi Jeff,

I am still planning to develop that interlinear functionality that I 
wrote about in February, I have not started yet ... but will soon.


The interlinear visualization used by BibleHub is actually nice! I could 
imagine to do something similar in Ezra Bible App.


I am currently not targeting mobile use with Ezra, but certainly tablets 
(Windows and Android) and the user interface is also touch-based. In the 
future we may see an iPad version as well.


You already find a strongs dictionary functionality in Ezra, similar to 
what other frontends are doing, with the typical mouse-over strongs-word 
/ dictionary update. But that only works on the desktop due to the 
mouseover limitation.


Focussing more on being touch-friendly is one of my goals for new 
functionality in Ezra. In fact, for me personally my Android tablet has 
become the primary device for this software ... at least for casual study.


I'd also be curious to see screenshots of your work!

I'll be keeping you posted whenever I have something ready to try. I am 
personally not a Greek/Hebrew expert, but nevertheless I enjoy some 
tool-based original language study. I'd be happy about getting feedback 
from users like you in the future!


Blessings,
Tobias

On 5/15/21 10:23 AM, Jeff Becker wrote:


Tobias (et al),

I’ve been developing and using (for my own personal edification) a 
Greek/Hebrew reader that responds to touch/click with English 
translation, Strong’s numbers (with links) and a parsing code (gender, 
number, case, person, etc.)


I’ve decided to either find something that meets my growing needs or 
make it. But to do so requires data.  The current version is based 
upon a reformatting of a free interlinear using C#, JavaScript, HTML5 
and T-SQL (MSSQL).


If you’re working on one I’d like to discuss joining our efforts if 
our goals are compatible.  Otherwise, I’m looking at the possibility 
of using the resources available through the SWORD project as a basis 
for my efforts.


My goals are (in no particular order):

-An easy to use phone, tablet and desktop app (already in current version)

-Touch/click responses by displaying various information 
(lexicography, parsing) (already in current version)


-Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical order, 
Daniel Wallace’s One Year reading plan, chronological based on writing 
(already in current version)


-Stored bookmarks (client and server storage shared across individual 
user’s computers) (already in current version)


-Derived words in common language such as transliterations as a memory 
reinforcement tactic (eg. ‘geo’ – ‘graphy’);


-Ability to substitute other languages for English translations / 
transliterations;


I can’t post a link here because I haven’t received permission or 
reuse the source material (BibleHub’s Greek-English and Hebrew-English 
Interlinear).  I am currently the only person using it. I’ve done so 
to avoid any ethical or legal infringement on the source material.


If you or anyone else reading this are interested in working together 
I’d be happy to share my relevant code and experience.


Jeff Becker

*From:*sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] *On 
Behalf Of *Tobias Klein

*Sent:* Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:44 AM
*To:* SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
*Subject:* [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words

Hi,

I am planning an *interlinear view component* for Ezra Project and as 
part of that I would like to show English transliterations of Greek or 
Hebrew words.


I found these JavaScript/TypeScript based packages, which could be useful:
https://github.com/charlesLoder/greek-transliteration 



https://github.com/charlesLoder/hebrew-transliteration 



Do you know of any other solutions out there?

Best regards,
Tobias


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