t-and-f: The University of Health Sciences World Race Walking Cup Results
Official Results of the University of Health Sciences World Race Walking Cup Trials: USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS WOMEN'S JUNIOR DIVISION 10K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST 10KPACE = === = == == = 1 Megan Huzzey* F BC 50:23 8:07 2 Maria MichtaF NY 50:46 8:11 3 Katy Hayes F WI 50:47 8:11 4 Erica Adams F SC 51:01 8:13 5 Jasmine Brooks F WI 53:43 8:39 6 Jennifer Reekie F MO 54:37 8:48 7 Susan Potthast F WI 55:31 8:57 8 Dana Vered F NJ 55:48 8:59 9 Carly Rose Lochala F ME 56:30 9:06 10 Tina Peters F OH 57:14 9:13 11 Kate Dickenson F ME 57:26 9:15 USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS MEN'S JUNIOR DIVISION 10K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST10K PACE = === = === == 1 Zachary Pollinger M NJ45:52 7:30 2 Pierre-Luc Menard* M Quebec,CN 48:14 7:53 3 Troy Clark M ME48:25 7:55 4 Joe Trapani M NY48:43 7:58 5 Dominic ByrdM TX 1:08:12 11:09 Andy Peters M OHDNF Christopher DiazM TXDQ USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS WOMEN'S SENIOR DIVISION 20K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST 20K PACE = === = == === = 1 Joanne Dow F NH 1:34:44 7:38 2 Teresa VaillF FL 1:36:49 7:48 3 Michelle Rohl F PA 1:37:37 7:52 4 Jolene MooreF IL 1:39:56 8:03 5 Sam Cohen F WI 1:42:35 8:16 6 Susan Armenta F CA 1:44:39 8:26 7 Deborah Huberty F WI 1:45:17 8:29 8 Margaret Ditchburn F CA 1:46:37 8:36 9 Carolyn Kealty F FL 1:47:11 8:38 10 Marina Crivello*F Que. 1:48:45 8:46 11 Ali BahrF WI 1:49:40 8:50 12 Christine Tagliafer F NY 1:50:14 8:53 13 Janna MillerF AK 1:51:55 9:01 14 Amanda Bergeron F WI 1:53:43 9:10 15 Heidi Hauch F AZ 1:55:46 9:20 16 Lee Chase F CT 2:04:19 10:01 17 Julie Anaselme-Sout F ID 2:11:33 10:36 Michelle BarnettF GA DNS Bobbi Chapman F WV DNS Lisa Sontag F FL DNF Amber Antonia F WI DNF Loretta Schuellein F NY DNF Gayle Johnson F MO DQ Nicolle Goldman F CA DQ USATF WORLD CUP RACE WALKING TRIALS MEN'S SENIOR DIVISION 20K ROAD RACE APRIL 4, 2004OVERLAND PARK, KS PLACE NAMES ST 20K PACE = === = === === 1 Tim Seaman M CA 1:26:09 6:57 2 Curt Claussen M CA 1:27:30 7:03 3 Kevin Eastler M CO 1:28:42 7:09 4 Erik Tysse* M Norway 1:28:54 7:10 5 John Nunn M CA 1:29:39 7:14 6 Phillip DunnM CA 1:30:41 7:19 7 Benjamin Shorey M ME 1:33:43 7:33 8 Matt Boyles M OH 1:33:59 7:35 9 Mike Tarantino M WI 1:35:14 7:41 10 Michael T. Stanton M WI 1:36:03 7:45 11 Mark Green M NV 1:37:28 7:51 12 Stephen Quirke M WI 1:38:44 7:57 13 Dave DohertyM CA 1:40:46 8:07 14 Bill Vayo M NY 1:42:29 8:16 15 Adam Staier M ME 1:50:06 8:52 16 Gary Morgan M MI 1:53:37 9:09 17 Dave Crabb M NV 2:00:37 9:43 Nicholas Bdera M NY DNS Dave McGovern M AL DNF Edward Parrot M CA DNF Alberto Medina M TX DQ * Foreign Guest Competitor -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: World Race Walking Cup Trials Information Entry Form
Information and an entry form for the USA World Race Walking Cup Trials is available at http://www.computomarx.com/WorldCupTr.htm Check back often as information is added and updated. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Former Tennessee track athlete dies at 35
Unfortunately, I saw that happen. I hope I never see anything remotely like it again. I was about 200 meters away when it happened and looking right at him. The hammer was heading straight for him and it seemed to hang in the air forever. People were screaming their head off for him to get out of the way, but for some reason he didn't hear them. Please folks, never turn your back to a throwing area. My sympathy to the family. Matthew Starr wrote: Former Tennessee track athlete dies at 35 .c The Associated Press KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A former University of Tennessee track athlete who won a million-dollar suit against the school for a head injury suffered at a meet in 1987 died Wednesday. Scott Hartman, 35, never regained complete consciousness and died after a period of deteriorating health, his mother, Kay Hartman, told The Knoxville News Sentinel on Wednesday night. ``Scott fought a hard battle,'' Kay Hartman said. ``The doctors told me the day he was injured they didn't know if he'd live through the first night.'' Hartman was a 19-year-old freshman when he was hit in the head by a 16-pound steel field hammer, which is a ball attached to a wire, during warmups at a track and field meet at the University of Kentucky in Lexington. He was treated at a rehabilitation center after his injury and eventually returned home to his mother's house, where he lived the past 14 years. At the Kentucky meet, Hartman was walking away from the throwing pit outside the foul line during warmups when he was hit in the back of the head by a practice throw from another athlete. The University of Tennessee, Hartman's parents and BellSouth wrangled in court for years. BellSouth, where Hartman's father worked and had health insurance that covered his son, was seeking reimbursement from UT for the cost of Hartman's care. The case between the family and UT was settled in 1998, but the claims by BellSouth were not resolved. A state appeals court in April upheld a ruling by the Tennessee Claims Commission that BellSouth was owed more than $1 million by UT for unpaid medical bills. The court said UT agreed to furnish medical treatment for any injuries incurred during athletic competition when it gave Hartman an athletic scholarship. The funeral is tentatively scheduled for Saturday. 11/13/03 01:46 EST Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes
Do you have a name? If so, use it. tafnut wrote: Are you a doctor? Let the medical experts decide. Open your mind a bit: if the experts say they will be competing on a equal footing, then we should trust they have the best of the Olympic movement in mind which means that everyone should have the opportunity to compete. -Original Message- From: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 15, 2003 7:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes This is absolutely absurd, terminal political correctness. A male to female (so-called) transsexual, even after undergoing hormone therapy, will still have much higher strength indexes than women. Can the IOC cram this down the throat of the IAAF? Stella Franci wrote: Dear Track Field, Stella Franci wants you to know about a story on http://www.smh.com.au. The online edition of The Sydney Morning Herald brings you updated local and world news, sports results, entertainment news and reviews and the latest technology information. Click here to sign up for early morning news alerts from The Sydney Morning Herald newsroom. http://www.smh.com.au/newsletters/subscription.html Personal Message: Games opened to transsexual athletes November 15, 2003 URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/14/1068674387895.html -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Results of Steroid Testing Spur Baseball to Set Tougher Rules
Wow! Baseball is really getting serious about drug use. Imagine, a one year suspension for only the fifth violation! This meaningless exercise in public deception should be exposed for the hypocrisy it is at every opportunity. Are you listing, Craig? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beginning next season, the first time a player tests positive he will receive treatment and education about the substance that was abused and be subject to further testing. A second positive will result in the player's being identified publicly and include a 15-day suspension or up to a $10,000 fine. The penalties escalate to a one-year suspension or up to a $100,000 fine for the fifth positive test. Suspensions will be without pay. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: running at resonance
Perhaps some of the notation has been lost due to the limitations of email, but I stopped trying to understand the abstract when I saw the frequency of pendulum oscillations given as fp = const (g/L), instead of the correct const x SQRT(g/L). Joel Gruver wrote: Hello folks, Just ran into this article while searching for something completely different... thought it may be of interest to a few of you. Joel *** Walking and running at resonance Author(s): B.K. Ahlborn ; R.W. Blake Source: Zoology Volume: 105 Number: 2 Page: 165 -- 174 DOI: 10.1078/0944-2006-00057 Publisher: Urban Fischer Abstract: Humans and other animals can temporarily store mechanical energy in elastic oscillations, fel, of body parts and in pendulum oscillations, fp = const (g/L), of legs, length L, or other appendages, and thereby reduce the energy consumption of locomotion. However, energy saving only occurs if these oscillations are tuned to the leg propagation frequency f. It has long been known that f is tuned to the pendulum frequency of the free-swinging leg of walkers. During running the leg frequency increases to some new value f = fr. We propose that in order to maintain resonance the animal, mass M, actively increases its leg pendulum frequency to the new value fp,r =const (ay/L)=fr, by giving its hips a vertical acceleration ay= Fy/M. The pendulum frequency is increased if the impact force Fy of the stance foot is larger than Mg, explaining the observation by Alexander and Bennet-Clark (1976) that Fv becomes larger than Mg when animals start to run. Our model predictions of the running velocity Ur as function of L, Fv, are in agreement with measurements of these quantities (Farley et al. 1993). The leg's longitudinal elastic oscillation frequency scales as fel = const (k/M). Experiments by Ferris et al., (1998) show that runners adjust their leg's stiffness, k, when running on surfaces of different elasticity so that the total stiffness k remains constant. Our analysis of their data suggests that the longitudinal oscillations of the stance leg are indeed kept in tune with the running frequency. Therefore we conclude that humans, and by extension all animals, maintain resonance during running. Our model also predicts the Froude number of walking-running transitions, Fr = U2/gL 0.5 in good agreement with measurements. Joel Gruver Dept of Soil Science NC State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Olympic Payout
It seems to me that the issue in not whether the men's and women's LDR Committees have the right to set disparate standards for the Marathon Trials. Of course they do. I don't think the men care what standard Women's LDR picks. They can pick an A of 4 hrs. if they like. What is unfair is that the Chicago Marathon pays the same for much weaker women's standards. It is as if the organizers of the meet either don't realize or don't care that the standards are disparate, but have just blindly gone along with the two LDR committees as if the standards were equivalent. edndana wrote: You quote my previous posting which says you failed to answer my question, BUT YOU STILL DODGE IT. So let me try again (hope springs eternal that I can get an answer). If women were the victims of the disparity in Trails qualifyiing and winning money, and as a result you were going to the Trials and winning Chicago Marathon awards while women marathoners who were better than you were not, can you serioiusly say you would defend such discrimination as fair? You actually never asked ME that specific question about fairness in any posts before the