Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:28 AM, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: Hi, After removing /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-cgroups-agent, all seems to work OK. cgroups-agent is now fixed in -git: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/0a069ce62de904ae9cbaf23d026ac380b02e50e4 I also fixed kdbus, but haven't pushed it out, yet. It will be included in the next merge. Thanks David ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi, After removing /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-cgroups-agent, all seems to work OK. Thank you for your help! Best Regards, Li Cheng At 2015-06-17 18:16:06, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: Hi, With my kdbus broadcast patch, I found that the systemd process would endlessly emit the signal type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released .What does this signal mean ? I searched the source codes, and found that systemd-cgroups-agent would send this signal. But from the log, systemd-cgroups-agent only send this signal several times , not endlessly. And I cannot locate the place where systemd send such signal. Following are the logs: 27[3.633361@3] systemd-cgroups-agent[196]: Lch-sd_bus_emit_signal org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent Released 27[3.633660@2] systemd-cgroups-agent[216]: Lch-sd_bus_emit_signal org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent Released 6[3.633989@2] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x14, pid = 216, pid name = systemd-cgroups, tid = 216, tid name = systemd-cgroups 30[3.634008@2] systemd-cgroups-agent[216]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cooki e=1 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a 30[3.648452@0] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cookie =0 error=n/a 6[3.650378@0] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p9): re-mounted. Opts: (null) 6[3.652074@3] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x12, pid = 196, pid name = systemd-cgroups, tid = 196, tid name = systemd-cgroups 30[3.652220@3] systemd-cgroups-agent[196]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cooki e=1 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a 6[3.652284@3] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[3.653329@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 30[3.654166@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.20 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 6[3.654642@3] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[3.654784@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.20 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cook ie=0 error=n/a 30[3.654958@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.18 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a ... 6[ 809.109334@1] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[ 809.109397@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 30[ 809.109481@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cookie =0 error=n/a 6[ 809.109726@1] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[ 809.109789@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 30[ 809.109872@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cookie =0 error=n/a Thanks! Li Cheng At 2015-06-17 14:11:11, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: Hi, I'm so sorry for not giving you more details, I'm a freshman here, but I'll try to do better in the future. I will give the answers under each of the questions . At 2015-06-16 18:54:23, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:07 PM, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: At 2015-06-16 15:54:10, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be more specific, please? What do you mean by network module of our systemd cannot work OK? Does this only happen with kdbus? Yes. It's OK with DBus. Does this only happen with you kdbus-patch to make broadcasts being sent to oneself? Yes.
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi, I'm so sorry for not giving you more details, I'm a freshman here, but I'll try to do better in the future. I will give the answers under each of the questions . At 2015-06-16 18:54:23, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:07 PM, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: At 2015-06-16 15:54:10, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be more specific, please? What do you mean by network module of our systemd cannot work OK? Does this only happen with kdbus? Yes. It's OK with DBus. Does this only happen with you kdbus-patch to make broadcasts being sent to oneself? Yes. Without modifying kdbus_bus_broadcast(), I can always get the ip. Or does it happen with unmodified kdbus, too? Never. What exactly changes? I just commented out the following two lines in the kdbus_bus_broadc // if (conn_dst-id == kmsg-msg.src_id) //continue; Does everything work perfectly well without kdbus? As for network, it did work well without my patch. Is the missing DHCP connectivity the only difference you see with kdbus? Acctually, I cannot connet to the device by adb. But I did run netcfg in the terminal, and eth0 didn't get ip as before. What kdbus version do you run? kdbus-4.1-rc1 What kdbus tree do you use? https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/char-misc.git/ What systemd version do you use? (in case of git: which commit?) systemd v219 commit: d736e4f3e76daca4ab1b1fc444737e5ee20a27cd Did you pass --enable-kdbus