Re: [systemd-devel] service runs - but it's not really there
On 29/01/2021 13:02, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.01.21 um 13:55 schrieb lejeczek: ● user@0.service - User Manager for UID 0 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/user@.service; static; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2021-01-28 17:13:01 GMT; 2h 34min ago Main PID: 854314 (systemd) Status: "Startup finished in 44ms." Tasks: 35 Memory: 69.3M CGroup: /user.slice/user-0.slice/user@0.service ├─init.scope │ ├─854314 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --user │ └─854319 (sd-pam) └─syncthing.service exists and gets auto started by "systemd" without any asking really. This is really very bad, no? What am I missing here? systemd at the very least will spawn your per-user dbus daemon, which is needs to be available for many programs to function. Even others require systemd themselves. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin I think I found it, in my opinion a very cheeky bastard - syncthing - who does this: [Install] WantedBy=default.target which results in: -> $ llr /etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants/ total 0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 39 Jan 26 10:39 syncthing.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/user/syncthing.service So those of you on RHEL and derivatives (I assume that same rpm goes to all those) - suffices to install "syncthing" an you have your "roor" does as above and if you are not aware then the "root" does that with you not even knowing. As a matter of sharing opinions - is that a good & healthy practice to make & distribute packages like that? what is your problem? it's an ordinary user session and not some mystery of "root does as above" RTFM https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/u...@.service.html instead talking about "very cheeky bastard - syncthin" I doubt I can explain or express it any better, If you do not get it it's fine. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] service runs - but it's not really there
On 28/01/2021 21:32, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Do, 28.01.21 20:06, lejeczek (pelj...@yahoo.co.uk) wrote: Hi guys This absolutely boggled my mind, my brain exploded, but go easy on me as I ain't an expert. I have, meaning the "root" but other users too, _NO_ "~/.config/systemd" - thus, how I understand it, no service definitions which are user-made, yet this.. ● user@0.service - User Manager for UID 0 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/user@.service; static; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2021-01-28 17:13:01 GMT; 2h 34min ago Main PID: 854314 (systemd) Status: "Startup finished in 44ms." Tasks: 35 Memory: 69.3M CGroup: /user.slice/user-0.slice/user@0.service ├─init.scope │ ├─854314 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --user │ └─854319 (sd-pam) └─syncthing.service exists and gets auto started by "systemd" without any asking really. This is really very bad, no? What am I missing here? systemd at the very least will spawn your per-user dbus daemon, which is needs to be available for many programs to function. Even others require systemd themselves. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin I think I found it, in my opinion a very cheeky bastard - syncthing - who does this: [Install] WantedBy=default.target which results in: -> $ llr /etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants/ total 0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 39 Jan 26 10:39 syncthing.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/user/syncthing.service So those of you on RHEL and derivatives (I assume that same rpm goes to all those) - suffices to install "syncthing" an you have your "roor" does as above and if you are not aware then the "root" does that with you not even knowing. As a matter of sharing opinions - is that a good & healthy practice to make & distribute packages like that? many thanks, L. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] service runs - but it's not really there
Am 29.01.21 um 16:27 schrieb lejeczek: I think I found it, in my opinion a very cheeky bastard - syncthing - who does this: [Install] WantedBy=default.target which results in: -> $ llr /etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants/ total 0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 39 Jan 26 10:39 syncthing.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/user/syncthing.service So those of you on RHEL and derivatives (I assume that same rpm goes to all those) - suffices to install "syncthing" an you have your "roor" does as above and if you are not aware then the "root" does that with you not even knowing. As a matter of sharing opinions - is that a good & healthy practice to make & distribute packages like that? what is your problem? it's an ordinary user session and not some mystery of "root does as above" RTFM https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/u...@.service.html instead talking about "very cheeky bastard - syncthin" I doubt I can explain or express it any better, If you do not get it it's fine there is nothing to explain - you found something you don't understand and see a not existing issue either read manuals or ignore it - but move on ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] service runs - but it's not really there
Am 29.01.21 um 13:55 schrieb lejeczek: ● user@0.service - User Manager for UID 0 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/user@.service; static; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2021-01-28 17:13:01 GMT; 2h 34min ago Main PID: 854314 (systemd) Status: "Startup finished in 44ms." Tasks: 35 Memory: 69.3M CGroup: /user.slice/user-0.slice/user@0.service ├─init.scope │ ├─854314 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --user │ └─854319 (sd-pam) └─syncthing.service exists and gets auto started by "systemd" without any asking really. This is really very bad, no? What am I missing here? systemd at the very least will spawn your per-user dbus daemon, which is needs to be available for many programs to function. Even others require systemd themselves. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin I think I found it, in my opinion a very cheeky bastard - syncthing - who does this: [Install] WantedBy=default.target which results in: -> $ llr /etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants/ total 0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 39 Jan 26 10:39 syncthing.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/user/syncthing.service So those of you on RHEL and derivatives (I assume that same rpm goes to all those) - suffices to install "syncthing" an you have your "roor" does as above and if you are not aware then the "root" does that with you not even knowing. As a matter of sharing opinions - is that a good & healthy practice to make & distribute packages like that? what is your problem? it's an ordinary user session and not some mystery of "root does as above" RTFM https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/u...@.service.html instead talking about "very cheeky bastard - syncthin" ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
[systemd-devel] service runs - but it's not really there
Hi guys This absolutely boggled my mind, my brain exploded, but go easy on me as I ain't an expert. I have, meaning the "root" but other users too, _NO_ "~/.config/systemd" - thus, how I understand it, no service definitions which are user-made, yet this.. ● user@0.service - User Manager for UID 0 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/user@.service; static; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2021-01-28 17:13:01 GMT; 2h 34min ago Main PID: 854314 (systemd) Status: "Startup finished in 44ms." Tasks: 35 Memory: 69.3M CGroup: /user.slice/user-0.slice/user@0.service ├─init.scope │ ├─854314 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --user │ └─854319 (sd-pam) └─syncthing.service exists and gets auto started by "systemd" without any asking really. This is really very bad, no? What am I missing here? many thanks, L. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] service runs - but it's not really there
On Do, 28.01.21 20:06, lejeczek (pelj...@yahoo.co.uk) wrote: > Hi guys > > This absolutely boggled my mind, my brain exploded, but go easy on me as I > ain't an expert. > I have, meaning the "root" but other users too, _NO_ "~/.config/systemd" - > thus, how I understand it, no service definitions which are user-made, yet > this.. > > ● user@0.service - User Manager for UID 0 > Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/user@.service; static; vendor > preset: disabled) > Active: active (running) since Thu 2021-01-28 17:13:01 GMT; 2h 34min ago > Main PID: 854314 (systemd) > Status: "Startup finished in 44ms." > Tasks: 35 > Memory: 69.3M > CGroup: /user.slice/user-0.slice/user@0.service > ├─init.scope > │ ├─854314 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --user > │ └─854319 (sd-pam) > └─syncthing.service > > exists and gets auto started by "systemd" without any asking really. > This is really very bad, no? > What am I missing here? systemd at the very least will spawn your per-user dbus daemon, which is needs to be available for many programs to function. Even others require systemd themselves. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