post I cited where you claimed that I failed to answer it. Instead you said something like wouldn't people or the athletes would be up in arms? And I DID answer the question, evenb though you didn't ask the specific question of me. I said that if the women's LDR committee - based on athlete surveys of all current athletes of trials caliber - chose to make the standard say 2:40 and the men based on athlete surveys made it 2:30, I most assuredly would believe it was fair and I would ridicule those who claimed that it should be changed despite the athletes' wishes. Now, I can respect your difference of opinion about what the men running between 2:22 and 2:30 think. You are correct that the only way to find out is to ask them, and I do not know if that has been done. I agree that perhaps it should be. I do know that some of them have been in attendance at USATF meetings where the issue has been discussed and have not felt that it was unfair. The votes at these meetings (at least for the last two trials) tend to be at least 80% in favor of the tighter standards. It's pretty much a few coaches and the occasional athlete who vote to loosen the standards. I figure I know somewhere between 10 and 20 guys who have run in that range in the past five years well enough to know what they think of the issue and not one of them feels strongly that the current setup is unfair. Some feel that they would be fine either way and some specifically do not want it changed because it would make qualifying less meaningful - even if it means they will never qualify. The bottom line is that many of these athletes LIKE the fact that the standad is harder. This is because they know that it means more with the harder standard, and 2:25-2:30 marathoners do not tend to think that they somehow deserve to make the trials just because the women have a bit easier standard. They certainly don't tend to think of themselves as elite athletes, although many of them are supremely motivated to take it to the next level. We've heard from - I think - 3 guys in that time range on this list (not counting me, who doesn't quite fit the profile) who agreed with my thoughts on what these athletes think. One would think that if you were correct about how they feel, we would have heard from some who disagree with you, although maybe there aren't many on the list. - Ed Parrot From: edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: edndana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Olympic Payout Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:02:58 -0500 BUT you failed to answer my question about fairness at least as to what you would say if women were the victims of the disparity instead of men. If you were going to the Trials and winning money, and women who were better than you (i.e.proportionally closer to the world and Amerixcan records) were not similary rewarded, can you seriously say you would defend such discrimination as fair? Geoff Actually, am I wrong, or is there more money at the men's trials this time around? If not, hasn't there been a time or two where that has been the case? Another function of two different committees, two different races. - Ed Parrot _ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always
t-and-f: Roommate Wanted for Annual Meeting
Netters, I have reserved a room with two double beds for the USATF Annual Meeting (assuming USATF still exists then :-) ) for four nights, arriving Dec. 3 and departing Dec. 7 at the host hotel, the Sheraton Greensboro at Four Seasons. The rate is $115 per night plus tax. Does anyone need a room and want to share? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Zero Tolerance, Slaney, and the Hall of Fame
I wonder if there will be a rethinking concerning Slaney as a candidate for the Hall of Fame in light of the zero tolerance policy recently announced by USATF. If Slaney is elected to the HoF by the voters, as I expect her to be considering the sophistication of the voters, what will USATF do then? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive
Chambers is trained by Remi Korchemny, a septuagenarian Ukrainian emigré who once coached the 1972 Olympic 100m and 200m champion Valery Borzov and who now runs the KMA Track Club with Victor Conte. US officials knew nothing about it until they received an anonymous tip-off from a 'high-profile' athletics coach who sent them a syringe containing traces of the steroid that is injected under the tongue. Hmm, it seems the high profile coach is a rival of Remi Korchemny. I wonder who it could be. Anyone willing to hazard a guess? Martin J. Dixon wrote: Dwain Chambers, the fastest man in Europe and one of Britain's main hopes for an Olympic gold medal next year, has tested positive for a new banned designer... http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1068204,00.html -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: USATF announces Zero Tolerance anti-doping plan
all IAAF member countries to conduct out-of-competition testing. The IAAF has said that fewer than 30 countries conduct random, unannounced, out-of-competition testing. With more than 40 IAAF countries winning medals (and more than half of the top medal-winning countries doing no out-of-competition testing), we cannot allow our athletes to be subject to a stringent anti-doping regime while their international competitors face no domestic testing at all. We must also propose as a matter of urgency that the IAAF increase the penalties for doping convictions. ?? Focus on international and domestic relationship building. USATF has been ineffective at developing and implementing both an international relations plan and a plan for pushing its agenda at the USOC. Fundamental to the push for an effective, worldwide anti-doping plan will be initiating and strengthening political ties at both the IAAF and USOC. ?? Work with other NGBs to share ideas and best practices and look for ways to improve our mutual anti-doping efforts. Seven other NGBs have had athletes sanctioned for doping violations in 2003 including USA Swimming (5) and USA Cycling (4). Sharing experiences and expertise with those large and well-organized NGBs can help us attack the doping problem more effectively. ?? Publish negative test results. More than 99% of the tests administered to U.S. track athletes did NOT result in positive lab results in 2002. The only way to protect the vast majority of athletes who are innocent is to publish their names and the statistics related to their negative tests. This information is already partially available on the USADA website (the USADA site does not include IAAF and WADA test results), but we should look to publicize this information as well. ?? Utilize our website and other communications tools to emphasize our zero tolerance message. CONCLUSIONS We have a historic opportunity and mandate to take significant action to address an issue of great importance to our sport and America. We must take dramatic action to put this program into place immediately so that it can be effective prior to the Olympics. But, our commitment to it must be long term, with a goal of rebuilding our credibility in this area so that by 2008 we will be recognized as a world leader on this issue. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: USATF announces Zero Tolerance anti-doping plan
I can see a problem here. Even clean athletes may have trouble securing the services of a coach if the coach thinks he may be punished if the athlete uses banned drugs. An athlete may use drugs but the coach may be unaware and thus completely innocent. Michael J. Roth wrote: USATF announces Zero Tolerance anti-doping plan 10-22-2003 ?? Punish Coaches of athletes found guilty. USA Track Field will create a program to ban the coaches of athletes who test positive from our sport. In addition, the coaches will be fined up to $100,000, will not be eligible to be the coach of a U.S. Team, and will not be eligible for any USATF benefits. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport
As someone who knows Butch Reynolds fairly well (he helped load the truck when I moved from Ohio to Missouri - maybe he was glad to be rid of me!) I believe it's likely that Butch somehow did get screwed. Never in any of the many conversations I had with him did he waver from his claim of innocence, and I asked him point blank. I still believe in testing, though. malmo wrote: Perhaps Mike, you should brush up on your reading skills. I didn't say anything about Reynolds guilt. I said I wouldn't be so sure. As a matter of fact, here on this list in the past, I've noted the Reynolds passed tests both immediately before and after he got popped. Added to this, his demeaner (unlike Slaney's) was that of an innocent man. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Prizy Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:55 PM To: Conway Hill Cc: Richard McCann; Dan Kaplan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport I believe Butch's case was overturned on appeal in a U.S. court on a jurisdiction ruling, negating his $27 million award. Butch got screwed on poor chain-of-custody procedures (regardless of what King George thinks.) Somebody peed a positive. It just wasn't his. Conway Hill wrote: But it is ok to leave the door open for athletes to be wrongly occused and to lose medals and tears of competition to a poor testing system that has only an inherent moral basis And of course the opportunity for litigation thtat that provides ... Is that correct ?? For example Butch Reynolds and his trip down litigation lane ... Now there was a great example of looking out after our athletes !!! Didn'tb he win ?? Oh wat, he never got paid !! Yeah ... Let's base a system on the potntial nature of litigation !!! That works ... - Original Message - From: Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport The problem with your proposal is that it does open up the use of drugs which MAY be harmful. Given the litigious nature of our society today, I can already see an athlete suing the IAAF for allowing the use of a harmful substance, which in effect required the athlete to use the substance to be competitive. You only need to look at the actions on electromagnetic radiation from cell phones and electric appliances to realize that this could be a very substantial liability. (And there are many more examples--just look at Superfund litigation.) This situation means that we need to err on the side of caution on this issue. Richard McCann -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx (TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosophy difference for the sport
NCAA not lilly white either. http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1207/929862.html P.F.Talbot wrote: The high school kids in the U.S. have been on drugs for a long time: http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1213/945303.html The steroid-use rate is 5-8% of ALL high school boys. I would bet that most of the use is done by athletes so put it over 10%. Probably concentrated in football, but a whole lot of HS footballers compete in track and field. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wes Cook Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:54 AM To: Tom Derderian; lehane; Dan Kaplan Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport H. We're not so naïve as to suggest that the NCAA is drug-free? How about some of the foreign athletes who have matriculated (are matriculating) and their track records without even starting on our citizen participants? Otherwise, what is the purpose for NCAA drug testing. Hopefully to try and deter the athlete, alas, we also know how difficult it is to catch the culprits! It's a filter down system. May I be so bold as to suggest the high schools are even caught up in this whole chase your tail game. We're in a pill-popping, needle-sticking culture and time. Wes Cook, George Fox University -Original Message- From: Tom Derderian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:43 AM To: lehane; Dan Kaplan Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport Drugs are killing the sport and what is driving drugs is money. Are they related? Maybe there is a place for expressed amateur sports? Such is the NCAA. Tom - Original Message - From: lehane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport How 'bout it's killing the sport. Dan Kaplan wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If lots of people decide to rob banks and don't see anything wrong with it, and the police can't keep up, does that mean that bank robbery should be made legal? Robbing banks has a clearly defined ill effect on society. That's yet to be demonstrated very convincingly with regards to performance enhancing drugs. Next. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - Web Design Custom Programming http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: 34.92 deg Sectors
Netters, As many of you already know, the NCAA has adopted the IAAF and USATF 34.92 degree sector for the shot, discus, hammer, (and weight throw). In response to several requests for information on laying out this sector, I have posted a diagram on my web page. If you are interested, go to http://www.computomarx.com/Sector.htm -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx^(TM) 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport
Sorry if I disillusion you, Randy, but there was a lot of doping by U.S. athletes in the 70s. In the 60s too, unfortunately. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the additional factors is professionalism. It may be that one of the influences in the increase in pursuit of chemical training aids is money. The eastern block seemed to lead the way in the 70's when their athletes were professional for all intents and purposes- it was basically 'dope or go home and get a job as a welder because you won't be a member of any state-sponsored athletics club'. Those who chose to remain in the club in pursuit of international fame for the DDR/USSR,etc were handsomely rewarded (compared to fellow citizens) with economic incentives. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Re: Into the Toilet
I'm sure they weren't all on the same day, but Frank Budd and Ray Norton finished last and next to last in the 100 with fast times going in, the men's 4x100 was DQ (zone violation I think), and either Budd or Norton (Budd I think) ran poorly in the 200. Roger Ruth wrote: SGMW wrote, of Monday's results: Not one medal and not many qualifiers. All in all, one of the worst days in the history of American track and field. I'm reminded, but only vaguely, of another day then described as one of the worst in American track and field history. If I have any of it right, it was at the 1960 Rome Olympics and began with world record claimant Bill Alley failing to qualify in the javelin, although the event was won at a distance 12' below Alley's seasonal best and eighth-place was fully 40' short of his prospective world record. I can't remember the other catastrophes of that darkest day. Could someone with a better memory (or a longer bookshelf) remind us of what they were? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Drummond DQ
It's hard to believe that a person could be drawn out by another person and still have a reaction time only 0.034 sec. more than the person supposedly doing the drawing. This would mean that a person could react to a stimulus in approximately 1/3 the accepted minimum reaction time of 0.100 sec. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, the IAAF electronically recorded reaction times show that Drummond went BEFORE Powell, not the other way around. Drummond (USA) with 0.052 sec and Assafa Powell (JAM) 0.086. The accepted reaction time is 0.100 sec. Not that the rule makes any distinction anyway- they were both DQ'd. But even if the rule WERE worded such that the 'first to go is the only one DQ'd' it would appear to have been Drummond who have been given the heave-ho, not Powell! Okay Jon, back in your court. Were the starting blocks sending bad signals too? RT -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Astapkovich
I'm glad I'm not his coach! How can someone 40 years old foul 3 times? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Kenyan Drug Scandel
B. Kunnath wrote: From: Dan Kaplan If you can enlighten me as to how that is no different from the TF drug accusation situation, then I will be quite impressed. snip Likewise in the drug postings. Every time Ive asked someone to come forward and actually put names, dates and locations, theres some major backpedalling. I have yet to see a single person come on here or any other running page and claim point blank that he/she has witnessed or specifically knows of someone doing the dope. Malmo has. He named the Eugene physician that was providing steroids for AW and even admitted to using Winsterol (sp?) himself. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Re: TF Jericho Mile at Athens?
From Outside article: TRACK DOWN PIZZA, located across the street from the University of Oregon at Eugene, is a shrine to track-and-field. Many of the photos covering the walls, of great runners like Steve Prefontaine and Alberto Salazar, were shot at the U of O's Hayward Field, the sport's Yankee Stadium. Gill believes he'll earn a place on the photo wall, but don't count on seeing his face up there. Track Town was the site of the 1997 holdup that sent him to prison. It's Track Town Pizza. I was there myself a little over a week ago. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
t-and-f: Slaney for Hall of Fame?
Netters, Looking at my ballot for Track Field Hall of Fame I see that Mary Decker Slaney is on it. While there is no doubt that she has prima facie credentials for the HoF, the fact that her career ended with a drug suspension makes me wonder why she was even put on the ballot. I might feel different if she had acknowledged her offense and made an apology to the U.S. track and field community for the embarrassment she caused instead of coming up with the lame excuse that she did, that somehow birth control pills caused her testosterone-epitestosterone level to be more than 10 times normal. If she had shown some remorse I could see her being selected for the Hall in 20 years or so. What is her status with the IAAF? She was supposed to return the prize money she won after the 1995(?) World Indoor Championships, but she vowed that she would not. Wouldn't she stay suspended by the IAAF until she did return the money? Under the present set of circumstances I would urge that HoF voters not vote for her. There are plenty of other deserving candidates on the ballot. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: 20-year old teenager
Which is exactly why the IAAF must either require valid birth certificates for all entrants in the World Jr. Championships and World Youth Championships. They can no longer accept the lame excuses offered by some countries as to why this is impossible. These events are a farce otherwise. Post, Marty wrote: From the Taking Kenyans' Birthdates With a Grain of Salt file. The following appeared within the IAAF report on the Paris Golden League meet last Friday: Gebrselassie first moved into the lead at 3000 metres (7:44.62) before letting Benjamin Limo take over the running again with a tightly grouped pack of leaders, including 20 year old Eliud Kipchoge (KEN), ... Kipchoge is the same guy who set a new world junior record of 12:52.61 at the Bislett 5000 meters the week before. He also won this year's World Junior Cross Country championship back in March. Apparently he's now skipped right past 19-years of age, as so far his official birthday has been stated as 05 November 1984. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com A hammer breaks glass, and makes steel
Re: t-and-f: 20-year old teenager
That's just how the cookie crumbles. It's too bad for those who would be excluded because they don't have documentation of their date of birth, but neither is it fair for real Jrs. and Youth to have to complete against people with phony birth dates. I would be surprised if there are not abuses in the up coming IAAF Youth Championships. B. Kunnath wrote: The flip side to that arguement being that there will be many innocent teenagers who happen to be born in outlying rural areas of Africa, who through no fault of their own will be ruled ineligible to compete. Surpising as it may seemt o many people, many births in rural areas are not recorded, and the records or others are mismanaged and end up lost. This is not uncommon even today. Doesnt seem right to punish them. bob Which is exactly why the IAAF must either require valid birth certificates for all entrants in the World Jr. Championships and World Youth Championships. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarxª 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com A hammer breaks glass, and makes steel