to systemd? Yes , I did. What upstream kernel version do you use? 3.10.33, we back-ported the kdbus to our kernel. Any obscure messages in the system-log that you didn't see before? From dmesg , I can see that the systemd process calls kdbus_bus_broadcast() endlessly, and the condition if (conn_dst-id == kmsg-msg.src_id) is always true. It seems that when booting, the systemd process enters a dead loop by sending some signal to the source connection. So , systemd cannot boot any service , including network. Thanks! Li Cheng ... Please try to paste as much information as possible. Otherwise, it's really a hassle to ask for each piece of information separately. Thanks David ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi, With my kdbus broadcast patch, I found that the systemd process would endlessly emit the signal type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released .What does this signal mean ? I searched the source codes, and found that systemd-cgroups-agent would send this signal. But from the log, systemd-cgroups-agent only send this signal several times , not endlessly. And I cannot locate the place where systemd send such signal. Following are the logs: 27[3.633361@3] systemd-cgroups-agent[196]: Lch-sd_bus_emit_signal org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent Released 27[3.633660@2] systemd-cgroups-agent[216]: Lch-sd_bus_emit_signal org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent Released 6[3.633989@2] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x14, pid = 216, pid name = systemd-cgroups, tid = 216, tid name = systemd-cgroups 30[3.634008@2] systemd-cgroups-agent[216]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cooki e=1 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a 30[3.648452@0] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cookie =0 error=n/a 6[3.650378@0] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p9): re-mounted. Opts: (null) 6[3.652074@3] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x12, pid = 196, pid name = systemd-cgroups, tid = 196, tid name = systemd-cgroups 30[3.652220@3] systemd-cgroups-agent[196]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=n/a destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cooki e=1 reply_cookie=0 error=n/a 6[3.652284@3] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[3.653329@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 30[3.654166@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.20 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 6[3.654642@3] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[3.654784@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.20 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cook ie=0 error=n/a 30[3.654958@3] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.18 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a ... 6[ 809.109334@1] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[ 809.109397@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 30[ 809.109481@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cookie =0 error=n/a 6[ 809.109726@1] Lch-kdbus_bus_broadcast: conn_dst-id = 0x2, pid = 1, pid name = systemd, tid = 1, tid name = systemd 30[ 809.109789@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Sent message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cooki e=0 error=n/a 30[ 809.109872@1] systemd[1]: Lch-Got message type=signal sender=:1.2 destination=n/a object=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/agent interface=org.freedesktop.systemd1.Agent member=Released cookie=1 reply_cookie =0 error=n/a Thanks! Li Cheng At 2015-06-17 14:11:11, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: Hi, I'm so sorry for not giving you more details, I'm a freshman here, but I'll try to do better in the future. I will give the answers under each of the questions . At 2015-06-16 18:54:23, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:07 PM, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: At 2015-06-16 15:54:10, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be more specific, please? What do you mean by network module of our systemd cannot work OK? Does this only happen with kdbus? Yes. It's OK with DBus. Does this only happen with you kdbus-patch to make broadcasts being sent to oneself? Yes. Without modifying kdbus_bus_broadcast(), I can always get the ip. Or does it happen with unmodified kdbus, too? Never. What exactly changes? I just commented out the following two lines in the
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi, At 2015-06-15 22:32:27, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Mon, 15.06.15 19:05, eshark (eshar...@163.com) wrote: Hi, All, If I post this email to the wrong mail-list, please tell me, thank you. Now many JS applications implement the client and service in the same thread, so they share the same connection too. However when the client or the service want to send signal to the other, the receiver cannot get the signal because the kdbus driver won't broadcast the signal to the source connection. I've tried to simply allow the kdbus driver to send signal to all the connections including the source , but it seems not work OK. I wonder that how I can make kdbus send signal to the source connection, or that this is impossible ? I am not dure I follow. Are you developing a native kdbus client library for JS? Yes, we already have a library based on DBus, and I'm migrating it to KDBus. Did I get this right, you have one bus connection per thread, but possibly both a kdbus client and its service run from the server, and you want broadcast msgs sent out from one to then also be matchable by the other? Yes. And I've tried removing the condition in kdbus_bus_broadcast(), as David said. But this modification caused that the network module of our system cannot work OK, it's very strange , and I'm not familiar with the network module, so I haven't find the root cause. Maybe it has nothing to do with KDBus? I am not sure. Can't you dispatch that locally? i.e. in addition to passing the msg to kdbus also enqueue it locallly along the kdbus fd, or so? But I am not sure I understand the problem fully... Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:35 AM, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: Hi, At 2015-06-15 22:32:27, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Mon, 15.06.15 19:05, eshark (eshar...@163.com) wrote: Hi, All, If I post this email to the wrong mail-list, please tell me, thank you. Now many JS applications implement the client and service in the same thread, so they share the same connection too. However when the client or the service want to send signal to the other, the receiver cannot get the signal because the kdbus driver won't broadcast the signal to the source connection. I've tried to simply allow the kdbus driver to send signal to all the connections including the source , but it seems not work OK. I wonder that how I can make kdbus send signal to the source connection, or that this is impossible ? I am not dure I follow. Are you developing a native kdbus client library for JS? Yes, we already have a library based on DBus, and I'm migrating it to KDBus. Did I get this right, you have one bus connection per thread, but possibly both a kdbus client and its service run from the server, and you want broadcast msgs sent out from one to then also be matchable by the other? Yes. And I've tried removing the condition in kdbus_bus_broadcast(), as David said. But this modification caused that the network module of our system cannot work OK, it's very strange , and I'm not familiar with the network module, so I haven't find the root cause. Maybe it has nothing to do with KDBus? I am not sure. Can you be more specific, please? What do you mean by network module of our systemd cannot work OK? Thanks David ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:07 PM, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: At 2015-06-16 15:54:10, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be more specific, please? What do you mean by network module of our systemd cannot work OK? Sorry. Acctually our network module cannot get ip by DHCP. Our network module is connman, which depends on libdbus.And the connman will connect to KDBus through the bus-proxyd, which is implemented in the libsystemd. Can you please be more specific! Does this only happen with kdbus? Does this only happen with you kdbus-patch to make broadcasts being sent to oneself? Or does it happen with unmodified kdbus, too? What exactly changes? Does everything work perfectly well without kdbus? Is the missing DHCP connectivity the only difference you see with kdbus? What kdbus version do you run? What kdbus tree do you use? What systemd version do you use? (in case of git: which commit?) Did you pass --enable-kdbus to systemd? What upstream kernel version do you use? Any obscure messages in the system-log that you didn't see before? ... Please try to paste as much information as possible. Otherwise, it's really a hassle to ask for each piece of information separately. Thanks David ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi, At 2015-06-16 15:54:10, David Herrmann dh.herrm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:35 AM, eshark eshar...@163.com wrote: Hi, At 2015-06-15 22:32:27, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Mon, 15.06.15 19:05, eshark (eshar...@163.com) wrote: Hi, All, If I post this email to the wrong mail-list, please tell me, thank you. Now many JS applications implement the client and service in the same thread, so they share the same connection too. However when the client or the service want to send signal to the other, the receiver cannot get the signal because the kdbus driver won't broadcast the signal to the source connection. I've tried to simply allow the kdbus driver to send signal to all the connections including the source , but it seems not work OK. I wonder that how I can make kdbus send signal to the source connection, or that this is impossible ? I am not dure I follow. Are you developing a native kdbus client library for JS? Yes, we already have a library based on DBus, and I'm migrating it to KDBus. Did I get this right, you have one bus connection per thread, but possibly both a kdbus client and its service run from the server, and you want broadcast msgs sent out from one to then also be matchable by the other? Yes. And I've tried removing the condition in kdbus_bus_broadcast(), as David said. But this modification caused that the network module of our system cannot work OK, it's very strange , and I'm not familiar with the network module, so I haven't find the root cause. Maybe it has nothing to do with KDBus? I am not sure. Can you be more specific, please? What do you mean by network module of our systemd cannot work OK? Sorry. Acctually our network module cannot get ip by DHCP. Our network module is connman, which depends on libdbus.And the connman will connect to KDBus through the bus-proxyd, which is implemented in the libsystemd. I have not traced into connman , so I'm not very clear about the root cause. Thanks ! Li Cheng Thanks David ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
[systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi, All, If I post this email to the wrong mail-list, please tell me, thank you. Now many JS applications implement the client and service in the same thread, so they share the same connection too. However when the client or the service want to send signal to the other, the receiver cannot get the signal because the kdbus driver won't broadcast the signal to the source connection. I've tried to simply allow the kdbus driver to send signal to all the connections including the source , but it seems not work OK. I wonder that how I can make kdbus send signal to the source connection, or that this is impossible ? Thanks a lot ! Best Regards, Li Cheng ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
Hi On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Simon McVittie simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk wrote: On 15/06/15 15:32, Lennart Poettering wrote: Did I get this right, you have one bus connection per thread, but possibly both a kdbus client and its service run from the server, and you want broadcast msgs sent out from one to then also be matchable by the other? If this is indeed what eshark means, then talking to yourself like this is something that always used to work with traditional D-Bus (as long as you make sure to never block waiting for a reply!), so it's a regression if it doesn't work with kdbus. In traditional D-Bus, broadcasts go to any connection that has registered its interest in the broadcast via AddMatch. dbus-daemon does not discriminate between the sender of a message, and other connections - in particular, it will send a copy of a broadcast back to its sender, if that's what the sender asked for. Various projects' regression tests work like this: they run the client-side and service-side code in the same GLib main loop and do everything asynchronously, and it works. Ideally, the only processes involved are the test and the dbus-daemon (and under kdbus the dbus-daemon would not be needed either). Didn't know traditional DBus allows this. The kdbus fix should be as simple as removing the condition in kdbus_bus_broadcast(). Dead-lock detection for src==dst is already in place, as we allow unicasts to oneself. I'll look into this. Thanks David ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
On Mon, 15.06.15 19:05, eshark (eshar...@163.com) wrote: Hi, All, If I post this email to the wrong mail-list, please tell me, thank you. Now many JS applications implement the client and service in the same thread, so they share the same connection too. However when the client or the service want to send signal to the other, the receiver cannot get the signal because the kdbus driver won't broadcast the signal to the source connection. I've tried to simply allow the kdbus driver to send signal to all the connections including the source , but it seems not work OK. I wonder that how I can make kdbus send signal to the source connection, or that this is impossible ? I am not dure I follow. Are you developing a native kdbus client library for JS? Did I get this right, you have one bus connection per thread, but possibly both a kdbus client and its service run from the server, and you want broadcast msgs sent out from one to then also be matchable by the other? Can't you dispatch that locally? i.e. in addition to passing the msg to kdbus also enqueue it locallly along the kdbus fd, or so? But I am not sure I understand the problem fully... Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Can kdbus send signal to the source connection?
On 15/06/15 15:32, Lennart Poettering wrote: Did I get this right, you have one bus connection per thread, but possibly both a kdbus client and its service run from the server, and you want broadcast msgs sent out from one to then also be matchable by the other? If this is indeed what eshark means, then talking to yourself like this is something that always used to work with traditional D-Bus (as long as you make sure to never block waiting for a reply!), so it's a regression if it doesn't work with kdbus. In traditional D-Bus, broadcasts go to any connection that has registered its interest in the broadcast via AddMatch. dbus-daemon does not discriminate between the sender of a message, and other connections - in particular, it will send a copy of a broadcast back to its sender, if that's what the sender asked for. Various projects' regression tests work like this: they run the client-side and service-side code in the same GLib main loop and do everything asynchronously, and it works. Ideally, the only processes involved are the test and the dbus-daemon (and under kdbus the dbus-daemon would not be needed either). Can't you dispatch that locally? i.e. in addition to passing the msg to kdbus also enqueue it locallly along the kdbus fd, or so? That would mean re-ordering the broadcast messages (taking them out of their correct sequence relative to other messages), which is one of the reasons why traditional D-Bus implementations don't optimize messages to yourself in this way. One of dbus-daemon's roles is to impose a total ordering on messages - it's the component that makes the arbitrary decision on how the individual message streams get interleaved. -- Simon McVittie Collabora Ltd. http://www.collabora.com/ ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel