Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-09-26 Thread DM Smith 
David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this happened and 
whether the problem is bigger than this. 

— DM Smith

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Troy,
> 
> I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free 
> time. 
> 
> We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the good 
> work from 2.5 through 2.9
> 
> If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which is 
> still in preparation and has been for several years. 
> 
> I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to 
> today. 
> 
> Happy Easter!
> 
> David
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts  wrote:
>> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of 
>> our KJV 2.4 and 2.5. 
>> 
>> 2.4 reads correctly.  2.5 has this problem.  Unfortunately we have 
>> uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these 
>> versions.
>> 
>> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>> 
>> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could possibly 
>> change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how this could 
>> happen, what other problems this might have introduced in revision 2.5?
>> 
>> Troy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules (which 
>>> was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm that Romans 
>>> 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>>> 
>>> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any 
>>> speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and how 
>>> that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>>> 
>>> Troy
>>> 
>>> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara  wrote:
 
 Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
 the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
 the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
 
 https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm  also shows that the word would be
 ὄνος
 
 Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
 number G3688 is ὄνος:
 
 an
 ass’s
 
 (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
 
 Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
 number 3588.
 
 I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
 module:
 
 * Mat 26:11
 * Mat 26:12
 * Mat 26:45
 * Mat 26:69
 * Mat 27:46
 * Mark 1:9
 * Mark 5:30
 * Mark 13:20
 * Luke 2:38
 * Luke 8.46
 * Luke 14:21
 * Luke 16:9
 * II Corinthians 1:8
 * II Corinthians 1:9
 * II Corinthians 8:14
 * Revelation of John 11:4
 * Revelation of John 14:7
 
 
 Blessings.
 
 El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
> Good morning in the Lord
> 
> 
> For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
> 
>  morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time
> 
> that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
> 
> However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
> αιματι:
>  morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood
> 
> And for example at
> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
> I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
> interchangeable
> with τῷ.
> 
> Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
> stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
> 
> Blessings
 
 
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Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-21 Thread DM Smith 
Troy,

Again, thank you for the emergency fix.

My apologies for the error. It’s my bad.

It has taken some effort to find when and how it happened.

The problem was introduced Feb 2013 by my hand edit to merge empty  tags 
having G3588 with the appropriate  having the following position.

Example: Matthew 26:11
Before: Jan 30, 2013
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

After: Feb 3, 2013
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Troy,
>> 
>> I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free 
>> time. 
>> 
>> We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the 
>> good work from 2.5 through 2.9
>> 
>> If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which 
>> is still in preparation and has been for several years. 
>> 
>> I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to 
>> today. 
>> 
>> Happy Easter!
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts > > wrote:
>>> 
>>> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of 
>>> our KJV 2.4 and 2.5. 
>>> 
>>> 2.4 reads correctly.  2.5 has this problem.  Unfortunately we have 
>>> uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these 
>>> versions.
>>> 
>>> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could possibly 
>>> change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how this could 
>>> happen, what other problems this might have introduced in revision 2.5?
>>> 
>>> Troy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
 This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules 
 (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm 
 that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
 
 DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any 
 speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and how 
 that might be the cause of other corruptions?
 
 Troy
 
 On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara  
  wrote:
 Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
 the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
  
 
 the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
 
 https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm   
 also shows that the word would be
 ὄνος
 
 Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
 number G3688 is ὄνος:
 
 an
 ass’s
 
 (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
 
 Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
 number 3588.
 
 I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
 module:
 
 * Mat 26:11
 * Mat 26:12
 * Mat 26:45
 * Mat 26:69
 * Mat 27:46
 * Mark 1:9
 * Mark 5:30
 * Mark 13:20
 * Luke 2:38
 * Luke 8.46
 * Luke 14:21
 * Luke 16:9
 * II Corinthians 1:8
 * II Corinthians 1:9
 * II Corinthians 8:14
 * Revelation of John 11:4
 * Revelation of John 14:7
 
 
 Blessings.
 
 El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
 Good morning in the Lord
 
 
 For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
 
 >>> morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time
 
 that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
 
 However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
 αιματι:
 >>> morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood
 
 And for example at
 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
  
 
 I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
 interchangeable
 with τῷ.
 
 Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
 stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
 
 Blessings
 
 
 
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Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-04 Thread David Haslam 
Dear Troy,

Urgent!

Please see my separate email just sent to you with cc to DM & Dom.

Regards,

David

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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 03:41, Troy A. Griffitts  wrote:

> I've just pushed an update (2.10) of our KJV module with the only change 
> between 2.9 and the new 2.10 being a manual check and correction of all 
> Strong's 3688 numbers.
>
> Vladimir, thank you so much for reporting this problem. DM and David are 
> investigating further and will make any additional corrections.
>
> DM and David, we all so appreciate the work you've done to take the KJV2003 
> community effort marking up the KJV text with Strong's numbers, to what our 
> KJV module is today-- work often unnoticed which millions of people use each 
> day. Thank you.
>
> Happy Easter! Praise the Lord for willingly offering the propitiation by His 
> blood! In Him,
>
> Troy
>
> On 4/3/21 6:06 PM, DM Smith wrote:
>
>> The history of the module is listed in the wiki: 
>> https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV#Module_Versions. That listing isn’t 
>> meant to be cryptic but rather complete. The version history in the conf is 
>> not as complete. We can make it more complete/in sync.
>>
>> The version 2.6 has the problem. In that version we added the Greek words as 
>> found in the TR, using the version by Maurice Robinson, which can now be 
>> found at https://sites.google.com/a/wmail.fi/greeknt/home/greeknt.
>>
>> I still have the TR download and the scripts from that change. So with some 
>> effort David and I can figure it out.
>>
>> DM
>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:31 PM, DM Smith  wrote:
>>>
>>> David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this happened 
>>> and whether the problem is bigger than this.
>>>
>>> — DM Smith
>>>
 On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam  wrote:

 Hi Troy,

 I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free 
 time.

 We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the 
 good work from 2.5 through 2.9

 If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which 
 is still in preparation and has been for several years.

 I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend 
 to today.

 Happy Easter!

 David

 Sent from ProtonMail for iOS

 On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts  
 wrote:

> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of 
> our KJV 2.4 and 2.5.
>
> 2.4 reads correctly. 2.5 has this problem. Unfortunately we have 
> uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these 
> versions.
>
> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>
> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could 
> possibly change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how 
> this could happen, what other problems this might have introduced in 
> revision 2.5?
>
> Troy
>
> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>
>> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules 
>> (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm 
>> that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>>
>> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any 
>> speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and 
>> how that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>>
>> Troy
>>
>> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara 
>> [](mailto:vtam...@pasosdejesus.org) wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
>>> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
>>> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>>> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm
>>> also shows that the word would be
>>> ὄνος
>>>
>>> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
>>> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>>>
>>> an
>>> ass’s
>>>
>>> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>>>
>>> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
>>> number 3588.
>>>
>>> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
>>> module:
>>>
>>> * Mat 26:11
>>> * Mat 26:12
>>> * Mat 26:45
>>> * Mat 26:69
>>> * Mat 27:46
>>> * Mark 1:9
>>> * Mark 5:30
>>> * Mark 13:20
>>> * Luke 2:38
>>> * Luke 8.46
>>> * Luke 14:21
>>> * Luke 16:9
>>> * II Corinthians 1:8
>>> * II Corinthians 1:9
>>> * II Corinthians 8:14
>>> * Revelation of John 11:4
>>> * Revelation of John 14:7
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
>>> El 2021-04-03 06:34,

Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-03 Thread Troy A. Griffitts 
I've just pushed an update (2.10) of our KJV module with the only change
between 2.9 and the new 2.10 being a manual check and correction of all
Strong's 3688 numbers.

Vladimir, thank you so much for reporting this problem.  DM and David
are investigating further and will make any additional corrections.

DM and David, we all so appreciate the work you've done to take the
KJV2003 community effort marking up the KJV text with Strong's numbers,
to what our KJV module is today-- work often unnoticed which millions of
people use each day.  Thank you.

Happy Easter!  Praise the Lord for willingly offering the propitiation
by His blood!  In Him,

Troy


On 4/3/21 6:06 PM, DM Smith wrote:
> The history of the module is listed in the
> wiki: https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV#Module_Versions
> . That
> listing isn’t meant to be cryptic but rather complete. The version
> history in the conf is not as complete. We can make it more
> complete/in sync.
>
> The version 2.6 has the problem. In that version we added the Greek
> words as found in the TR, using the version by Maurice Robinson, which
> can now be found
> at https://sites.google.com/a/wmail.fi/greeknt/home/greeknt
> .
>
> I still have the TR download and the scripts from that change. So with
> some effort David and I can figure it out.
>
> DM
>
>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:31 PM, DM Smith > > wrote:
>>
>> David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this
>> happened and whether the problem is bigger than this. 
>>
>> — DM Smith
>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Troy,
>>>
>>> I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough
>>> free time. 
>>>
>>> We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all
>>> the good work from 2.5 through 2.9
>>>
>>> If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10
>>> which is still in preparation and has been for several years. 
>>>
>>> I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to
>>> attend to today. 
>>>
>>> Happy Easter!
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts
>>> mailto:scr...@crosswire.org>> wrote:

 A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between
 versions of our KJV 2.4 and 2.5.

 2.4 reads correctly.  2.5 has this problem.  Unfortunately we have
 uninformative information in our History .conf entries between
 these versions.

 I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.

 Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could
 possibly change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover
 how this could happen, what other problems this might have
 introduced in revision 2.5?

 Troy


 On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR
> modules (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I
> can confirm that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does
> not.
>
> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any
> speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text
> and how that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>
> Troy
>
> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara
>  wrote:
>
> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
> 
> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
>  
> 
> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>
> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm 
>   also shows that the word would be
> ὄνος
>
> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>
>  src="13">an
> ass’s
>
> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>
> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
> number 3588.
>
> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
> module:
>
> * Mat 26:11
> * Mat 26:12
> * Mat 26:45
> * Mat 26:69
> * Mat 27:46
> * Mark 1:9
> * Mark 5:30
> * Mark 13:20
> * Luke 2:38
> * Luke 8.46
> * Luke 14:21
> * Luke 16:9
> * II Corinthians 1:8
> * II Corinthians 1:9
> * II Corinthians 8:14
> * Revelation of John 11:4
> *

Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-03 Thread David Haslam 
Hi Troy,

I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free time.

We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the good 
work from 2.5 through 2.9

If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which is 
still in preparation and has been for several years.

I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to 
today.

Happy Easter!

David

Sent from ProtonMail for iOS

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts  wrote:

> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of our 
> KJV 2.4 and 2.5.
>
> 2.4 reads correctly. 2.5 has this problem. Unfortunately we have 
> uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these versions.
>
> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>
> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could possibly 
> change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how this could 
> happen, what other problems this might have introduced in revision 2.5?
>
> Troy
>
> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>
>> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules (which 
>> was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm that Romans 
>> 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>>
>> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any speculation 
>> on how an error like this could have entered the text and how that might be 
>> the cause of other corruptions?
>>
>> Troy
>>
>> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara 
>> [](mailto:vtam...@pasosdejesus.org) wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
>>> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
>>> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>>> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm
>>> also shows that the word would be
>>> ὄνος
>>>
>>> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
>>> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>>>
>>> an
>>> ass’s
>>>
>>> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>>>
>>> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
>>> number 3588.
>>>
>>> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
>>> module:
>>>
>>> * Mat 26:11
>>> * Mat 26:12
>>> * Mat 26:45
>>> * Mat 26:69
>>> * Mat 27:46
>>> * Mark 1:9
>>> * Mark 5:30
>>> * Mark 13:20
>>> * Luke 2:38
>>> * Luke 8.46
>>> * Luke 14:21
>>> * Luke 16:9
>>> * II Corinthians 1:8
>>> * II Corinthians 1:9
>>> * II Corinthians 8:14
>>> * Revelation of John 11:4
>>> * Revelation of John 14:7
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
>>> El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
>>>
 Good morning in the Lord

 For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:

 >>> morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time

 that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688

 However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
 αιματι:
 >>> morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood

 And for example at
 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
 I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
 interchangeable
 with τῷ.

 Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
 stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.

 Blessings
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
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Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-03 Thread DM Smith 
The history of the module is listed in the wiki: 
https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV#Module_Versions 
. That listing isn’t 
meant to be cryptic but rather complete. The version history in the conf is not 
as complete. We can make it more complete/in sync.

The version 2.6 has the problem. In that version we added the Greek words as 
found in the TR, using the version by Maurice Robinson, which can now be found 
at https://sites.google.com/a/wmail.fi/greeknt/home/greeknt 
.

I still have the TR download and the scripts from that change. So with some 
effort David and I can figure it out.

DM

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:31 PM, DM Smith  wrote:
> 
> David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this happened 
> and whether the problem is bigger than this. 
> 
> — DM Smith
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Troy,
>> 
>> I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free 
>> time. 
>> 
>> We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the 
>> good work from 2.5 through 2.9
>> 
>> If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which 
>> is still in preparation and has been for several years. 
>> 
>> I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to 
>> today. 
>> 
>> Happy Easter!
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts > > wrote:
>>> 
>>> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of 
>>> our KJV 2.4 and 2.5. 
>>> 
>>> 2.4 reads correctly.  2.5 has this problem.  Unfortunately we have 
>>> uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these 
>>> versions.
>>> 
>>> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could possibly 
>>> change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how this could 
>>> happen, what other problems this might have introduced in revision 2.5?
>>> 
>>> Troy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
 This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules 
 (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm 
 that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
 
 DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any 
 speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and how 
 that might be the cause of other corruptions?
 
 Troy
 
 On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara  
  wrote:
 Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
 the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
  
 
 the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
 
 https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm   
 also shows that the word would be
 ὄνος
 
 Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
 number G3688 is ὄνος:
 
 an
 ass’s
 
 (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
 
 Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
 number 3588.
 
 I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
 module:
 
 * Mat 26:11
 * Mat 26:12
 * Mat 26:45
 * Mat 26:69
 * Mat 27:46
 * Mark 1:9
 * Mark 5:30
 * Mark 13:20
 * Luke 2:38
 * Luke 8.46
 * Luke 14:21
 * Luke 16:9
 * II Corinthians 1:8
 * II Corinthians 1:9
 * II Corinthians 8:14
 * Revelation of John 11:4
 * Revelation of John 14:7
 
 
 Blessings.
 
 El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
 Good morning in the Lord
 
 
 For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
 
 >>> morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time
 
 that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
 
 However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
 αιματι:
 >>> morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood
 
 And for example at
 https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
  
 
 I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
 interchangeable
 with τῷ.
 
 Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
 stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.

Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-03 Thread DM Smith 
David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this happened and 
whether the problem is bigger than this. 

— DM Smith

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam  wrote:
> 
> Hi Troy,
> 
> I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free 
> time. 
> 
> We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the good 
> work from 2.5 through 2.9
> 
> If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which is 
> still in preparation and has been for several years. 
> 
> I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to 
> today. 
> 
> Happy Easter!
> 
> David
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts  > wrote:
>> 
>> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of 
>> our KJV 2.4 and 2.5. 
>> 
>> 2.4 reads correctly.  2.5 has this problem.  Unfortunately we have 
>> uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these 
>> versions.
>> 
>> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>> 
>> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could possibly 
>> change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how this could 
>> happen, what other problems this might have introduced in revision 2.5?
>> 
>> Troy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules (which 
>>> was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm that Romans 
>>> 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>>> 
>>> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any 
>>> speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and how 
>>> that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>>> 
>>> Troy
>>> 
>>> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara  
>>>  wrote:
>>> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
>>> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
>>>  
>>> 
>>> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>>> 
>>> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm   
>>> also shows that the word would be
>>> ὄνος
>>> 
>>> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
>>> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>>> 
>>> an
>>> ass’s
>>> 
>>> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>>> 
>>> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
>>> number 3588.
>>> 
>>> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
>>> module:
>>> 
>>> * Mat 26:11
>>> * Mat 26:12
>>> * Mat 26:45
>>> * Mat 26:69
>>> * Mat 27:46
>>> * Mark 1:9
>>> * Mark 5:30
>>> * Mark 13:20
>>> * Luke 2:38
>>> * Luke 8.46
>>> * Luke 14:21
>>> * Luke 16:9
>>> * II Corinthians 1:8
>>> * II Corinthians 1:9
>>> * II Corinthians 8:14
>>> * Revelation of John 11:4
>>> * Revelation of John 14:7
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Blessings.
>>> 
>>> El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
>>> Good morning in the Lord
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
>>> 
>>> >> morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time
>>> 
>>> that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
>>> 
>>> However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
>>> αιματι:
>>> >> morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood
>>> 
>>> And for example at
>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
>>> interchangeable
>>> with τῷ.
>>> 
>>> Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
>>> stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
>>> 
>>> Blessings
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-03 Thread Troy A. Griffitts 
A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions
of our KJV 2.4 and 2.5.

2.4 reads correctly.  2.5 has this problem.  Unfortunately we have
uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these
versions.

I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.

Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could
possibly change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how
this could happen, what other problems this might have introduced in
revision 2.5?

Troy


On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules
> (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm
> that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>
> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any
> speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and
> how that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>
> Troy
>
> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that 
> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
> 
> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV 
> 
> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>
> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm  
>  also shows that the word would be 
> ὄνος
>
> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong 
> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>
> an 
> ass’s
>
> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>
> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong 
> number 3588.
>
> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV 
> module:
>
> * Mat 26:11
> * Mat 26:12
> * Mat 26:45
> * Mat 26:69
> * Mat 27:46
> * Mark 1:9
> * Mark 5:30
> * Mark 13:20
> * Luke 2:38
> * Luke 8.46
> * Luke 14:21
> * Luke 16:9
> * II Corinthians 1:8
> * II Corinthians 1:9
> * II Corinthians 8:14
> * Revelation of John 11:4
> * Revelation of John 14:7
>
>
> Blessings.
>
> El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
>
> Good morning in the Lord For the module KJV the markup of
> Romans 3:26 is: time that says that word
> number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688 However
> Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
> αιματι: blood And for example at
> 
> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
> 
> 
> I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
> interchangeable with τῷ. Then I think the Markup for the word
> number 12 of Romans 3:26 should stay as τῷ but with Strong
> number 3588. Blessings 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-03 Thread Troy A. Griffitts 
This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules (which was 
the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm that Romans 3:25 
has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.

DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any speculation on 
how an error like this could have entered the text and how that might be the 
cause of other corruptions?

Troy

On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara  wrote:
>
>Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that 
>the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
>https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
>the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>
>https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm  also shows that the word would be 
>ὄνος
>
>Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong 
>number G3688 is ὄνος:
>
>src="13">an 
>ass’s
>
>(so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>
>Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong 
>number 3588.
>
>I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV 
>module:
>
>* Mat 26:11
>* Mat 26:12
>* Mat 26:45
>* Mat 26:69
>* Mat 27:46
>* Mark 1:9
>* Mark 5:30
>* Mark 13:20
>* Luke 2:38
>* Luke 8.46
>* Luke 14:21
>* Luke 16:9
>* II Corinthians 1:8
>* II Corinthians 1:9
>* II Corinthians 8:14
>* Revelation of John 11:4
>* Revelation of John 14:7
>
>
>Blessings.
>
>El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
>> Good morning in the Lord
>> 
>> 
>> For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
>> 
>> > morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time
>> 
>> that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
>> 
>> However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is 
>> αιματι:
>> > morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood
>> 
>> And for example at
>>
>https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
>> I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is 
>> interchangeable
>> with τῷ.
>> 
>> Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
>> stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
>> 
>> Blessings
>
>
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

2021-04-03 Thread vtamara 


Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that 
the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688=KJV
the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).

https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm  also shows that the word would be 
ὄνος


Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong 
number G3688 is ὄνος:


an 
ass’s


(so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).

Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong 
number 3588.


I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV 
module:


* Mat 26:11
* Mat 26:12
* Mat 26:45
* Mat 26:69
* Mat 27:46
* Mark 1:9
* Mark 5:30
* Mark 13:20
* Luke 2:38
* Luke 8.46
* Luke 14:21
* Luke 16:9
* II Corinthians 1:8
* II Corinthians 1:9
* II Corinthians 8:14
* Revelation of John 11:4
* Revelation of John 14:7


Blessings.

El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:

Good morning in the Lord


For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:

time

that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688

However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is 
αιματι:

blood

And for example at
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588=KJV
I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is 
interchangeable

with τῷ.

Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.

Blessings




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